<<Again, I will apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed or is old news to all of you - but, has the DNA project (which is way over my head) proven the connection between William Henry Pace (1745-1815) and Elisha (1781-1851)? Gordon T.'s website referred to the Ed letter as his source for the connection>> 1) DNA cannot prove, it can only point. It can add verification to paper records that indicate a relationship, but it like a detective story--it is a clue. One clue is not proof. 2) Someone in the Henry-Elisha lines would have to answer your question about whether DNA tends to confirm that relationship, but DNA is better at log-ago general relationships, such as the John of Middlesex connection with Paces of Shropshire, England, and not with the Richard Paces of Jamestown origin. 3) I doubt that DNA is over your head. You probably are just too busy to have read the descriptions. Roy Johnson DNA coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Cecilia Barton-Murrah [mailto:cec@imagesverite.com] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:54 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Re: PACE-D Digest V05 #171 Gordon T. Pace, I am an infrequent reader of this message board - since I am trying to research all of my lines I have limited time for each! Still, I have enjoyed the group e-mails. However, when you only stop by occasionally we sometimes forget our manors! I have checked out your website as suggested by Charles - and I am impressed - I have already printed out several pages for future reference. It is organized wonderfully! Thanks for all that you have done! And I hope you are able to stay connected. Cec Barton-Murrah To other Message Board members: Again, I will apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed or is old news to all of you - but, has the DNA project (which is way over my head) proven the connection between William Henry Pace (1745-1815) and Elisha (1781-1851)? Gordon T.'s website referred to the Ed letter as his source for the connection. And, I have seen that letter. And, I do believe the connection is correct. However, the letter creates as many questions as it answers (in my opinion). I would love for it to be accepted as documentation for the Wm/ Elisha connection - but I worry that the DAR folks (and other organizations) won't see it as proof. Since Elisha is my connection to the earlier Pace lines I would greatly appreciate any information or help with this connection. Thanks, Cec ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, reply to sender.

I'm with Roy - Y chromosome studies can't really "prove" descent (or common descent in the case of two male subjects) from any particular individual. The results can be used to calculate the probability that two male subjects descended from a common male ancestor at some point "X" generations in the past. [This is based on the fact that sons almost always inherit an unaltered Y chromosome from their father, so the only changes in the Y are caused by mutations that occur at a known rate over generations]. Proof? To my mind, the Pace Y chromosome study has proven conclusively that two Pace lines (John of Middlesex and Richard of NC) did not descend from a common male ancestor here in America. The Pace study is the best example that I know of the practical application of Y chromosome DNA to solve an unresolved genealogical question. Congratulations are due to all who have worked on and contributed to the study! However, the Pace DNA study has not proven that either group descends from Richard Pace of Jamestown. That conclusion, and others like it, has to come from old-fashioned genealogy research, not from the boys in the white lab coats. Joe (No, it's not over anyone's head - lots of web sources can explain it to you. It may take some hard work on your part unless you already have a pretty good background in the biological sciences, but you can get there if you work at it hard enough.) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Roy Johnson" <royj@webster.edu> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Re: PACE-D Digest V05 #171 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:14:20 -0600 <<Again, I will apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed or is old news to all of you - but, has the DNA project (which is way over my head) proven the connection between William Henry Pace (1745-1815) and Elisha (1781-1851)? Gordon T.'s website referred to the Ed letter as his source for the connection>> 1) DNA cannot prove, it can only point. It can add verification to paper records that indicate a relationship, but it like a detective story--it is a clue. One clue is not proof. 2) Someone in the Henry-Elisha lines would have to answer your question about whether DNA tends to confirm that relationship, but DNA is better at log-ago general relationships, such as the John of Middlesex connection with Paces of Shropshire, England, and not with the Richard Paces of Jamestown origin. 3) I doubt that DNA is over your head. You probably are just too busy to have read the descriptions. Roy Johnson DNA coordinator