Lois: In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, about 3% or more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test match most of the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I know that there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are either distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far as I know, are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Oct 27, 2008 12:58 AM >To: Lois Long Carey <[email protected]>, [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces > >Lois Long Carey wrote: > >> Are there any Paces in the >> Society with Cherokee ancestry who have done the DNA test? Is there DNA >> different from others? >> Anyone with Pace ancestry should be welcomed to the Society .They may >> possibly solve many questions. >> If my Canadian friend is a subscriber to this list. I would love to hear >> from her and whether she ever did get a relative >> to do the test. Do you know,Gordon in Canada? She brought pictures of her >> relatives in the USA who were black, >> but she looks as white as anyone I know. > >Yes, I subscribed her onto the Pace list myself. She has recognised many >of the Pace family names from your ancestry and connected them with an >ancestral chart from her family. More work needs to be done on this. > >This is an interesting case but it seems to involve some kind of >political cover-up from the Jefferson era. > >I was expecting to see someone of colour when I went to visit Barb Danby >at Waterloo, Ontario. I read with her the book about Thomas Jefferson >from the Waterloo Library. > >It mentioned HENRY PACE editor of the National or US Gazette had >disclosed information, I think about JEFFERSON. HENRY PACE was beaten or >roughed up for doing so. Afterwards, MERIWETHER LEWIS was killed, >Shortly after being appointed Governor of the Louisiana Territory. >(Murdered or suicide) Was Lewis' death to do with being appointed >governor of the Louisiana Territory or something else. He was called >back from St. Louis to take this posting, if I remember correctly. > >The episode of HENRY PACE seemed to possibly have a connection to the >LEWIS death. Does anyone know more about HENRY PACE, his ancestry? > >These facts likely have a connection to Barb Danby's ancestry and why >she can't put a handle on some of it. > >There are historical situations that are difficult to explain, >especially when political skullduggery seems to be involved and I've >read enough essays that indicate. > >Barb Danby has intense JOHNSON connections and was in close contact with >a JOHNSON researcher in New England. JOHNSON is intricately involved >with PACE ancestry, as we know, in those VA counties of your ancestry. > >In Ontario we had the terminus of the Underground Railway and it >continued on to Montreal. Many coloured folk came here to Ontario and >American bounty hunters came up to kill them if they couldn't take them >back to the US. Some American bounty hunters, much hated in Ontario, >were killed themselves. > >The Americans were much hated in colonial Upper Canada (Ontario) and the >blacks of emancipation were very much welcomed. Then the American Irish >or Fenian Raids of 1837 were beaten back. This is why many of Scott >Aaron's United Empire Loyalist Paces left Ontario and returned to the >US. Much hard feeling still exists today here in Ontario. In Ontario we >have some interesting Colonial Heritage TV programmes that go deeply >into this so we don't forget easily. I've recorded many. This is where >American History differs depending on what side of the border it's >taught. Anyway, so much for that, but I believe some of this had an >effect on Barb Danby's ancestry and why William Chastain Captain went to >Canada between 1837-1842 and was sent some kind of pension to keep the >family members in Canada so they might not be killed as so many fleeing >folk were, before or after they made it to Canada. > >Could it be Barb Danby's ancestor connected to Monticello was from >Cherokee background instead of black. As you say, Lois, some Cherokee >were considered black, probably for the land grab in Tennessee. These >people would look white so they had to be made to look otherwise, >politically. > >Consider Will Rogers from Claremore, Oklahoma wasn't he Cherokee. I >visited the museum with Ivan Pace in July. He had a way of talking about >politics. Truly a great man and respected everywhere. He also looked as >white as anyone. Maybe Barb Danby's people were Cherokee and some were >black and the Cherokee were considered black and made to look that way >for the land grab in Tennessee and then the Trail of Tears. > >There is much on the Creek-southeast Rootsweb list. Some of my ARCH >family went there from England in colonial days. Also came across some >PACES on that list. GTP > >>>From some notes from her. >> William Chastain Captain went to Canada between 1837-1842 >> With him was a Lucy Ann White b, June 16, 1827 in Charlottesville or >> Staunton,Va >>>From more notes from her there seems to be a connection to William Moment >> Pace b. 1806 and Dicy King >> The approx. location of the land that the Captain Children inherited is 130 >> acres at Cuffey's Creek >> In her notes are also the following Virginia family names, >> Meriwether >> Anderson >> Lewis >> Henry Pace(editor of the" Gazette of the United States"- broke the news on >> Oct. 13, 1802 that >> Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a slave( Slly Hemmings) >> Henry Pace's partner was found floating in the river after the story broke. > >Also wasn't Meriwether Lewis found floating in a river, thought to have >been murdered or suicide? GTP > >> Ann Meriwether Johnson( from her Captain line) had a second marriage to John >> Cosby. >> This is of particular interest to me as the lady who lived with my Pace >> family was Fannie Cosby( wife of Edw.Cosby) >> >> >> Lois Carey > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

The DNA tests being used for the surname groups can be used to determine if there is Native American ancestry - but ONLY on the same path on the pedigree chart as the surname.   So, if a Pace had Native American ancestry on his father's father's father's father's, etc., line - the same line as the surname usually is passed down, then the Y-chromosome DNA testing should give a result that would indicate Native American ancestry.   But the Y-chromosome testing that is done for surname groups cannot tell you about Native American ancestry on any of your other lines that would show up on your pedigree. Likewise, if you wanted to test for Native American ancestry on your mother's mother's mother's mother, etc. line - down the very bottom branch of your pedigree chart, you could do so with mitochondrial DNA testing (mtDNA).  But it wouldn't tell you about any Native American ancestry on any of your other lines. To find out about the other lines of your pedigree (everything in the middle on the pedigree chart) you need to find participants among your extended family - cousins that fit the qualifications for the 1st two tests - either a cousin with the surname of interest for the line where Native American ancestry is suspected in the strictly paternal line or a cousin who is a descendant through a strictly female line from the ancestress of suspected Native American ancestry.       It is also possible in some cases to have autosomal DNA testing indicate Native American ancestry, but the Native American ancestry needs to be fairly recent - within the recent past few generations. So for the example indicated by Gordon W. Pace, although he has "substantial Cherokee blood" in his ancestry, because his Pace surname line following the surname back up the pedigree chart is not Native American, the Y-chromosome DNA test he took as part of the Pace DNA project will not show his Native American ancestry.   He would need to find a cousin who either has the surname of one of his male Cherokee ancestors where the Cherokee passes down the surname line or a cousin who is a descendant of the strictly female line back to a Cherokee ancestress.  Then the cousin could be tested for Native American ancestry. Rebecca Christensen --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gordon W. Pace <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Alabama Paces To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 7:40 PM Lois: In response to your question, I have substantial Cherokee blood, about 3% or more and have done the Pace DNA test. The results of my DNA test match most of the Paces who trace their ancestry to Richard Pace of Jamestown. I know that there are several other Paces who have Cherokee ancestry who are either distantly related or unrelated to me. The DNA test results, as far as I know, are not capable of indicating a Cherokee bloodline. Gordon W. Pace