Lois and others: I have a searchable record of the Cherokee Dawes Rolls, as well as other Cherokee rolls on a CD. If anyone would like me to look for someone on this CD please let me know. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]> >Sent: Sep 7, 2008 5:16 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] Hartwell Pace and application for membership in Cherokee nation > >I Believe that Betty Pace posted a list of the Dawes Roll? on the Pace >list. So maybe if you search the Pace list for her >Postings or look for Hartwell Pace you will find it. > > > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove >[email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in >touch! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM >Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended > > >> I'm trying to piece together some information from my memory--I found by a >> desktop google search on my desktop (older) computer that Hartwell Pace in >> Missouri applied for membership in the Cherokee Nation because there was >> some kind of monetary or land distribution or something. I remember also >> that Bruce Howard said a lot of people tried to get in on this. Hartwell's >> application was denied. So there was more than popularity involved, there >> was a pecuniary reason for having Indian blood. Wish I could get it >> straight >> in my mind or find it--it's a very fuzzy recollection. >> >> Roy Johnson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf >> Of Janders 45 >> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:31 PM >> To: Jackie Pace; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended >> >> Jackie, >> >> Prior to the Indian removal to Oklahoma in the 1830's, I suspect that our >> ancestors (certainly those on the frontier) were a lot more inclined to >> kill >> Indians than they were to marry or intermate with them, especially during >> the Revolution and the War of 1812 when so many Indians sided with the >> British or saw the war as an opportunity to chase the white men off their >> land. But after the Indians were gone and no longer a threat, our good >> Christian ancestors started to feel badly about what they had done to the >> poor Indians. Thus began the "noble red man" legend. After a while, >> having >> Indian blood became a mark of distinction rather than the taint that it >> had >> been before the Indian removal. Those of us with dark hair and with a >> complexion a bit darker than the norm could get away with the claim, and >> many had a grandmother or g-grandmother about whose ancestry little was >> known. So, the assumption might have been: "She must have been part >> Indian >> - that must be where we got! >> >> our black hair." After a generation or two, this possibility began to be >> passed down in the family as fact. >> Remember that there was an alternate explanation for darker than usual >> coloration in a family, and especially in the South, having Indian blood >> was >> a lot more socially acceptable than that other alternative. Anyway, >> that's >> my theory about why so many of us have Indian ancestry. Mind you, I >> recognize that some of us actually DO have Indian blood. But I suspect >> that >> this number is only a small fraction of the ones who "think" that they >> have >> Indian ancestry. >> >> Just my opinion, for what it's worth. >> Joe >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows >> Live. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 >> 8:07 PM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com