In a message dated 6/21/2006 2:05:17 PM Central Standard Time, BetinFL@aol.com writes: What about the child Sara Maycock age 2, who lived with the Family of Roger Smith? That is a mystery. Betty, et al....this is redundant, but hopefully it MAYsolve your mystery. The following, through trial & error, is what Jim & I worked up and agree on. Please, please tell me you all agree....I would hate to have to take this back to the drawing board again. Jim & I both got headaches over this. Conversely, I am still opened for correction. From my notes section: Sources of Documentation: 1. March 22, 1621 = factual date of the Jamestown Indian Massacre based on Old Julian Calendar used during this time: NOTE: The following Order was written March 4, 1622, however it states Massacre occurred 22 day of March last. From The Library of Congress web site: _http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj8&fileName=mtj8pagevc04.db&recNum=57_ (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtj8&fileName=mtj8pagevc04.db&recNum=57) The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 8. Virginia Records Manuscripts. 1606-1737. Susan Myra Kingsbury, editor: Records of the Virginia Company, 1606-26, Volume IV: Miscellaneous Records, Image 58 - page 40 CCXCII. Governor in Virginia. Order to Keep the 22d. of March Holy. March 4, 1622/3 Manuscript Records Virginia Company, III, pt. ii, p. 51a Document in Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. List of Records No. 417 By the Governor and Capt generall of Virginia In consideration of Gods most mercifull delivrance of so many in this Countrie of Virginia from the treachery of the Indians on the 22th day of March last: The Governor wth the advice of the Counsell of State hath thought it very fitt, that the 22th day of March both this prsent yeare and for ever herafter (in memory of that great prservation) be in this Countrie celebrated Holy: And therefore doth straightly charg and Comand, Capt Willm Tuckar, that he, and all other that are any way undr his charge, do keep that day holy, spending the same in prayer thanksgiveing to God, and other holy exercises; not suffering any of them to worke, as he will answer the contrary at his perill. Given at James Cittie the 4th day of March 1622. The like (mutatis mutandis) to the Comander of each Plantation. Francis Wyatt Kathlynn comments: The following facts have to be kept in mind in order to prevent one from instantly thinking that Sarah Maycock born 1622/23 [based on the fact she is found at age 2 on January 29, 1624/25 VA Musters] cannot possible be the daughter of Samuel Maycock who was killed March 22, 1621/22 in the Indian Massacre. Factually, these dates are correct, but they don't make sense unless one realizes: 1. The Old Julian Calendar dates were used during this time frame when the year began on March 25 and continued to March 25 of the following year. In 1752 the current Gregorian Calendar was adopted and a year was changed from January to January. 2. Volume year dates such as March 5, 1623/24 offer both the Old Julian year date and the New Gregorian year date and the volume dates are used only for the months of January 1 to March 25. 3. There was only three days [not a year] between the above dates March 22, 1621/22 and March 25, 1622/23. It is interesting to note that a child born anytime during January 1621 up to March 25, 1622 would be only be a few months older than a child born on or after March 25, 1622 [not a year or more older}. Another interesting fact: A child born March 24, 1621 would be only 1 day older than one born 25 March 1622. 4. Apparently Sarah's mother, Mrs. Samuel Maycock, was pregnant with Sarah at the time Samuel was killed, and Sarah could have been born just a few months later. 5. The Indian Massacre occurred March 22, 1621 AKA March 22, 1621/22. Most web sites and published books claim the Massacre date as March 22, 1622 [per Gregorian calendar]. This is incorrect and what causes difficulty when trying to make other document dates fit. In reference to Sarah muster dates information and father Samuel's massacre death date, regardless of which date is used they all fit perfectly, i.e., IF you use Julian dates consistently [or Gregorian dates consistently]. 6. You CANNOT make dates fit if you use a Julian date from one document and a Gregorian date from another. Recap using both Julian/Gregorian calendar dates: Samuel killed March 22, 1621/22. Sarah was age 2 on January 29, 1624/25 muster = born 1622/23. 6/18/2006 Jim > _jim@williamson-clan.com_ (mailto:jim@williamson-clan.com) writes: Kathlynn, I think we are saying the same thing. I think I just got mixed up swapping calendars back and forth. To keep me from becoming befuddled again, I am strictly using Julian calendar only and working backward: January 29th, 1624 Muster taken - Sarah has passed her second birthday but not yet attained her third January 29th, 1623 Sarah is past her first birthday but not yet attained her second. January 29th, 1622 Sarah has not reached her 1st birthday, but would have been born. Conclusion: It is possible then, for Sarah to have been born prior to the massacre on March 22nd, 1621, but no earlier than January 30th, 1621. Kathlynn comments: I agree! It is done, it is finished, it is sealed....and I have entered daughter Sarah's born date as Bet. January 30, 1621/22 & March 22, 1621/1622. However, I have not carved in stone yet....so if anyone disagrees, please inform me. ~Kathlynn~

Did not the massacre occur on a "fateful friday?" Have you checked the day of the week as well as the numerical date? On Jun 21, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Kathlynn3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/2006 2:05:17 PM Central Standard Time, > BetinFL@aol.com writes: > > What about the child Sara Maycock age 2, who lived with the Family > of Roger > Smith? That is a mystery. > Betty, et al....this is redundant, but hopefully it MAYsolve your > mystery. > The following, through trial & error, is what Jim & I worked up > and agree on. > Please, please tell me you all agree....I would hate to have to > take this > back to the drawing board again. Jim & I both got headaches over > this. > Conversely, I am still opened for correction. > > From my notes section: > > Sources of Documentation: > 1. March 22, 1621 = factual date of the Jamestown Indian Massacre > based on > Old Julian Calendar used during this time: NOTE: The following > Order was > written March 4, 1622, however it states Massacre occurred 22 day > of March last. > > From The Library of Congress web site: > _http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage? > collId=mtj8&fileName=mtj8pagevc04.db&recNum=57_ > (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage? > collId=mtj8&fileName=mtj8pagevc04.db&recNum=57) > The Thomas Jefferson Papers Series 8. Virginia Records Manuscripts. > 1606-1737. Susan Myra Kingsbury, editor: > Records of the Virginia Company, 1606-26, Volume IV: Miscellaneous > Records, > Image 58 - page 40 > CCXCII. Governor in Virginia. Order to Keep the 22d. of March Holy. > March 4, 1622/3 > Manuscript Records Virginia Company, III, pt. ii, p. 51a > Document in Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. > List of Records No. 417 > By the Governor and Capt generall of Virginia > > In consideration of Gods most mercifull delivrance of so many in this > Countrie of Virginia from the treachery of the Indians on the 22th > day of March > last: The Governor wth the advice of the Counsell of State hath > thought it very > fitt, that the 22th day of March both this prsent yeare and for > ever herafter > (in memory of that great prservation) be in this Countrie > celebrated Holy: > And therefore doth straightly charg and Comand, Capt Willm Tuckar, > that he, and > all other that are any way undr his charge, do keep that day holy, > spending > the same in prayer thanksgiveing to God, and other holy exercises; > not > suffering any of them to worke, as he will answer the contrary at > his perill. > Given at James Cittie the 4th day of March 1622. > The like (mutatis mutandis) to the Comander of each Plantation. > Francis Wyatt > > Kathlynn comments: The following facts have to be kept in mind in > order to > prevent one from instantly thinking that Sarah Maycock born 1622/23 > [based on > the fact she is found at age 2 on January 29, 1624/25 VA Musters] > cannot > possible be the daughter of Samuel Maycock who was killed March 22, > 1621/22 in > the Indian Massacre. Factually, these dates are correct, but they > don't make > sense unless one realizes: > > 1. The Old Julian Calendar dates were used during this time > frame when > the year began on March 25 and continued to March 25 of > the following > year. In 1752 the current Gregorian Calendar was adopted and a > year was > changed from January to January. > 2. Volume year dates such as March 5, 1623/24 offer both the > Old Julian > year date and the New Gregorian year date and the volume dates are > used only > for the months of January 1 to March 25. > 3. There was only three days [not a year] between the above > dates March > 22, 1621/22 and March 25, 1622/23. It is interesting to note that > a child born > anytime during January 1621 up to March 25, 1622 would be only be > a few > months older than a child born on or after March 25, 1622 [not a > year or more > older}. Another interesting fact: A child born March 24, 1621 > would be only 1 > day older than one born 25 March 1622. > 4. Apparently Sarah's mother, Mrs. Samuel Maycock, was pregnant > with Sarah > at the time Samuel was killed, and Sarah could have been born just > a few > months later. > 5. The Indian Massacre occurred March 22, 1621 AKA March 22, > 1621/22. > Most web sites and published books claim the Massacre date as > March 22, 1622 > [per Gregorian calendar]. This is incorrect and what causes > difficulty when > trying to make other document dates fit. In reference to Sarah > muster dates > information and father Samuel's massacre death date, regardless of > which date is > used they all fit perfectly, i.e., IF you use Julian dates > consistently [or > Gregorian dates consistently]. > 6. You CANNOT make dates fit if you use a Julian date from one > document > and a Gregorian date from another. > Recap using both Julian/Gregorian calendar dates: Samuel killed > March 22, > 1621/22. Sarah was age 2 on January 29, 1624/25 muster = born > 1622/23. > > 6/18/2006 Jim > _jim@williamson-clan.com_ (mailto:jim@williamson- > clan.com) > writes: Kathlynn, I think we are saying the same thing. I think I > just got > mixed up swapping calendars back and forth. To keep me from > becoming befuddled > again, I am strictly using Julian calendar only and working backward: > January 29th, 1624 Muster taken - Sarah has passed her second > birthday but > not yet attained her third > January 29th, 1623 Sarah is past her first birthday but not yet > attained her > second. > January 29th, 1622 Sarah has not reached her 1st birthday, but > would have > been born. > Conclusion: It is possible then, for Sarah to have been born prior > to the > massacre on March 22nd, 1621, but no earlier than January 30th, 1621. > Kathlynn comments: I agree! It is done, it is finished, it is > sealed....and > I have entered daughter Sarah's born date as Bet. January 30, > 1621/22 & > March 22, 1621/1622. > > However, I have not carved in stone yet....so if anyone disagrees, > please > inform me. > > ~Kathlynn~ > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: > www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America > for only $25.00 per year. >