Gordon W. Pace wrote: > Roy: > It is interesting that Frederick was a rather rare given name for Paces in early America. In addition to Frederick Pace b. abt 1768, supposed son of John Pace and Sarah Burgh, there is Frederick b. 1791 SC, grandson of John Pace and Sarah Burgh through their son William. > The only other Frederick Pace I know of born before 1800 was Frederick Pace b. 1779, son of Darius Pace b. abt 1750 (NC?) and Dorothy Raines, b. abt 1760 - guess where _WALES! > I wonder how common the given name Frederick was in Wales at that time. Also, has anyone looked for Paces in Parish Registers and other genealogical information from Wales in the mid-1700's. If there were Paces there it would seem they should have left some records. > Gordon W. Pace The Church of Wales did not allow LDS people to microfilm their parish registers so we do not have easy access to Welsh records. Occasionally, Shropshire records did include some adjacent Welsh records. The following may be a clue, of Welsh influence, for what it's worth. Charles Hartley wrote 17/10/2003: [PACE-L] The 2 Thomas Nunn Paces Let's see if I can help separate the two Thomas Nunn Paces... The first Thomas Nunn Pace, son of William Ingram Pace, married Docia Williams. She died on 3 May 1841. He is identified in the following census records: In the 6th generation after John of M is found 6 Cadwalador Pace - 6 M, KY CADWALLADER is usually a Welsh surname 1 JOHN PACE of Middlesex County VA 2 JOHN PACE - b abt 1696 MIDDLESEX Co VA d 25 Nov 1734 MIDDLESEX Co + ELIZABETH MONTAGUE - b 1699 ESSEX Co VA 3 WILLIAM PACE b abt 1724 Middlesex Co.Va d abt 1799 Henry Co.Va. + SUSANNA WEST b 1726 Cellar Creek Va wed abt 1749 Amelia Va 11 children 4 LANGSTON PACE born 1770 best friend of his nephew WILLIAM INGRAM PACE + AMELIA "MILLIE" NUNN m 1796 1880 Federal Census: Kentucky Metcalfe County, Edmonton, page 171B 5 THOMAS N. PACE, Father W Male W 69 KY At Home VA, VA The second Thomas Nunn Pace, who married Mary Amanda Anderson (5 Oct 1832), is shown in the two following census records: * 6 Abner H. Pace - 10 M, KY * 6 George W. Pace - 8 M, KY * 6 Cadwalador Pace - 6 M, KY * 6 Anabella Pace - 4 F, KY * 6 Mary R. Pace - 6/12 F, KY > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> > Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:25 PM > To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Frederick Pace of Wales and Occams Razor > > I did a study on the Pace name in Wales. Can't recall all sources but I > found that : (1) Pace is not a Welsh name; it is English. The Welsh were > Gaelic and tended to resist English things. (2) There are Paces living in > Wales but they are few in number and appear to be of pretty recent origin. > > This doesn't prove anyting one way or another, but all facts should be > brought in. > > Roy Johnson > = PACE Mailing List ==== I believe seeing the given name Cadwalador Pace, there would very likely be some Welsh influence to be found somewhere in this family. In my records, I have Cadwallader (surname) married a PACE of Blackburn, Lancashire. This Cadwallader originated from a Welsh parish adjacent to Shropshire. Some of this PACE family went to Australia. Although this PACE family was from Lancs. it was connected to Paces of Gloucestershire. I'm in touch with several descendents in Australia; hopefully, some interesting PACE movements may become known. GTPace - Canada