----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <jnb05042000@yahoo.com> > They all seem to have been associated, though exactly how is not clear to > me. > > 4 Sept 1682, Surry County Records Book 1 and 2 page 321: > Estate of Lt. Coll. Geo. Jordan. In a list of 108 names is Richard Pace > followed by An Scorby, also on list Catrina Sorsby and Thomas Soworby. > > The will of George Jordan (1682) was witnessed by William Browne and > Robert Spencer. > > Robert Spencer was married to a Jane Browne. Spencer notes, although not Robert that I see.bbm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hemlockhill/Spencer.htm http://home.midsouth.rr.com/genealogy/newsom3.htm > Jane Browne Spencer married (2) Thomas Jordan, nephew of Col. George > Jordan. Two daughters, Jane and Mary. Mary married Francis Sowersby. > > Thomas Jordan married (2) Lucy Corker, daughter of the William Corker who > claimed a Richard Pace as headright. http://www.answers.com/topic/four-mile-tree I assume Jordan is also buried here as requested in his will. This would have been close to Paces Paines. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaschsm/surhist.html NOTES on Surry County http://www.2fools.net/book-0001/0013-0001.html "The preponderance of evidence indicates that Henry Brown acted as guardian for the Jordan Children." .......................... Henry Browne was an early immigrant to Virginia and as a member of the Virginia Council was involved in the politics of Virginia from 1634 to 1662. Governor Argall in 1619 defined the Four Mile Tree (Four miles from Jamestown upriver) as the farthest limits of Jamestown. Henry Browne patented his plantation there on the southside of the James River purchasing portions of it from the heirs of John Smith. He was a member of the Virginia Council in intervals from 1634 to 1662 and a vestryman of Southwarke Parish, Surry County Virginia, in 1661. Southside Virginia Families, Volume I, by John Bennet Boddie, Pacific Coast Publishers, Redwood City, California, 1955. .............. Chippokes Plantation State Park is located off Virginia State Highway 10 in Surry County, Virginia. Chippokes Plantation was established in 1619 by Captain William Powell of the Jamestown Settlement in the Virginia Colony. > It's beginning to seem to me very likely that some of the records in Surry County which mention "Richard Pace" could refer to the Richard Pace who was claimed as a headright by William Corker. > James I don't know how this RICHARD PACE of Surry Co fits in but I think somehow we need to divide the entries for Prince George and Surry into two camps. The RICHARD PACE of Pr. Geo. had a certain group of folks around him on documents as well as physical land area. The RICHARD PACE of Surry had entirely different folks on his documents. When I have time I'll look back and see what happens in Brunswick, Greenville, & even Isle of Wight to the (ID)folks on the documents there. NC also needs to be looked at. Keep in mind that Richard Pace was only named as a "headright", which only shows he came to VA at that time or before. It doesn't say it was the first time in VA. Regards, Becky > --- Joyce <joy_harr@swbell.net> wrote: SEE PREVIOUS POST FROM JOYCE....

This has been an interesting discussion and I hope it continues. I haven't researched the Virginia Paces yet so most of this information is new to me. Both James and Becky have brought up a very *important* concept. It is very important to research the associates - besides the extended family - to sort out entries so they can hopefully be assigned correctly to the right people. Most often it is the neighbors and associates that will provide the evidence, often indirectly, that will answers questions. Many wrong conclusions in genealogy in general have been made in the past because research has not included the associates- but often just the direct family line of interest, ignoring even the siblings and their families. Individuals generally did not move around by themselves, especially in these early times. They moved with extended families (including inlaws with different surnames) and close neighbors. Life on the frontier - in early Virginia all of it was the "frontier" - was difficult and dangerous so you moved with those you knew. The early Richard Pace of North Carolina, for example, should be able to be identified by some of his associates there. It would be expected that some of his associates in North Carolina were associates he knew before he showed up in the North Carolina records - whereever it may be that he came from. But if the only names that are researched in the records are Paces, we probably won't get any farther than we are now. We need to research the individuals and families associated with the Paces as well. Rebecca Christensen Becky Mosely <beckymosely@comcast.net> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" > They all seem to have been associated, though exactly how is not clear to > me. > I don't know how this RICHARD PACE of Surry Co fits in but I think somehow we need to divide the entries for Prince George and Surry into two camps. The RICHARD PACE of Pr. Geo. had a certain group of folks around him on documents as well as physical land area. The RICHARD PACE of Surry had entirely different folks on his documents. When I have time I'll look back and see what happens in Brunswick, Greenville, & even Isle of Wight to the (ID)folks on the documents there. NC also needs to be looked at. Keep in mind that Richard Pace was only named as a "headright", which only shows he came to VA at that time or before. It doesn't say it was the first time in VA. Regards, Becky

--- Becky Mosely <beckymosely@comcast.net> wrote: > Spencer notes, although not Robert that I see.bbm > No. This is running into some of my other lines of descent and getting quite confusing. The following will probably not be of general interest but I'm trying to get them all straightened out in my head. 1672 - Wm. NEWSOM, aged about 24, saith about 3 years ago Roger RAWLINGS desired him to go with him to John Kindred's place to fetch a heifer sd Kindred had given his daughter Betty - did fetch it RAWLING'S did mark it; Heifer did remain a certain time in "My FATHER WATKINS," his pasture, etc.. *Surry County Records, Book II, 1671-1684, p. 16 William Newsome is brother-in-law to Roger Rawlings. Roger Rawlings is attorney to William Briscoe. Robert Spencer and William Newsome are both mentioned in the will of Capt. George Watkins, Lawnes County, will proved 24 Oct 1673. Robert Spencer is also one of the appraisers of the estate (sworn before Col. Geo. Jordan). Capt. Watkins was married to Gertrude, fourth wife of William Newsome Sr (father of the William Newsome who is mentioned in the will of Capt. Watkins). The younger William Newsome married Anne Shephard, granddaughter of William Spencer who came on the Susan Constant. However, I can't find any connection between Robert Spencer and the William Spencer family. I'm inclined to think he must have been unrelated. (Mary Newsome, who around 1747 married Silas Pace, was the great great granddaughter of William Newsome Sr, and the great great great granddaughter of William Spencer.) James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com