FTDNA is now offering Deep Clade haplogroup tests for group R1b at a cost of $79.00. I have not had time to fully absorb the meaning of deep clade tests, but I do not believe they would help with Pace genealogy. They seem to have more to do with where you are placed on the larger human family tree. Perhaps Rebecca or someone else can check this out and provide a better explanation. FTDNA's explanation is at http://www.familytreedna.com/(cod4gzvx45mzjqficbvasdqe)/deepclade.html and you can click to the Rib chart from that page. FTDNA has changed our R1b designations to R1b1. Again I'm not fully cognizant of what this implies, but the chart on the above page differentiates this designation from the rest. This includes most Paces except John of Middlesex descendents. Kit 26541, claiming descent from Edmund Pace/Sarah Walker, has submitted a lineage, as follows: 0. Donor 1 Father 2. Robert True Pace, born 8/20/11, died 7/15/69; married Essie Woodruff 3. Robert Vernon Pace, born 12/15/1883, died 10/31/71; married Arvie South 4. David Nathan Kosciusko Pace, born 10/11/1855, died 6/14/46; married Martha Martin 5. Albert Pace, born 6/16/1827, died 12/27/1905, married Eliza Jane Belue (2nd wife: Mary Jane Adams) #2 is buried in Alcorn Co., Miss.. Numbers 3,4, and 5 are buried in Tishomingo Co., Miss. I am not sure why the lineage does not go back to Edmund and Sarah, but that was the original information that I had. Roy Johnson