Some time ago someone posted a link to a database with the names of two military Paces in the 1300s. I decided to research further the times and circumstances and see if I could "flesh out" these two Paces, give the historical circumstances of their times, and perhaps speculate on what military engagements they may have been involved in. I put this on the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/EarlyPacesinEngland/ The original file was found at http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/search_musterdb.php Perhaps Gordon would want to link to this file on the Pace Society page or put the entire thing on the society page. Roy Johnson

Roy Johnson wrote: > Some time ago someone posted a link to a database with the names of two > military Paces in the 1300s. I decided to research further the times and > circumstances and see if I could "flesh out" these two Paces, give the > historical circumstances of their times, and perhaps speculate on what > military engagements they may have been involved in. I put this on the Pace > Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/EarlyPacesinEngland/ > The original file was found at > http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/search_musterdb.php > > Perhaps Gordon would want to link to this file on the Pace Society page or > put the entire thing on the society page. > > Roy Johnson Sounds like a good idea, I'll make up a new page on the site. I may need help collecting the info you mention as I searched all three catagories at the above site and no PACE came up but I may have enough from your post. I can add the Thomas Pace of Southampton, Holbury and Beaulieu c. 1500-1559 or later as sent me by the archivist of Beaulieu Abbey. Your mention of naval activity is appropriate here as Beaulieu is situated south of Southampton in the 'New Forest' another Royal Forest where trees were used to build ships of the Royal Navy. The port of Buckler's Hard is noteworthy here. from Beaulieu (Hampshire) archives: Notes from The Waterside Association (no references given) In 1533 the manor of Holbury, east of Beaulieu, and belonging to the Abbey, was leased to the Pace family. Thomas Pace of Southampton (there were Paces living in the Bitterne area of the town around 1500) may have been a nephew of Thomas Skevington, Abbot of Beaulieu and Bishop of Bangor. (the following may sound confusing, with other facts we've learned of Richard Pace the Dean of St. Pauls). After receiving legal training, he acted as an intermediary between Cardinal Wolsey and the Bishop of Bangor re: a Richard Pace, possibly another member of the family. Richard was a leading scholar used by Henry VIII in diplomatic missions, but had unfortunately become mentally ill and put in the Bishop’s care by Wolsey. Thomas Pace leased the manor of Cadland [SE of Holbury and Beaulieu] in 1546, which was sold to his daughter Alice, wife of George Powlett, after the death of the owner, the 1st Earl of Southampton in 1550 (he also owned Beaulieu). He became a burgess of Southampton and owned a house in the town by 1550. Pace’s will, dated 10th September 1559, refers to his “new house at Holbury”, suggesting he carried out building work. Augmentations Office; Miscellaneous Books, Public Record Office E315/239/79ff 06-04-1521 Thomas Pace and another appointed to various offices in lands near the River Avon on the Hampshire-Wiltshire border 22-06-1521 Thomas Pace one of the Keepers of the Abbey’s deer parks at the Park of Througham, Beaulieu 30-09-1531 Thomas Pace and another appointed stewards of Northleigh, Oxfordshire 06-02-1534 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury; he is described as the son of John & Alice Pace of Holbury 01-03-1537 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury 27-08-1537 Thomas Pace and another held offices in Faringdon annuity 20-09-1537 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury 20-09-1539 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes lodging or house within the Abbey It was aforesaid above that this 'New Forest' was a Royal Forest and used exclusively for the building Royal navy ships of the day so when combined with: "01-03-1537 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury" - He must have been rather influential, rich or both. Public Record Office E117/14 (36/1/4/6) 08-05-1538 Indenture by John Freeman (commissioner for taking down lead and bells of Beaulieu Abbey) recording certification by Thomas Pace. Letter from Pace explaining his part in the certification 20-06-1556 Hampshire Record Office 5M53 10-05-1530 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesforde Lodging (no. 67) 20-01-1535/6 Thomas Pace & others [churchwardens ?] leasing the Crosshouse near the Mill Pond (no. 68) Beaulieu: King John’s Abbey by Dom Frederick Hockey 20-11-1537 Thomas Pace recorded as being owed £99 by Beaulieu Abbey [Public Record Office SC 6/Hen. 8/7417] 20-12-1541 Thomas Pace presented Thomas White, probably a former monk of Beaulieu Abbey, to the living of Newchurch, Isle of Wight 30-04-1542 Thomas Pace leasing St. Leonard’s, Beck, Gins, Warren and Sowley Pond, all on the Beaulieu Estate [Hampshire Record Office 5M53/766] There are actually two men by the name of Thomas Pace connected with Beaulieu Abbey - one the Abbot of Beaulieu and Bishop of Bangor (in north WALES, also has a university), whom we refer to as Thomas Skevington, to make our life easier! It was the Cistercian custom to name monks after their place of origin, in this case, Skeffington in Leicestershire. Another Thomas Pace, possibly his nephew, was involved in Beaulieu affairs from the 1520's. The ruined abbey of Beaulieu is the main connection with Thomas Skevington at Beaulieu today; although he is said to have been buried in the Church, no location has been found. There is however, a small reminder in the Lower Drawing Room of Palace House (one the Great Gatehouse to the Abbey) - during rebuilding work in the 1870's, the present Lord Montagu's grandfather and his architect, Sir Arthur Blomfield wanted to reflect the religious origins of the site and building, and took the decision to include small stained glass shields in the windows. One of those chosen was Thomas Skevington's arms of the see of Bangor, seen to the right of the Beaulieu Abbey arms. also of interest: THE PACE PEDIGREE that Noble Hamilton Pace and myself have says: (interesting story on it's origins and how Noble and myself came across this document but another story) Maybe this should be available in the PACE BOOKSTORE. It is on page 3 of Noble Pace's book and I've posted it from my PACE-WEBBER copy at: http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/noble.htm along with some notes on the originator of the 1911 letter, from Charles L. Pace to Edward A. Pace, containing the pedigree. Who was CHARLES L. PACE? - I found him in the 1881 census of Britain. The 1881 census shows CHARLES PACE of Heaton Lancashire (near Southport), born Whitchurch, Shropshire. Dwelling: Markland Hill, Heaton, Lancashire Charles PACE 35 born Whitchurch, Shropshire Occ Gardener Domestic Elizabeth PACE 32 Wife born Llanfyllin, Montgomery, Wales Elizth. Jane PACE 4 Daur born Heaton, Lancashire The Edward A. Pace is possibly from my family but I'm not certain, my family had the pedigree and the name Edward Arthur Pace is in my family but these facts I can not ascertain. The story on how Noble Pace aquired the letter is a credible path of migration of related ADAMS relatives from the UK to the US. Anyway, enough said, here is the wording of the pedigree: A JOHN PACE of LEICESTERSHIRE, is recorded as being the father of THOMAS and JOHN PACE. JOHN Sr. was married to MARGARET COLBY, daughter of WILLIAM COLBY and ALICE HOUGHTON COLBY, and granddaughter and heiress of HUGH HOUGHTON de HOUGHTON. JOHN Jr. was married to ALICE READE, daughter of RICHARD READE. Gord Pace Ontario,Can. see BEAULIEU site http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/beaulieu/index Beaulieu, one of the South of England’s top day visitor attractions, is set in the heart of the New Forest, the UK’s newest National Park. Beaulieu is a guaranteed great family day out with lots for everyone to enjoy including the world famous National Motor Museum, Palace House, home of the Montagu family, and historic Beaulieu Abbey. It is located within easy reach of the popular tourist destinations of Bournemouth, Southampton and Winchester.

Roy Johnson wrote: > Some time ago someone posted a link to a database with the names of two > military Paces in the 1300s. I decided to research further the times and > circumstances and see if I could "flesh out" these two Paces, give the > historical circumstances of their times, and perhaps speculate on what > military engagements they may have been involved in. I put this on the Pace > Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/EarlyPacesinEngland/ > > The original file was found at > > http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/search_musterdb.php > > Perhaps Gordon would want to link to this file on the Pace Society page or > put the entire thing on the society page. > Roy, I'm working on putting together some pages as a sort of teaching-aid which has some pages that advance automatically. The French-English relationship and rivalry is a part of history that often gets overlooked or poorly understood. So far, I have a few pages but will add as more as needed, and as you may want to suggest, to 'bring these early Paces to life.' As you know, many French spellings still exist in the English speaking world, such as honour, harbour, neighbour, centre, very popular even today outside the US and it was said the French language was the official language in England for 600 years after William the Conquerer came to England. To see what I've got done so far you can go to the site map part of http://www.pacesociety.org/psanews.html#first and click under words 'SITE MAP' on the link "Early Paces of the 1300s by Roy Johnson" or click on http://www.pacesociety.org/reunion/1300s.htm Gord