Rebecca, Let me see if I have this straight. Are you saying that if the Native American ancestry is in the female line, that there will be no signs of it in the Pace DNA test? My Alsey Pace (s/oStephen Pace, s/o John the Tory) had a Native American mother. My brother David took the short DNA test (#19490) and we fit into the Richard & Isabel Pace line. My brother did have one marker that was not typical -- could that reflect our Native American gggggrandmother? Betty Pace On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0800 (PST) Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> writes: > The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to > determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the > same path on the pedigree chart as the surname. So, if a Pace had > Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, > etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, > then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would > indicate Native American ancestry. But the Y-chromosome testing > that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on > your pedigree. > > Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your > mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom > branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial > DNA testing (mtDNA). But it wouldn't tell you about any Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines. > > To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in > the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants > among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for > the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for > the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly > paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly > female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American > ancestry. It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal > DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native > American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past > few generations. > > So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has > "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace > surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not > Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the > Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry. He > would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his > male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname > line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line > back to a Cherokee ancestress. Then the cousin could be tested for > Native American ancestry. > > Rebecca Christensen > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > wrote: > From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:40 PM > > Lois: > In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, > about 3% or > more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test > match most of > the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I > know that > there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are > either > distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far > as I know, > are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. > Gordon W. Pace > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Bills adding up? Click here for free information on payday loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aOs0ZXrAygV3SsqrmsfrML1Sw2qZ0xJfYZEprZWo1itmQ/

Betty,    If there is Native American ancestry in a female line, it will not show up in the DNA test for the Pace surname (male) line DNA test.  That test (the Y-DNA test) only tests the DNA of the male line that passes down the surname from generation to generation- the very top line on your pedigree chart, father to son.   It will show **absolutely nothing** about the DNA on any of the other lines on your pedigree chart.   No, the marker result difference in the DNA test with Pace Group 3 results has absolutely nothing to do with Native American ancestry.   The marker result difference is just a very small copying change that has happened in the DNA through the generations - it just happens.   The small DNA marker changes are what allows us to sometimes separate different branches of the same family - such as the Group 3a and Group 3b split, for example.   If you wanted to test for Alsey Pace's mother's Native American DNA you would have to test a descendant of Alsey's SISTER (a female) who shared his same mother assuming he had one, and then follow the line of descendants through females down to today - or if his mother had known sisters, you could test a descendant of his mother's sister through the strictly female line down to today.  This would be a mtDNA test not the Y-chromosome test that is used in the Pace surname project.   In general, while this is more difficult to find the right participant for the mtDNA testing of a particular female line, it has been done in many instances.  It is also possible sometimes to find the results of female lines that have been tested by the Sorensen Molecular Genealogical Foundation (www.smgf.org) without having to find a participant yourself.  I have found the mtDNA results for several of my female lines in their online public database, without having to try to find an appropriate participant.    Rebecca Christensen --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA testing and Native American ancestry To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 8:45 AM Rebecca,   Let me see if I have this straight. Are you saying that if the Native American ancestry is in the female line, that there will be no signs of it in the Pace DNA test?   My Alsey Pace (s/oStephen Pace, s/o John the Tory) had a Native American mother.  My brother David took the short DNA test (#19490) and we fit into the Richard & Isabel Pace line.  My brother did have one marker that was not typical -- could that reflect our Native American gggggrandmother?   Betty Pace   On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:41:01 -0800 (PST) Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> writes: > The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to > determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the > same path on the pedigree chart as the surname.   So, if a Pace had > Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, > etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, > then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would > indicate Native American ancestry.   But the Y-chromosome testing > that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on > your pedigree. > > Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your > mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom > branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial > DNA testing (mtDNA).  But it wouldn't tell you about any Native > American ancestry on any of your other lines. > > To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in > the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants > among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for > the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for > the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly > paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly > female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American > ancestry.       It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal > DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native > American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past > few generations. > > So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has > "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace > surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not > Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the > Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry.   He > would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his > male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname > line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line > back to a Cherokee ancestress.  Then the cousin could be tested for > Native American ancestry. > > Rebecca Christensen