While we're waiting to see what the DNA upgrade can tell us, it occurred to me that those interested could make a collective onslaught on the available online early Pace records, looking at Paces who lived in and around Middlesex, in the 18th century. We could try to trace from each of those 18th-century Paces towards the present day, in the hope of getting all the way to the present day and finding a living male-line descendant. If we could find a suitable living descendant, then we could invite him to participate in the DNA project. My reasoning is that any Paces living in that area during the 18th century could _conceivably_ be descended from relatives of Richard and/or Ant's ancestors. IF (big if) we could find a descendant who was willing to participate, we could compare his DNA to Ant's as well as to that of the possible Richard descendants in the database. Could be interesting. Even if we don't find a suitable DNA candidate, it might throw up possible ancestors of Ant's. I was thinking we could start by examining the wills archive at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp. There are some interesting Pace wills listed in Middlesex in the 18th century. Several of them are the wills of mariners. The wills can be accessed at the Family Records Centre in Islington manually, but that would be very slow. Much quicker if we use the online archive. It costs £3.50 to download a will. My suggestion is that anyone who wants to could volunteer to buy a will and then share with the list the relevant information contained in it. (I don't think we're allowed to post an actual transcription, because of copyright, but we could say what names and relationships are mentioned.) Then we could put our heads together and identify the most promising leads to follow, and from there we could search the relevant parish records for further information. Anyone interested in trying this approach? Ellen