Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Dear Gordon: There have been quite a few Pace descendants accepted into the Jamestown Society. We have some of the applications used in the Society records. Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon W. Pace Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My understanding is that the Jamestowne Society does not accept the lineage you suggest as being proven. The only document linking "Richard II" to those sons that you cite is the Winifred Aycock Lane letter, the memory of an old lady as told to her by her mother. She states that a Richard Pace of Virginia was her ancestor, but the problem is that there were THREE Richard Paces in Virginia at that time, so which one was it? There are no birth records of any of Richard IIs children, no official documents linking the sons that you cite to Richard. DNA evidence shows that the descendents of these Paces are related to one another, but that still doesn't prove which of the three Richards thy might have descended from. Also, they are divided into groups 3a and 3b; are BOTH groups descended from Richard, or is one group possibly descended from a relative of Richard, maybe even back in England? For the Winifred Aycock Lane letter, see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/documnts/aycock.htm For the several Richard Paces, go to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/miscpaces.htm Some records seem to indicate that there were at least two planters named Richard Pace, in addition to a servant Richard Pace and others. This is why the Jamestowne Society won't accept this lineage. It has long been an assumption of the Pace Society, but there is a gap in the records and this lineage does not have documentation of the type acceptable to the society. I don't recall the details, but I believe there has been some discussion on the list that at least one of these "sons of Richard II" was actually a son of George Pace. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon W. Pace Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Any Jamestown Society Paces? Recently I was asked if any people with the Pace surname have been accepted as members of the Jamestown Society through their Pace surname. My recollection is that none have, although some may have become members through other surnames, such as, perhaps, Woodliefe. If this is true it is very surprising to me as it seems to me that most of the descendancy of the Paces of Jamestown is fairly well established. Richard Pace of Jamestown was b. abt 1580 in Wapping, England and d. 1625 in Jamestown. He married Isabella Smythe who was b. 1589 in England. Their only known child was George pace b. 1609, Wapping, England, d. 1652 in Charles City Co, VA who m. Sarah Maycock in 1637 in Jamestown. Their only son who had children was Richard Pace b. 1637, undoubtedly in Jamestown as he was born the same year his parents were married. There is no record that George ever left Jamestown. Richard (b. 1637) m. Mary Baker in 1661 in Charles City Co, VA. Of their sons, Richard, Thomas, George, James and John, Sr., Richard, James, and John, Sr. had many children, who are probably the progenitors of the thousands of Paces in America who descend from this family. By 1668 Richard (b. 1637) had moved his family to the Sowerby (or Sorsby) Plantation in Southwarke Parish, Surry Co, VA. In my opinion over half of the Paces in America in the 19th century were descendants of the Paces of Jamestown. From what I have seen, it appears that many of the lineages of living Paces have been well established back to the Paces of Jamestown. I guess the question is, what are the criteria needed to confirm a descendancy from the Paces of Jamestown. It is interesting that, in the Pace DNA Study, in Groups 3a and 3b, there are 34 DNA tests which have very closely or exactly matching results, which indicate a convergence on Richard Pace of Jamestown and his son George. Most of the submitters of the DNA tests have ancestries which appear to trace back to the Paces of Jamestown. I wonder if the Jamestown Society will ever accept the results of DNA studies as a criterion for inclusion in the Society. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1712 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 9:41 AM