Oops, I counted wrong, but it reinforces the conclusion. At 25 markers, the match between the Tedford line and the modal for Pace Group 3b is only 19/25 with one of the mismatches a 2-step differences. Definitely no match between the two families. Rebecca Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Christensen <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Re TEDFORD LINE -- : Message from a ysearch user To: "Betty A. Pace" <bapace2@juno.com>, pace-l@rootsweb.com I just went and re-ran the Ysearch comparison. The results for your brother as posted on Ysearch (ID = M8PV7) include only 12 markers and include a mutation or change to 30 at DYS 389ii from the modal results of the rest of Group 3b. It really isn't possible to draw any kind of conclusion with only 12 markers and two different surnames - whether they match or not. Twelve markers is insufficient between different surnames and in many cases aren't enough when the surnames are the same to draw meaningful conclusions. In this case, if you compare the modal (most common) 12 marker results of Pace Group 3b with the posted Tedford results, the match is only 10/12. But if you compare the rest of the modal Pace Group 3b results up to 25 markers with the Tedford results, the "match" falls apart even more. That is, comparing the modal 25 marker Pace Group 3b results with the Tedford results (Ysearch ID 5NG75) the match is only 20/25 with one of the differences being a 2-step difference. So, there is no need to go looking for a Pace-Tedford connection at this point. The DNA suggests there is no connection. Rebecca Christensen "Betty A. Pace" <bapace2@juno.com> wrote: My brother took the Pace DNA test. He recently received the following message regarding the DNA project--showing a Tedford tie. I know of no Tedford connection to the Paces. I don't see how it could be in the male line of Paces. Does anyone know of such a link? We think we are linked to Richard I through John & Sarah Burge PACE. Betty Pace --------- Forwarded message ---------- william.g.tilford@boeing.com wrote: > Dear David J. Pace, > > A Ysearch user has sent you a message regarding your Ysearch account. > Your User ID: M8PV7 > Your Last Name: Pace > > We have not disclosed your email address to the sender. Should you wish to > reply to this user, simply click Reply in your email program and an email > will automatically be addressed to the sender. The message contents > follow: > > Name: william g tilford jr > Email: william.g.tilford@boeing.com > Message: you have the same markers as the tedford project, did your > ancesters co from scotland (we are scotch irish) wonder where our > connection is. how far back did our paths cross. > > This email was sent to davidjpace@yahoo.com > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace