Quoting: <<I see some saying that the Middlesex Johnson's & Pace's Are not connected to the Wiliamsburg Paces The next one says that there is a Connection???>> Who are the Williamsburg Paces? I know about the Middlesex Paces and the Jamestown area Paces but not Williamsburg Paces. DNA can disprove easier than it can prove. Complete differences between the DNA of the Middlesex descendents and the descendents of the North Carolina Paces who came down from the Jamestown area proves conclusively that they are NOT related. Before DNA, Pace descendents tried to "prove" that John of Middlesex was descended from Richard of Jamestown (some said through George, others through "Richard II"), but it was based on smoke and mirrors, not evidence. You have probably run into these earlier accounts and have not separated them out from what the recent evidence shows. DNA has found a precise link (perfect 25/25 match) between Gordon Pace of Canada and the Middlesex Paces, 95% chance they are related within a generation of John of M. Documentary evidence and strong circumstantial evidence virtually prove that John of Middlesex was born in Shropshire in 1665. So DNA has worked wonders here. To see this evidence go to http://pacesociety.org/DNA/johngeorge.htm The evidence will show that John of Middlesex was most likely a brother to Gordon Pace's 6x great grandfather George Pace. Too many similarities in naming children, birth dates, etc., to be coincidence. If you understand how DNA works and what its limits are it can be a help. It is better at disproving than at proving, but it can support documentary evidence. Look at the DNA chart (http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm) and see how consistently the John of Middlesex Pace descendents (group 2) match each other but NOT the Jamestown area Pace descendents (3a and 3b), but notice how consistently those Paces match each other. If this isn't helpful data, I don't know what is. You need to evaluate and sort out all of the claims. The early Pace Society researchers jumped to a lot of conclusions not supported by evidence. There will always be conflicting claims and IFs, whether DNA is used or not. You have to look at the evidence behind the claims. DNA is just one more tool to help do that. Roy Johnson Pace DNA coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Atpowelljr@aol.com [mailto:Atpowelljr@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:29 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Re: [JOHNSON] DNA relationships COUSINS; The more that I see abt D. N. A. THE more IF'S AND'S Might be's Maybeso's. D. N. A. no doubt serves a purpose, BUT WHY so many. IF'S??? Nearly as Many as Folklore. JUST one Question?? MY Ascendency; I see some saying that the Middlesex Johnson's & Pace's Are not connected to the Wiliamsburg Paces The next one says that there is a Connection??? One of My 5th Grt Grand Fathers Had one of those LARGE Families, TWO of his Sons Are My 4th Grt Grand Father's, NOW I notice more often than not, a researcher will refer to MY LINE?? & just take one Child from a FAMILY, I believe that is one of the BIg Brick walls. SO you take John Pace Good, But you run into that Famous BRICK WALL ABT three Generations in to your Research, Because, Johns Brother's Grand SON Married THE Johnson Girl & their Son married John Paces Daughter. Supprise, the researcher that did not think it Nessary to Keep a record of but HIS/HER, LINE of just John. It is Just as important to know your 5 & 4th Grt Grand Parents Siblings as to Know those Grt Grand Parents, THINK NOT?? WELL IT IS A fact , Cousins that I am my own 6th Cousin, Proven without any doubt. EASY: two Harvey Sister's one M a Campbell The other Married a Mitchell, whose Dau. Married <2nd Grt Grand Pa George Rodney Johnson. George's Dau, M. a Wilmer/Wilmore Their Dau M. a Campbell WHO was the Son of The Harvey Girl's, Grand Son, that had Married a Campbell & the other Harvey girl who had Married the Mitchell Youngest Daughter CONFUSING, to me, no because the Family record KEEPERS Remembered ALL of the Family Members, Instead of just My line, OF ONE Sibling. CUZ A T & Leona <atpowelljr@aol.;com> ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net

royj@webster.edu wrote: > > If you understand how DNA works and what its limits > are it can be a help. It is > better at disproving than at proving, but it can > support documentary evidence. > Look at the DNA chart > (http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm) and see > how > consistently the John of Middlesex Pace descendents > (group 2) match each other > but NOT the Jamestown area Pace descendents (3a and > 3b), but notice how > consistently those Paces match each other. If this > isn't helpful data, I don't > know what is. Hear, hear. I'm sure I'm not the only descendant of Richard Pace (d. NC 1738) who was delighted (and relieved) to see actual genetic confirmation of the documentation. It shows there has been no misinterpretation of the records. And the John of Middlesex result seems a really classic example of how DNA results can be combined WITH documentation to reveal a past which otherwise might never have been uncovered or suspected. Pity we can't search out the bones of Richard Pace of Jamestown and see who (if anybody) matches 25/25. James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com