Sorry to have posted something that has clearly become political. I'll say no more about it. Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] Stories of Pennsylvania Animals > In a message dated 1/14/07 9:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Very few wild prey > inhabit the area, and most domestic livestock are well-tended." > There is no record that an AMERICAN wolf has ever killed a human being. > As > you show in the above statement there is no source of food in India so the > Asian wolves are forced to feed on whatever they can catch. Sadly that > includes > humans. People in the USA have passed on their fear of wolves through the > generations, telling horror story after horror story when if they would > try to > understand the animal and give it the respect it deserves perhaps their > understanding would change the fear we all would have if we were to hear > one howling in > the dark. > > Sharks kill humans, should we force it into extinction? Alligators kill > humans, should we force it into extinction? Grizzly bears kill humans, is > there > no place in our world for them? It's not up to us. It's all about proper > management. > > PS. Humans kill humans every day. Perhaps we should force them into > extinction as well. > > Renee > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My appologies to the group. I allowed my emotions get the better of me. Lets get back to genealogy and history please. Renee

In a message dated 1/14/07 9:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Very few wild prey inhabit the area, and most domestic livestock are well-tended." There is no record that an AMERICAN wolf has ever killed a human being. As you show in the above statement there is no source of food in India so the Asian wolves are forced to feed on whatever they can catch. Sadly that includes humans. People in the USA have passed on their fear of wolves through the generations, telling horror story after horror story when if they would try to understand the animal and give it the respect it deserves perhaps their understanding would change the fear we all would have if we were to hear one howling in the dark. Sharks kill humans, should we force it into extinction? Alligators kill humans, should we force it into extinction? Grizzly bears kill humans, is there no place in our world for them? It's not up to us. It's all about proper management. PS. Humans kill humans every day. Perhaps we should force them into extinction as well. Renee

What do you consider an official record? The fact that American wolves have been rare in populated areas in recent history could explain that - the PA Game Commission didn't keep records before its' existence, for example. Wolves in Asia have killed many children - in areas where there were rabies, where there wolves were living in proximity to humans and lost their fear, places where there were no natural predators of wolves. "From March to October 1996, a wolf or wolves allegedly killed or seriously injured 64 children in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh. Dr. Yadvendradev Jhala, a U.S.-trained wolf biologist who studies wolves in his native India, investigated these reports and attempted to determine if any animal other than wolves could have been involved. By examining victims, questioning survivors and witnesses, and checking tracks, hairs and scats, Jhala concluded that a wolf or wolves were involved in the killings. In March and April 1997, another nine or 10 humans apparently fell prey to wolves in the same area. Almost all of the victims were children under age 10 who had been playing or relieving themselves around the outskirts of small villages surrounded by heavy vegetative cover. Very few wild prey inhabit the area, and most domestic livestock are well-tended." In 1996 a 11-year old boy was dragged from his sleeping bag in Algonquin Provinical Park (Ontario) by a wolf - he wasn't killed, he only needed stiches (80 of them). Wolves have been rare in most of the US where humans live, which has pretty much eliminated wolf attacks. If the wolves are reintroduced into the populous eastern US, that will likely change. People didn't kill wolves just for fun, or for the fur. With the current epidemic levels of rabies here in the east, that makes the reintroduction even more dangerous. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] Stories of Pennsylvania Animals > In a message dated 1/14/07 8:20:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Wolves are still gone, Thank Goodness! Our ancestors killed wolves > whenever > they were found not only because they ate our livestock, but also because > they killed our children! > I challenge you to find an official record of a death of a human being due > to > wolf attack. As far as I have been able to see the American wolf has > never > been a direct death of a human, adult or child. That isn't to say they > wouldn't if there was nothing else to eat. Yes they killed livestock but > wouldn't > you if you were hungry? > > Renee > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Regarding wolves in Pennsylvania. There is no evidence in recorded history of a wolf ever killing a human being in all of North America. Too many people are caught up in those childhood stores of "the big bad wolf. Jim (Friend of wolves)

In a message dated 1/14/07 8:20:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Wolves are still gone, Thank Goodness! Our ancestors killed wolves whenever they were found not only because they ate our livestock, but also because they killed our children! I challenge you to find an official record of a death of a human being due to wolf attack. As far as I have been able to see the American wolf has never been a direct death of a human, adult or child. That isn't to say they wouldn't if there was nothing else to eat. Yes they killed livestock but wouldn't you if you were hungry? Renee

Interesting article, Sue! I gather from the various dates mentioned (and not mentioned) that it was written in the early 1900's? For those folks not from PA, not all those critters mentioned as gone from PA actually are: The Fisher was nearly gone, but a government project to repopulate them has been fairly successful. While I haven't personally seen any, they are said to be a growing population in the wild now. Wolves are still gone, Thank Goodness! Our ancestors killed wolves whenever they were found not only because they ate our livestock, but also because they killed our children! There are a number of environmental groups though, those that want to return much of N America to its 'pre-Columbian' state, who are actively working on repopulating wolves in the North East. They've reintroduced wolves, especially in Maine, and word is they are now being found all the way down into New York state. Rural folks could be endangered by these actions! Elk (western elk) were reintroduced by the PA Game commission decades ago in north central PA. They've pretty much established themselves up in far north Centre County and on north of I-80. The state is promoting Elk viewing for tourists up in that area, apparently thinking that will revitalize an economy devastated by the loss of manufacturing. The panther (mountain lion) is widely reported to be extinct north of Florida, yet sightings continue to be reported. In fact, those reports have increased significantly in the last decade or so. When evidence is found, the PA Game Commission attributes it to "escaped zoo animals or pets". The PGC only last fall started tracking reported sightings. They do have a possible financial reason to deny the existence of PA Mountain Lions though - in the 1980's USFW named them threatened, and ordered a search in each state. If they were found a protection plan needed to be made and implemented, if not they were to be declared extinct. PGC did neither - so if hard evidence is found of breeding populations they'll need to do a lot of work to come into compliance with federal law. They already claim to be underfunded, so a new department of mountain lion protection would be costly - and probably unpopular to, as the lions are dangerous. Despite the PGC position, sightings never stopped, and are in fact increasing. The area down by Penn's Valley known as "Black Panther" continues to have sightings of black panthers - my cousins husband has seen them. In the State College area alone, I know 4 people who have seen what they believe are mountain lions. One of those was my daughter, who almost hit one on our lane - she had to brake to not hit it, and there was no mistaking the description. The existence of wild mountain lions continues to be a subject of debate. On the deer - I don't know about the distinction between the "real Pennsylvania deer" and the "Southern Virginia deer", but I do know the dynamics of the deer population have been interesting over the last century. Deer were in serious decline when the state established the licensing/season restrictions decades ago. The strong restrictions on killing doe allowed the population to grow, and as the number of hunters (and time they each spent doing it) declined in conjunction with the demonization of hunting after "Bambi", the population exploded. In the 1990's there were more deer in PA than in the 1890's. The PGC took an interesting approach to the problem (framed as a biodiversity problem), and had huge numbers of doe killed in the last few years. The result is that in the rural, hunting part of the state the deer population dropped dramatically, while in the more urban areas (especially suburbia) where hunting is not permitted the overpopulation problem remains. Wolverines may still be extinct - I am not aware of them being around these days. Beaver have staged a comeback. With all the new stormwater detention ponds (that are expected to hold water for weeks) I expect we'll see even more of them. That's actually where I've seen them a couple times. The state requires highway construction now to include replacement "wetlands", and they are trying to attract beaver to them - but that doesn't seem to be where the beaver go! Maybe the suburban stormwater areas offer closer supplies of food (in people's backyards). Otters did not become extinct - they continue to live in the less-populated areas where the rivers run. The Lynx and Wildcat would seem to be what's commonly known as the bobcat. Those shy creatures too have resurged - so much so that there is a hunting season for them. The PGC '2006 scrapbook' section has pictures of some of those killed this year, and I have to admit to being surprised at how large they are! The people I know who've seen them have said they were maybe twice the size of a large housecat - but those in the pictures look a lot bigger than that! I know I wouldn't want to run into one while walking in the woods... Bears - don't know much about the brown bear, but the black bear has experienced a large increase in population also. I remember as a child my Dad, as a hunter. being very excited twice about seeing a bear around here - now they are pretty common. Out near the University Park Airport there's a den of about 9 of them! We see them in our yard on Bald Eagle Ridge 4-5 times a year. I hear that New Jersey has about 8,000 black bear so many they are trying to figure out what to do about them... Bison - still extinct, except for the buffalo farmers that have sprung up. Fox - both red fox and gray fox have grown in population since the article was written. Red Foxes, in fact, are fairly often being hit by cars and seen dead along the road. Gray Fox is less common, but still around. Just didn't want all the out-of-staters to think that Alaska and Colorado had all the game and that we were devoid of it here in central PA ;-) Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Renkert" <[email protected]> To: "UNION COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; "SNYDER COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "PA-CLEARFIELD LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] Stories of Pennsylvania Animals > An extensive article, "Stories of Pennsylvania Animals" by Henry W. > Shoemaker, is online at > > http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/stories%20of%20pa%20animals/stories%20of%20pa%20animals-html.htm > > It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central > Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, > many already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the > lifetime of out ancestors. > > I think many of you will find this interesting. > > Sue > > (in Alaska where we still have beavers in the back yard!) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lynn/Bill Card - It appears it was reprinted from the Altoona Tribune 1913. Gloria Harbach This was interesting. Couldn't read the date it was written. Thanks, Sue! I live in central Colo. mountains, and fortunately, we still have many of these animals "in our backyard"!! Elk and deer are numerous, as are fox and beaver. Am not sure about fisher, but do have marten. Also coyote, big horn sheep, "panthers"( mountain lion, bobcat, and lynx (these have been reintroduced a county away)) plus bear. I have many of these actually in my yard from time to time so feel extremely lessed to see them frequently. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Renkert" <[email protected]> To: "UNION COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; "SNYDER COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "PA-CLEARFIELD LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] Stories of Pennsylvania Animals An extensive article, "Stories of Pennsylvania Animals" by Henry W. Shoemaker, is online at http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/stories%20of%20pa%20animals/stories%20of%20pa%20animals-html.htm It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, many already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the lifetime of out ancestors. I think many of you will find this interesting. Sue (in Alaska where we still have beavers in the back yard!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue I sure hope Alaska treats it's beavers right. I'm attaching an email I got from a friend a couple of month ago that may explain why beavers have it tough in Pennsylvania. Jim in Clearfield County Support your local beavers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Renkert" <[email protected]> To: "UNION COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; "SNYDER COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "PA-CLEARFIELD LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected].com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: [PACLEARF] Stories of Pennsylvania Animals > An extensive article, "Stories of Pennsylvania Animals" by Henry W. > Shoemaker, is online at > > http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/stories%20of%20pa%20animals/stories%20of%20pa%20animals-html.htm > > It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central > Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, > many already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the > lifetime of out ancestors. > > I think many of you will find this interesting. > > Sue > > (in Alaska where we still have beavers in the back yard!) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This was interesting. Couldn't read the date it was written. Thanks, Sue! I live in central Colo. mountains, and fortunately, we still have many of these animals "in our backyard"!! Elk and deer are numerous, as are fox and beaver. Am not sure about fisher, but do have marten. Also coyote, big horn sheep, "panthers"( mountain lion, bobcat, and lynx (these have been reintroduced a county away)) plus bear. I have many of these actually in my yard from time to time so feel extremely lessed to see them frequently. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Renkert" <[email protected]> To: "UNION COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; "SNYDER COUNTY LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "PA-CLEARFIELD LIST" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] Stories of Pennsylvania Animals An extensive article, "Stories of Pennsylvania Animals" by Henry W. Shoemaker, is online at http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/stories%20of%20pa%20animals/stories%20of%20pa%20animals-html.htm It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, many already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the lifetime of out ancestors. I think many of you will find this interesting. Sue (in Alaska where we still have beavers in the back yard!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An extensive article, "Stories of Pennsylvania Animals" by Henry W. Shoemaker, is online at http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/stories%20of%20pa%20animals/stories%20of%20pa%20animals-html.htm It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, many already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the lifetime of out ancestors. I think many of you will find this interesting. Sue (in Alaska where we still have beavers in the back yard!)

One way to keep this from happening Copy the url right from the addy line when You have site open - back over it - it will Hilite - RIGHT click your mouse - choose copy - go into your email and RIGHT click - choose paste - This may help If duplicates as this does, back up to the repeating part and eliminate Most site will end with .htm or .html Mimi Taylor http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:do [email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] com%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3C mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:26 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] German naming tradition Hi, Joseph and others. This is a good site that lays out the customs for naming children. http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<ht tp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<ht tp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3C http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm> >> I hope this helps. Happy hunting! Dot Michael Dresher, PA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow!. It came through doubled again. Does anyone know why this is? I copied and pasted out of Word rather than just copy and paste from my browser window and it still did this. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: DOROTHY MICHAEL<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] German naming tradition Hi, Mark. Sorry about that. The link is: http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm>> For some dumb reason, the link came out doubled. Hope this helps. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] German naming tradition Hi Dot! Good evening. I tried opening the link you provided but wouldn't work for me? I would very much like to see the information as I am struggling with my German ancestors to figure there naming out. Thanks! Mark in Kansas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:26 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] German naming tradition Hi, Joseph and others. This is a good site that lays out the customs for naming children. http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm<http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm%3Chttp://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm>>> I hope this helps. Happy hunting! Dot Michael Dresher, PA

>From my expereince: My Watson family followed this pattern of naming the first son after the paternal grandfather. They also seem to have a strong tradition of naming later children after their siblings. This has been very helpful in helping to link families. For example, my 5th great grandmother Agness (Nancy) Graham (second wife of James Watson) had sisters Hannah, Elinor and Hettie and named her three daughters Hannah, Elinor and Hettie. Also my ancestor James Watson had a son Lot. Seeing "Lot" as a name in other lines is a strong indicator that the family descended from my James. My great grandfather Robert Lewis Watson I was orphaned and went to Joliet Ill to live with an uncle. When he had his own family, he named his children after his cousins which was most helpful in linking the Joliet family to my line.I suspect that my great grandfather did not carry on the tradition of naming children after their paternal grandfather due to the somewhat disreputable character of his own father James. In my generation, my brother is Robert Lewis Watson IV. My brother also did not name his son after himself, ending the Robert Lewis Watson line for now, but he did carry on the other family tradition by naming his son William after our brother Bill. (My nephews full name is William Robert Watson. They live in the South and I am hoping my nephew doesn't adopt the name Billy Bob. However the Scots-Irish naming tradiiton seems to be why there are Billy Bobs in Appalachia.) These naming patterns also presents a challenge to researchers since these families were proud of having large families and within a couple of generations the numbers of James, Thomas, William, and John Watsons gets a bit overwhelming. I am wondering if Diane or anyone has any information on Agness (Nancy) Graham, born @1764 died @1834? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Graham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: [PACENTRE] Scots Naming Patterns > 1st son--fathers father > 2nd son--mothers father > 3d son--father > 4th son--fathers oldest brother > 5th son--fathers 2nd oldest brother or mothers oldest brother > > 1st daughter--mothers mother > 2nd daughter--fathers mother > 3d daughter--mother > 4th daughter---mothers oldest sister > 5th daughter--mothers 2nd oldest sister or fathers oldest sister > > Often in my early Scots ancestry, I find the surnames of the mother and > father's familes used as well. > > > > For instance, my grandmother was named Euphemia Pitkethly Kiddie. She > was the second daughter in the family. > > Euphemia Pitkethley was her father's mother. Kiddie was her fathers > last name. > > > Is this the same naming pattern that you others with Scots in their > ancestry are used to seeing? > > > Diane > in Iowa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy asked about Scotch-Irish naming patterns. This email came from the Wigtownshire (Scotland) list. Hope it helps. Cheers, Chris Magill Wieland Hi List Wayne asked me to post this handout that I use in my Family History Course. I hope some might find it useful. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com Scottish Naming Patterns Many Scottish families adhered to a 'naming tradition' which can be a useful way of identifying families. Remember it could vary from district to district, such as Durisdeer where families would name one son after the Minister. There was a tradition where the first child to be baptised by a new Minister was named after him. The records of Dumfries in 1806 have an interesting case: 1806 Scott, Lawful daughter to Alexander Grier, Shoemaker, 1st August. N.B. The parents at first intended to call the child Jenny but afterwards agreed to the present name because she was the first baptized by the Rev. Alexander Scott D.D. after his translation from the New to the Old, or St. Michael's Church, Dumfries and this appropriation of a name is generally shown to Ministers. Normal pattern The first son named after the Father's father (paternal grandfather) The second son after the Mother's father (maternal grandfather) The third son named after the Father. The first daughter named after the Mother's mother (maternal grandfather) The second daughter named after the Father's mother (paternal grandmother) The third daughter after the Mother. This pattern was sometimes reversed, especially if the Mother's family were wealthy or more dominant than the Father's. Remember that when the first son is born the couple have no way of knowing if other children will follow. TIP: If a child died in infancy, as often was the case, it was customary to give the next child of the same sex the same name. ==== SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Mailing List ==== ----------------------------------

1st son--fathers father 2nd son--mothers father 3d son--father 4th son--fathers oldest brother 5th son--fathers 2nd oldest brother or mothers oldest brother 1st daughter--mothers mother 2nd daughter--fathers mother 3d daughter--mother 4th daughter---mothers oldest sister 5th daughter--mothers 2nd oldest sister or fathers oldest sister Often in my early Scots ancestry, I find the surnames of the mother and father's familes used as well. For instance, my grandmother was named Euphemia Pitkethly Kiddie. She was the second daughter in the family. Euphemia Pitkethley was her father's mother. Kiddie was her fathers last name. Is this the same naming pattern that you others with Scots in their ancestry are used to seeing? Diane in Iowa

Msg. #2 Rhodes Theo, you have no dates on your Rhodes. I have a Michael Rhodes b. 1900 m. Sarah Lemon in Centre Co with a son William but do not know whom he married. Betty in TN

In a message dated 1/12/07 5:40:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Renee - that could be a very touchy trek - I would try to see if the State of California Bar Assoc has them listed And the state may also have pages of court records - proceedings - filings etc . When an estate is sizeable - [over $50 K] in most states the administrators have to file all sorts of surety bonds etc Also google the names of the law firm [and individuals] and see what pops up - amazing What is public information They do have a web page, and yes the estate is over $50k. We aren't sure though if the Will was filed in California. If it is, then you have to know exactly what county right? Wonder where you go to search court records on line. This is very important to me, Maureen Newman is my very best friend and she is suffering from Cancer. The state supplied doctors don't offer her much hope and her husband Tom wants to use these funds to get her a good doctor in the private sector. Renee

Renee - that could be a very touchy trek - I would try to see if the State of California Bar Assoc has them listed And the state may also have pages of court records - proceedings - filings etc . When an estate is sizeable - [over $50 K] in most states the administrators have to file all sorts of surety bonds etc Also google the names of the law firm [and individuals] and see what pops up - amazing What is public information Mimi Taylor ***************** Please, is there anyone out there that can help solve this mystery? Renee L. Waring

Hi Everyone. I'm back from Australia. I had a great time but while there my friends husband asked me to solve a family mystery. I've tried everything I can think of and I was hoping someone on this list might have some thoughts. Thomas Newman, born Aug. 2, 1931 in Alexandria Egypt to an English Mother and Father. He also had a God Mother named Nevart Nizamian, an Egyptian of Armenian descent. In 1994 she wrote to him from a hotel in Paris called Elys'ees-Star at 63, Rue Galilee, Paris, France 5008 phone number 0147204173. This was the last letter he was to receive from her, and in it she said she was concerned about her financing, that her soliciters were taking her money. You see, Nevart was worth quite a lot of money, and Thomas Newman was in her Will as the beneficiary. She died shortly after that in 1994 but he does not know where. Since that time no one has contacted him, and he has been unable to trace a Will. He knows she had friends in Montreal, Canada and she had an appartment building in Paris and a Scholss (?) in Vienna. I searched on the web and found nothing on Nevart Nizamian. I did find a legal firm in Los Angeles called Nizamian & Nizamian with an email address. I wrote to the address and asked for information on Nevart Nizamian who died 1994. Raffi Nizamian wrote back that they knew of Nevart and that she had passed away in 1993-94 but they did not recognize the address of the Hotel in Paris. I wrote back giving them more details about Tom's claim to the inheritance and three days later I wrote again asking for more information. Raffi Nizamian wrote back a not very nice letter saying it wasn't the same Nevart Nizamian and he couldn't help me. I felt it was kind of strange that one minute he knew her, and the next (after learning there was a claiment to the estate) he doesn't know her and can't help me. That's really weird, since they are a law firm and I'm starting to believe that they were the soliciters of the Will. Then it occured to me that they were muslims and perhaps the estate was stolen to support terrorism and perhaps I should contact homeland security. Please, is there anyone out there that can help solve this mystery? Renee L. Waring