On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:21:26 -0500, Roy Johnson wrote > Just browsing through the charts, and I noticed this interesting > line of Paces. They go back to North Carolina but show a distinct > difference from the other NC Paces and in fact are in Haplogroup 1 > as are the John of Middlesex Paces. These Paces, however, have too > many differences to be John of M related. Roy, William Durien "Hilliard" Pace b.Feb 22, 1885 d. Sept 17 1965 M. Marth Alice Hatten b. April 5 1890 d. Dec 10 1966 Just from memory, I remember a "Hilliard" connected to a PACE from London, Eng. and something to do with a ship captain (of Jamaica, I think) and a will after a death of the captain. I think the Captain's name was Lancelot Pace. There was some talk on the Pace list from American folks that figured they were descendents of this London family. I hade some detail of the London family on a web page of a London parish register. Not really certain if what I had was the same family but the details were found and up to anyone to interpret them. Also this HATTON (MAY HAVE a connection to PACE, this way - suggestion) is a surname from The Gloucestershire PACE family that goes way back to the 1600s and my maternal side, BENNETT, HAYES, HATTON, which also connects to a PACE family from around Dymock & Newent, Gloucestershire which is near-by to Westbury upon Severn, GLS. (which may be connected to the Shropshire PACE "migration from Westbury upon Severn, GLS) If you look on my Gloucestershire PACE web page, you'll see the descendency and how HATTON connects to PACE in Gloucestershire. Some of these GLS PACE folk connect to Durham (NW Eng) then to north Wales, Lancashire, Australia. Several folks of this group inter-connection have written to me over the years. Recently, I wrote a couple articles on the early (1600s) PACE family of Prees, SAL. and how the Welsh Patrononomic naming system may have affected the ROWLAND and GRIFFITHS PACE families of my ancestry. I descend from Rowland Pace. The message did not show up on the Pace list so I re-wrote it again, from memory. The 2nd message did not show on the Pace list. Since this was a major work and difficult to keep trying to reproduce, I just gave up on the Pace list. I have some Welsh friends still in British Columbia and was discussing how the Welsh system of naming may have affected the PACE family of ROWLAND, which I descend from and the DNA relationship to that of the Maddock family from the same Shropshire parishes as PACE around 1600. The DNA for PACE and MADDOCK have the same alleles in the DNA results. Anyway, to sum this up, Dave Daniels, my Welsh friend from university days, had some interesting opinions. I can't go into it all again as it's too much work to not show on the list. It does point to the realization of how some early Shropshire/Welsh Marches families, in the same parishes, may actually be the same families, irregardless of what the established surnames are today. You have to have an understanding of the Welsh Naming System. It may take some time to "grasp" this old fashioned system. Dave seemed to have a good understanding of this. GordP