I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is concerned, this would be quite possible. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA. This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged. The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM
I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, Frederick Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral chart point of view. The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, but the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that relationship. To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, the nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, and Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" that these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy pointed out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged." Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> Of Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the Tory" as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 PM> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go—take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/
Thanks for the heads up. Don't know where Ic ame up with Spencer. Roy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592 I see one error in the chart - Spencer should be Dempsey. Yes, Frederick Pace of Wales is alive and well, at least from a family tree/ancestral chart point of view. The DNA results only indicate that it is highly probable that the five individuals tested have a common male ancestor at some point in time, but the DNA results alone can't speak to the exact nature of that relationship. To determine this, we have to rely on other sources and, fortunately, the nature of the relationship of the three Clarke Co Paces, William, John, and Dempsey, is rather well documented. The DNA evidence does not "prove" that these old sources are true, but the evidence is consistent with the old sources, so it does suggest that they are likely to be true. As Roy pointed out, we can now be confident that the father of these Paces "was not "John the Tory" as has been alleged." Joe Anderson > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:17:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > I just re-read Bob Webb's commentary that at least one of these persons> might be a brother of Frederick rather than a son. The DNA would results> would neither prove nor disprove that belief. As far as the DNA is> concerned, this would be quite possible.> > Roy> > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf> Of Roy Johnson> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:57 PM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Wales group kit 126592> > The results on this kit are interesting and relevant to further> understanding this group. With results in for the three sons of the believed> Frederick, we now have a perfect 37/37 match for two of the sons, William> and Spencer, and a 25/25 match for two of the four descendents of John. This> would make it likely that we have 37 markers of the DNA of the fathers of> these sons, and virtually certain that we have 25 markers of his DNA.> > > > This group seems very firmly established. Too bad we can't find any> documentary records on the father, but we can be sure that he was not "John> the Tory" as has been alleged.> > > > The chart is at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Walesetc.htm> > > > Roy Johnson> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in> the subject and the body of the message> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008> 7:56 PM> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go-take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM