Thanks Justin, I'll check the line against my information. Jan Blessed Be; Bright Blessings; Beautiful Beginnings; Big Boons; Bodacious Blockbusters; Brilliant Brainstorms ; Boundless Benefits

My father went by his middle name too - S. Gale Witmer. There's a lot of tradition in some families about doing that (like the Baumgardners often did), but the Witmer's didn't seem to except for my Dad... ----- Original Message ----- From: "geniebugged" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] State College First name Harold [can also be] > Harry - or sometimes Henry in the census - or a first Initial used > As they did mid-1800's [or just initials] > > Have a [present day] cousin by marriage - now deceased who went by middle > name all his life .. > H. Ray [full name Harold Raymond C.....] > > Mimi Taylor > > -----Original Message----- > Harold G. Witmer, > born 1903. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Harry - or sometimes Henry in the census - or a first Initial used As they did mid-1800's [or just initials] Have a [present day] cousin by marriage - now deceased who went by middle name all his life .. H. Ray [full name Harold Raymond C.....] Mimi Taylor -----Original Message----- Harold G. Witmer, > born 1903.

I may have missed this on an earlier post, but where does the term Pow-Wow come from, did they borrow the term from Native Americans? Sara on 1/27/07 6:19 PM, Justin Kirk Houser at [email protected] wrote: > Arline, > > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. > > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. > > Justin > > At 04:10 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >> I didn't intend to open a can of worms but was happy to hear of others' >> ancestors who "lived long". I always felt that the hard work and non >> processed food was a great contributor. >> >> Re: Pow Wow. >> Have partly researched this phenomena; My mother had her warts removed >> by this method and rumor says grandfather knew how to do this although I >> never observed a session. >> I teach an adult Bible class and we are currently studying the >> Miracles. I have been toying with a possible introduction to Pow Wow. >> Seems it might fit in. But I am not sure how this subject would be >> accepted. >> >> After all - Scripture and sometimes "hands on" is used for Pow Wow. >> What is your thinking, Justin? >> Arline >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, My Mother told me that same story and she always hoped my grandfather would pass it on to her. He didn't! I think it went with him to the grave. Arline Dave Wallace wrote: >My Father could get rid of warts, it was a phrase and a passage in the >Bible. He refused to call it a Pow Wow. Also said the gift of use could be >passed from male to female and from female to male, but would not wok for >the person if passed to the same sex. >Dave >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Justin Kirk Houser" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:07 PM >Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] pow wow and dowsing > > > > >>Yes, my uncle "Buss" Bilger was also very adept at dowsing and marked >>out a number of wells in his lifetime - including our own. Dad said >>just today that Buss would even "shiver" when he crossed over a good >>water supply. >> >>I was hoping that those on the list who knew of pow-wow practitioners >>in the region would help in the compilation of a list of names of >>folks involved. >> >>Randall Stover in Aaronsburg is one of the most prolific dowsers in >>the county. He is far advanced in years but is a very, very >>interesting gentleman with an extensive knowledge of such things. >> >>Justin >> >>At 08:05 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >> >> >>>I've hear of pow wow - I believe there are (or were) a number of folks in >>>the Spring Mills area who did it. I've heard that my grandmother would go >>>over there to see people (possibly relatives) about it. There was a woman >>>who worked at a department store where I worked as a kid who did it, but I >>>don't remember much else - I never saw it or anything. >>> >>>On dowsing - that's a really interesting subject. We were at a family >>>reunion one year, and my uncle mentioned dowsing - not for water but for >>>electrical lines and such. There was a metal pipe running under the >>>parking >>>lot of the picnic area, and he showed us how he does it. Finding it >>>unusual, >>>we asked a lot of questions, and he said he'd show us how. He said "some >>>have the power, some don't"... Many of us tried it, and about half were >>>able to get the brass rods to swing when walking over the pipe. I could, >>>and >>>I tried it at home, looking for my utility lines before digging in fence >>>posts. I found them, but not being 100% confident called the 'call before >>>you dig' folks to have them mark the utilities. Pretty cool - I was right >>>on >>>all of them. You hold the bent metal rods loosely, and walk slowly- the >>>rods >>>start to swing on their own over the pipes and lines. After my experiences >>>with dowsing, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tools to use the same >>>way to find water. I think Hickory is often mentioned as the material to >>>use. >>> >>>Deb >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Justin Kirk Houser" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:19 PM >>>Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Arline, >>>> >>>>I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of >>>>'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a >>>>naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, >>>>etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. >>>> >>>>The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were >>>>generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the >>>>Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German >>>>churches. >>>> >>>>Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Randall's parents were Paul Myron Stover (1890-1989) and Lodie P. Motz (1894-1980). His grandparents were McClellan Oscar Stover (1867-1945) and Mary Elizabeth Musser (1869-1956), and Thomas Motz and Ida Hosterman. His great-grandparents were George B. Stover (1839-) and Eva D. Hosterman (1848-). His great-great-grandparents were Philip Stover (1812-1883) and Catharine (1815-1879). The lineage is in my database at WorldConnect at Rootsweb.com. Justin At 11:27 AM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/27/2007 8:24:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > >Finding wells, well, I did hear of using a tool to find water. Finding >graves? Please explain! >One of the modalities I use is called Reiki, which is a Japanese form of >energy healing. I found that it uses the same type (with a few >twists) of hands >on that my dad and grandmother taught me as a kid. After studying, I found >that most cultures have some form of energy healing, and today it is often >labeled universal energy. > >The theory is that everything is imbued with some level of energy and that >human beings can attune their energy, at will, to resonate with the energy >emanated from other forms. Whether it is genetic or for some other reason, >some individuals have a more pronounced ability to do this. For these >individuals, with practice, intent is the factor. If intent on >healing, the energy is >used for that effect with hands on. If intent, and concentrating on water, >that's where the energy level will set, and there will be a connection from >the water through an object to the body of the dowser. If the individual is >intent on connecting with a being who has crossed over, that spirit >will make >contact in some way, through dreams, a physical reminder, or maybe finding a >grave. > > >"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, >Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. " Shakespeare > >Justin - do you know which line of Stover Randall descends from? The gram >who taught me is a Stover descendant. > > > > > >Blessed Be; Bright Blessings; Beautiful Beginnings; Big Boons; >Bodacious Blockbusters; Brilliant Brainstorms ; Boundless Benefits > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much for sending that url. Sounds very interesting. Jan Blessed Be; Bright Blessings; Beautiful Beginnings; Big Boons; Bodacious Blockbusters; Brilliant Brainstorms ; Boundless Benefits

In a message dated 1/27/2007 8:24:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Finding wells, well, I did hear of using a tool to find water. Finding graves? Please explain! One of the modalities I use is called Reiki, which is a Japanese form of energy healing. I found that it uses the same type (with a few twists) of hands on that my dad and grandmother taught me as a kid. After studying, I found that most cultures have some form of energy healing, and today it is often labeled universal energy. The theory is that everything is imbued with some level of energy and that human beings can attune their energy, at will, to resonate with the energy emanated from other forms. Whether it is genetic or for some other reason, some individuals have a more pronounced ability to do this. For these individuals, with practice, intent is the factor. If intent on healing, the energy is used for that effect with hands on. If intent, and concentrating on water, that's where the energy level will set, and there will be a connection from the water through an object to the body of the dowser. If the individual is intent on connecting with a being who has crossed over, that spirit will make contact in some way, through dreams, a physical reminder, or maybe finding a grave. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. " Shakespeare Justin - do you know which line of Stover Randall descends from? The gram who taught me is a Stover descendant. Blessed Be; Bright Blessings; Beautiful Beginnings; Big Boons; Bodacious Blockbusters; Brilliant Brainstorms ; Boundless Benefits

Here is an internet link explaining that Pow Wow traditions were derived from ancient German healing rites called Braucherei. This link is from a man who is writing a book and would like to hear about experiences. http://www.onceuponahex.com/braucherei.htm

My late husband's great grandmother used to pow wow when he was growing up in Berks county. He remembered as a small child that any time he would be sick she would come over to do it. He found it kind of scary then, but said that it always worked. As far as dowsing, I always thought that was one of those old wives tales until we needed to get a water well drilled here. I picked out the spot I wanted the well, but my husband said that I should just be quiet and let the driller choose the spot since he was a dowser and would know best where to drill. As it ended up he choose the exact spot where I wanted the well and where 3 veins of water meet. Our well, which never runs out of water is only 68 feet deep. The others on the road, which were done without dowsers and put in convenient places, are over 200 feet deep and have so little water that you have to stagger water use so you don't run out. They have all eventually connected to the water lines (expensive and not available when we needed to drill our well) and we are the only one left useing our well. Jane Unger Deb Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: I've hear of pow wow - I believe there are (or were) a number of folks in the Spring Mills area who did it. I've heard that my grandmother would go over there to see people (possibly relatives) about it. There was a woman who worked at a department store where I worked as a kid who did it, but I don't remember much else - I never saw it or anything. On dowsing - that's a really interesting subject. We were at a family reunion one year, and my uncle mentioned dowsing - not for water but for electrical lines and such. There was a metal pipe running under the parking lot of the picnic area, and he showed us how he does it. Finding it unusual, we asked a lot of questions, and he said he'd show us how. He said "some have the power, some don't"... Many of us tried it, and about half were able to get the brass rods to swing when walking over the pipe. I could, and I tried it at home, looking for my utility lines before digging in fence posts. I found them, but not being 100% confident called the 'call before you dig' folks to have them mark the utilities. Pretty cool - I was right on all of them. You hold the bent metal rods loosely, and walk slowly- the rods start to swing on their own over the pipes and lines. After my experiences with dowsing, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tools to use the same way to find water. I think Hickory is often mentioned as the material to use. Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kirk Houser" To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow > Arline, > > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. > > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. > > Justin > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hoot Owl Hollow NurseryNew Marshfield OH 45766740-664-2409 http://www.hootowlhollow.com --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

When I was quite young we had a major clog in the sewer line and my dad could not get it open. Since we lived in what was once a log house, he knew the sewer line could be broken or infiltrated with roots and also, he did not know where to dig. My mother used a pair of ordinary pliers, held them by the handles straight out and when they dipped downward a stake was put in that spot. She ended up mapping the entire line and when my dad started digging - there it was. I tried this many times, but don't have the knack for it, I guess. Gloria Harbach

My Father could get rid of warts, it was a phrase and a passage in the Bible. He refused to call it a Pow Wow. Also said the gift of use could be passed from male to female and from female to male, but would not wok for the person if passed to the same sex. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kirk Houser" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] pow wow and dowsing > Yes, my uncle "Buss" Bilger was also very adept at dowsing and marked > out a number of wells in his lifetime - including our own. Dad said > just today that Buss would even "shiver" when he crossed over a good > water supply. > > I was hoping that those on the list who knew of pow-wow practitioners > in the region would help in the compilation of a list of names of > folks involved. > > Randall Stover in Aaronsburg is one of the most prolific dowsers in > the county. He is far advanced in years but is a very, very > interesting gentleman with an extensive knowledge of such things. > > Justin > > At 08:05 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >>I've hear of pow wow - I believe there are (or were) a number of folks in >>the Spring Mills area who did it. I've heard that my grandmother would go >>over there to see people (possibly relatives) about it. There was a woman >>who worked at a department store where I worked as a kid who did it, but I >>don't remember much else - I never saw it or anything. >> >>On dowsing - that's a really interesting subject. We were at a family >>reunion one year, and my uncle mentioned dowsing - not for water but for >>electrical lines and such. There was a metal pipe running under the >>parking >>lot of the picnic area, and he showed us how he does it. Finding it >>unusual, >>we asked a lot of questions, and he said he'd show us how. He said "some >>have the power, some don't"... Many of us tried it, and about half were >>able to get the brass rods to swing when walking over the pipe. I could, >>and >>I tried it at home, looking for my utility lines before digging in fence >>posts. I found them, but not being 100% confident called the 'call before >>you dig' folks to have them mark the utilities. Pretty cool - I was right >>on >>all of them. You hold the bent metal rods loosely, and walk slowly- the >>rods >>start to swing on their own over the pipes and lines. After my experiences >>with dowsing, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tools to use the same >>way to find water. I think Hickory is often mentioned as the material to >>use. >> >>Deb >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Justin Kirk Houser" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:19 PM >>Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow >> >> >> > Arline, >> > >> > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of >> > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a >> > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, >> > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. >> > >> > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were >> > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the >> > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German >> > churches. >> > >> > Justin >> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can also use divining rods or a dowsing stick to locate burial sites. With some practice you can even ask the devises simple questions and they will respond with yes, and do nothing for no. How bout it Justin, several of us went on our first expidition together. I can locate water, sewer, power, phone lines also. After one is good with them they will also work as a metal detector. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Motter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] dowsing > Since dowsing was mentioned, I have been dowsing unmarked cemeteries for > years. I give programs at genealogy societies on "grave dowsing". > So dowsing isn't just for water, minerals and such......Some call me > crazy, > but others think I am ok <VBG> > Gloria > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Justin, I got that link for Blair Co. I'm going to write to that historical society and ask for any help they can give me for my g-grandfather. Thanks! Alexis

Finding wells, well, I did hear of using a tool to find water. Finding graves? Please explain!

Dowsing? A new term for me, except for pouring water on something. What's it mean here?

Yes, my uncle "Buss" Bilger was also very adept at dowsing and marked out a number of wells in his lifetime - including our own. Dad said just today that Buss would even "shiver" when he crossed over a good water supply. I was hoping that those on the list who knew of pow-wow practitioners in the region would help in the compilation of a list of names of folks involved. Randall Stover in Aaronsburg is one of the most prolific dowsers in the county. He is far advanced in years but is a very, very interesting gentleman with an extensive knowledge of such things. Justin At 08:05 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >I've hear of pow wow - I believe there are (or were) a number of folks in >the Spring Mills area who did it. I've heard that my grandmother would go >over there to see people (possibly relatives) about it. There was a woman >who worked at a department store where I worked as a kid who did it, but I >don't remember much else - I never saw it or anything. > >On dowsing - that's a really interesting subject. We were at a family >reunion one year, and my uncle mentioned dowsing - not for water but for >electrical lines and such. There was a metal pipe running under the parking >lot of the picnic area, and he showed us how he does it. Finding it unusual, >we asked a lot of questions, and he said he'd show us how. He said "some >have the power, some don't"... Many of us tried it, and about half were >able to get the brass rods to swing when walking over the pipe. I could, and >I tried it at home, looking for my utility lines before digging in fence >posts. I found them, but not being 100% confident called the 'call before >you dig' folks to have them mark the utilities. Pretty cool - I was right on >all of them. You hold the bent metal rods loosely, and walk slowly- the rods >start to swing on their own over the pipes and lines. After my experiences >with dowsing, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tools to use the same >way to find water. I think Hickory is often mentioned as the material to >use. > >Deb >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Justin Kirk Houser" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:19 PM >Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow > > > > Arline, > > > > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of > > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a > > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, > > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. > > > > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were > > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the > > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. > > > > Justin > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since dowsing was mentioned, I have been dowsing unmarked cemeteries for years. I give programs at genealogy societies on "grave dowsing". So dowsing isn't just for water, minerals and such......Some call me crazy, but others think I am ok <VBG> Gloria

I think as with all things that sometimes when people believe something is working they themselves feel better. I am not saying these things did not work but the power of the mind can do great things Donna

I've hear of pow wow - I believe there are (or were) a number of folks in the Spring Mills area who did it. I've heard that my grandmother would go over there to see people (possibly relatives) about it. There was a woman who worked at a department store where I worked as a kid who did it, but I don't remember much else - I never saw it or anything. On dowsing - that's a really interesting subject. We were at a family reunion one year, and my uncle mentioned dowsing - not for water but for electrical lines and such. There was a metal pipe running under the parking lot of the picnic area, and he showed us how he does it. Finding it unusual, we asked a lot of questions, and he said he'd show us how. He said "some have the power, some don't"... Many of us tried it, and about half were able to get the brass rods to swing when walking over the pipe. I could, and I tried it at home, looking for my utility lines before digging in fence posts. I found them, but not being 100% confident called the 'call before you dig' folks to have them mark the utilities. Pretty cool - I was right on all of them. You hold the bent metal rods loosely, and walk slowly- the rods start to swing on their own over the pipes and lines. After my experiences with dowsing, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tools to use the same way to find water. I think Hickory is often mentioned as the material to use. Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kirk Houser" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow > Arline, > > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. > > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. > > Justin >