Further to talk about suspected Paces from Wales: CADWALLADER PACE was a child in a PACE family I believe from Appalachia, somewhere. This is a Welsh name for sure, but first: I wrote a lenghy piece the other night about how the WELSH PATRONOMIC Naming System described by the BBC-WALES web site may have effected some of our Welsh PACE mysteries but it got lost in the dial-up "technology." Today I'm in Calgary, with this "high-speed wonder" so I'll try again in brief. My ancestor, as far back as I could determine, was ROWLAND Pace, in the 1st decade of the 1600s. According to the Parish register microfilm for Saint Chad's Church at Prees, Shropshire ROWLAND Pace had several children whose given names seemed to stay in the PACE family, generation after generation. It seemed that Rowland may have had a brother GRIFFITH PACE. This chap had a daughter, DOROTHY - the name was spelled differently - which may have something to do with the Welsh language being used in that part of Shropshire - Welsh Marches area. Anyway, at Rowland's time, the Welsh Patronomic naming system would likely have been in effect, so just what could Rowland's parentage surname be then? Perhaps a parent with the surname ROWLAND would be the place to look in the PRs. I was just visiting a Welsh friend (from south Wales) in Vancouver area and we got talking about the naming system. Dave seemed to understand the naming system and to explain it. So, I'm left to wonder about ROWLAND Pace's father being possibly of the ROWLAND surname. Then there was the GRIFFITH Pace. Some years ago I was contacted by an Ed Griffith of Aurora, Ontario who'd found my web site and said he had PACE ancestry. His GRIFFITH ancestry came from Wrexham, Wales. This is only about 15/20 mile north/west of Prees. His PACE ancestry he said was from Northumberland in the N/E of England. Ed Griffith seems to have passed on. I wonder if his DNA results would have told us something. Well I did have a look at the DNA results of MADDOCK donors; they did have the same numbers as our John of Middlesex line. Joe said the haplogroup in that area of the UK was very common. The 'ap' in the Welsh language means 'son of' and that seemed to be the important feature of naming in the Welsh language, that effected what surname you went by. Another question may be 'At what time, in what family, did the naming system change to the so called 'English system' as the BBC-WALES site? It took place between the 1500s and 1800s but in rrrural and isolated parts of the Welsh mountaind, the old naming system went on into the 1800s. Anyway, something to think about. GTPace