I heard someone on T.V say that the double L's usually indicate a source from Wales. Are there any Paces out there with a definite connection to Wales?? or Llewellyns There was a story in my family that three brothers came from Wales. My grandfather had a brother born about 1846 whose name was James Llewellyn Pace. He was the son of John R.Pace b. 1809 and Elizabeth?? ( I have recently found that she may be an Elizabeth Lane) dau. of William S. Lane and Nancy Haden of Fluvanna. Lanes, Paces, and Hadens were all neighbors in Fluvanna. I did a little search and found a Thomas Llewellyn and Mary Newton Ma.6 Jan. 1791 at St. Matthew, Walsall, Staffordshire Issue:John 1792,William 1801,Thomas 1802, Samuel 1803, Keziah 1805, Phebe 1808

Lois Long Carey wrote: > I heard someone on T.V say that the double L's usually > indicate a source from Wales. Yes, I think the double L is pronounced as 'th' There are many surnames that could be considered Welsh, some are Davis, Davies, Williams, Morgan & Jones of course, Cadwalladar, Lewis, to name just a few. > > Are there any Paces out there with a definite connection > to Wales?? or Llewellyns Yes, my SHROPSHIRE PACE ancestry borders on Wales, they call these bordering counties, the "Welsh marches". Welsh surnames are found in Shropshire families. One of the Rootsweb lists I'm subscribed to is called MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com because it deals with the middle of the Marches, namely Shropshire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire, Gloucestershire, basically much of the Midlands of England that includes Worcestershire, Staffordshire, Cheshire. This WELSH border was not always clearly defined or adheared to. People would walk to church from their home which was in Shropshire to the church in Wales, etc. The border was an imaginary thing. > There was a story in my family that three brothers > came from Wales. > My grandfather had a brother born about 1846 whose > name was James Llewellyn Pace. > He was the son of John R.Pace b. 1809 and > Elizabeth?? ( I have recently found that she may > be an Elizabeth Lane) dau. of William S. Lane > and Nancy Haden of Fluvanna. > Lanes, Paces, and Hadens were all neighbors > in Fluvanna. > > I did a little search and found a > Thomas Llewellyn and Mary Newton > Ma.6 Jan. 1791 at St. Matthew, Walsall, Staffordshire > Issue:John 1792,William 1801,Thomas 1802, > Samuel 1803, Keziah 1805, Phebe 1808 St. Matthew, Walsall is where my grandparents married in 1898 and many of my ancestors. It is to the north west of the city of Birmingham, actually on the outskirts. In the records, you might see Walsall or Walsall Foreign, another way of saying, outlying districts. Another Pace Society member, Darrell Pace of Charlotte NC, joined last year. He had discovered his ancestry may go back to Bloxwich or Walsall. I lost his email address in the switch from W98 to XP. Does anyone have his address? His DNA did not match mine but that is not important as his ancestor lived in a decade when there were a lot of deaths in my family and others in the Midlands of England, around the year 1770 and in such case, family is often absorbed into related family. DNA continuity could be broken in such cases, so I'd certainly not give up on relationship. When I was brought to Canada and dropped off and lived with several families, my name was changed so the relatives would not have to pay the educational taxes. During the depression, people kept quiet about 'things' and did what they could. It was the way of life. I went through this several times, not something I care to talk about but people were not that affluent but recognized family members and did what they could during times like the depression, war. So when DNA does not match when it is hoped it should, keep these facts in mind and please understand some facts of life. If my parents were killed in the war, I would have another surname, not Pace, as I was brought up by relatives of another surname. Perhaps in later life, I would not have known my true identity. If you had seen the recent movie the Chronicles of Narnia, where the bombs were dropping and kids were shipped out of cities, I was in that and called Gordon after the surname of the nurse that looked after us when the hospital was bombed. My mother went back to England, where my father worked in the war effort for Vickers Aircraft, Spitfires, Hurricanes at Castle Bromwich. Anyway, enough of this, my story is one of many, I'm sure. I feel it's important to explain why some DNA missmatches do not tell the complete story. When DNA does match over several generations of marriages, and descendency, etc. it is nothing short of amazing, of course, but do not forget the cold hard facts of life that some of our ancestors had to live through. GTPace