It is impossible to use DNA to connect to Richard of Jamestown, as we do not have a proven line to Richard to work from. It is ASSUMED that Richard of North Carolina was the great grandson of Richard of Jamestown, but there is no written record of which Richard moved from Virginia to North Carolina. Ruth Keys Clark felt there were at least two Richards in Virginia who could have moved to NC, one of which would be the original Richard's descendent. So this gives a 50-50 chance that Richard of NC was Richard of Jamestown's descendent. Many genealogists take this descent as proven fact, but there is no paper trail to prove it. Bruce Howard cites what he believes is strong circumstantial evidence that this is the same Richard, but then Bruce was wrong about John of Middlesex, and this must be taken as his opinion, not proven fact. What we have is a proven paper trail from today's Paces to Richard of NC and John of M, and we can use DNA from those descendents to prove/disprove relationships, but there is no way at present to be 100% certain we have DNA from Richard of Jamestown, although the circumstantial evidence seems pretty strong. Check out our results page at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm You should also check Gordon T. Pace (Canada)'s excellent web pages. We believe we have strong evidence that John Pace of Middlesex was John Pace b. 1665 in Shropshire, near the Welsh border. Again, there is no absolute paper trail, but the other evidence seems so strong as to make the connection better than 90% certain. Roy Johnson Pace DNA coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Compurose@cs.com [mailto:Compurose@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:40 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Re: PACE-D Digest V05 #173 Joe has written that " To my mind, the Pace Y chromosome study has proven conclusively that two Pace lines (John of Middlesex and Richard of NC) did not descend from a common male ancestor here in America." and also "..... the Pace DNA study has not proven that either group descends from Richard Pace of Jamestown." I have not followed the posts about the DNA testing too carefully. I was interested in learning a connection of John of Middlesex to Richard Pace of Jamestown and when I read there was none, I didn't follow through to learn that there is no connection of Richard of NC to Richard of Jamestown either. Question - would you identify the Richard of NC... is this the line that has "always" been thought to be directly connected to Jamestown? And have there been any lines definitely connected, by DNA, to Richard of Jamestown? ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net