The DNA site is in need of an overhaul but I just haven't had time to get it done. Check out the chart again; I did make some quick changes to the Burrell listing. I changed it to Burrell/John/Sarah. I need to recheck the groupings and also reorganize the Donors page to put the sub groups together and maybe set up a menu at the top. Keep in mind that the listing submitted by each donor is just a click away from the chart by clicking the kit number. But I agree that more information on the chart itself would help, and I'll work on it. I will be happy to add Rebecca's chart to the DNA pages, and add the other donors that she says are not in the charts. I will peck away at this as I have time. Unfortunately I will be on the farm for five weeks in December-January with poorer Internet access and less time. Your suggestions for improvements are welcome; I already have some in mind. Thanks for this interchange. All things can improve. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Christensen Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:52 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA    Many of the Group 3a results are not labeled under the earliest proven ancestor but rather  the common ancestor from whom the participants descend.  For example, William Pace (wife Ruth Lambert) is not the earliest known ancestor for the line.  He is the son of William Pace (Sr.) - from a multitude of records, although there is no one "single" document that provides direct evidence, but there is a multiplicity of records that provide indirect evidence of the father/son relationship and their relationship to the Lamberts.   William Pace's brother George is listed in William (Sr.)'s will along with the other children from William (Sr's) second marriage.  We have a DNA participant from George that is listed separately on the DNA chart online from the William Pace/Ruth Lambert line results, but George and William share the same father. All of the William Pace/Ruth Lambert results are listed with William Pace/Ruth Lambert as the *common* ancestor not *earliest* ancestor. We also have results through more than one son of William Pace and Ruth Lambert which is also not obvious from the chart.     I never use the charts on the public PSA website for DNA interpretation - there just isn't enough lineage information on the same page as the DNA results to really interpret the DNA results to full advantage.  I'm for adding more lineage identification rather than making it more generic and losing the information that we currently have showing the common ancestor of a group - such as the Burrell label for the participants who descend from Burrell.  If there is currently a Burrell participant with the generic John/Sarah label, it would be better to label it Burrell rather than changing all of the Burrell group to John/Sarah. Rebecca Christensen --- On Sat, 11/21/09, John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> wrote: From: John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA To: pace@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:11 AM I was under the impression the chart was labeled & grouped to display the earliest proven ancestor, i.e. for my line Jesse Pace, since no proof exists showing who Jesse's parents were. I have no problem with either method; however, consistency would be nice. There is another Burrell descendent, #88349, listed under John & Sarah and not with the other Burrell group. John Pace -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Christensen" <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:25 AM To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA > I'm not sure what you mean by listed separately and not grouped with the > John/Sarah results.   The chart as I see it this morning has the Burrell > results listed right below the generic listings of the John and Sarah > results.  The ones labeled Burrell are much more informative than the > generic "John/Sarah" labelled results.  It is important to know which son > of a particular common ancestor that each participant descends through to > be able get the most of the DNA results. In fact, it is important to know > exactly where each of the lineages branch from a common ancestor for > correct DNA results interpretation. That is why I first created my > separate spreadsheets of DNA results to help with the interpretation of > the results.   The generic labels of William/Lambert and Richard/Cain and > the Jesse labels hide necessary information for correct DNA > interpretation.  For example, the generic labels for the Jesse? lineage > hide the fact that the **DNA results** > can be used to prove descent from Richmond Pace versus descending from his > brothers Simeon or John.  There is a DNA change that occurred with > Richmond Pace that his brothers do not have.  Through a very careful > selection of participants, this DNA change has been proven to have > occurred with Richmond Pace and not more recently.  To show that > information, it is important to show that the two Richmond Pace > participants are descendants of two of his sons  - John R. and William. > So the labels should be Jesse?-Richmond-John R and > Jesse?-Richmond-William - not the generic Jesse.  This important discovery > was found through the hard work of Darlene to find the 2nd participant > through a different son of Richmond Pace as we were trying to determine > whether the DNA change occurred with Richmond Pace or at a more recent > generation.   This result was not found "by accident" but by finding an > appropriate second test participant for the line for testing. > > The spreadsheets I have been creating and posting on a yearly basis are > presented each year at the Pace reunion and published in the fall > quarterly.  They are also available separately in the members only area of > the PSA website (in the Bulletins section) for download which is the > easiest way to read them as they are pdf files and can be zoomed in/zoomed > out.  I don't have any problem with the spreadsheets being posted on the > public Pace DNA website, they just have never been placed on that website. > There are also additional DNA results from the William Pace/Ruth Lambert > line that are included on my spreadsheets but not included with the FTDNA > results on the PSA page.  These results are for participants who tested at > SMGF rather than FTDNA. > > Rebecca Christensen > > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> wrote: > > From: John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> > Subject: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA > To: Pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 8:30 AM > > I was reviewing Pace DNA chart on the Pace website and noticed that > Burrell Pace descendents are listed separately from John and Sarah Pace of > Surry, NC. It is my understanding that Burrell is a proven son of John and > Sarah, so I was wondering if anyone on the list knows of any reason that > Burrell descendents should not be grouped with John and Sarah Pace for the > purpose of simplification. > Thanks > John Pace > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Roy, your changes were helpful. John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roy Johnson" <royj@webster.edu> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:33 PM To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA > The DNA site is in need of an overhaul but I just haven't had time to get > it > done. Check out the chart again; I did make some quick changes to the > Burrell listing. I changed it to Burrell/John/Sarah. I need to recheck the > groupings and also reorganize the Donors page to put the sub groups > together > and maybe set up a menu at the top. Keep in mind that the listing > submitted > by each donor is just a click away from the chart by clicking the kit > number. But I agree that more information on the chart itself would help, > and I'll work on it. > > I will be happy to add Rebecca's chart to the DNA pages, and add the other > donors that she says are not in the charts. I will peck away at this as I > have time. Unfortunately I will be on the farm for five weeks in > December-January with poorer Internet access and less time. Your > suggestions > for improvements are welcome; I already have some in mind. Thanks for this > interchange. All things can improve. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Rebecca Christensen > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:52 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA > > Many of the Group 3a results are not labeled under the earliest proven > ancestor but rather the common ancestor from whom the participants > descend. For example, William Pace (wife Ruth Lambert) is not the > earliest > known ancestor for the line. He is the son of William Pace (Sr.) - from a > multitude of records, although there is no one "single" document that > provides direct evidence, but there is a multiplicity of records that > provide indirect evidence of the father/son relationship and their > relationship to the Lamberts. William Pace's brother George is listed in > William (Sr.)'s will along with the other children from William (Sr's) > second marriage. We have a DNA participant from George that is listed > separately on the DNA chart online from the William Pace/Ruth Lambert line > results, but George and William share the same father. All of the William > Pace/Ruth Lambert results are listed with William Pace/Ruth Lambert as the > *common* ancestor > not *earliest* ancestor. We also have results through more than one son of > William Pace and Ruth Lambert which is also not obvious from the chart. > I never use the charts on the public PSA website for DNA > interpretation > - there just isn't enough lineage information on the same page as the DNA > results to really interpret the DNA results to full advantage. I'm for > adding more lineage identification rather than making it more generic and > losing the information that we currently have showing the common ancestor > of > a group - such as the Burrell label for the participants who descend from > Burrell. If there is currently a Burrell participant with the generic > John/Sarah label, it would be better to label it Burrell rather than > changing all of the Burrell group to John/Sarah. > > Rebecca Christensen > > > > --- On Sat, 11/21/09, John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> wrote: > > From: John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 11:11 AM > > I was under the impression the chart was labeled & grouped to display the > earliest proven ancestor, i.e. for my line Jesse Pace, since no proof > exists > > showing who Jesse's parents were. I have no problem with either method; > however, consistency would be nice. There is another Burrell descendent, > #88349, listed under John & Sarah and not with the other Burrell group. > > John Pace > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rebecca Christensen" <rchristen@sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 11:25 AM > To: <pace@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA > >> I'm not sure what you mean by listed separately and not grouped with the >> John/Sarah results. The chart as I see it this morning has the Burrell >> results listed right below the generic listings of the John and Sarah >> results. The ones labeled Burrell are much more informative than the >> generic "John/Sarah" labelled results. It is important to know which son >> of a particular common ancestor that each participant descends through to >> be able get the most of the DNA results. In fact, it is important to know >> exactly where each of the lineages branch from a common ancestor for >> correct DNA results interpretation. That is why I first created my >> separate spreadsheets of DNA results to help with the interpretation of >> the results. The generic labels of William/Lambert and Richard/Cain and >> the Jesse labels hide necessary information for correct DNA >> interpretation. For example, the generic labels for the Jesse? lineage >> hide the fact that the **DNA results** >> can be used to prove descent from Richmond Pace versus descending from >> his > >> brothers Simeon or John. There is a DNA change that occurred with >> Richmond Pace that his brothers do not have. Through a very careful >> selection of participants, this DNA change has been proven to have >> occurred with Richmond Pace and not more recently. To show that >> information, it is important to show that the two Richmond Pace >> participants are descendants of two of his sons - John R. and William. >> So the labels should be Jesse?-Richmond-John R and >> Jesse?-Richmond-William - not the generic Jesse. This important >> discovery > >> was found through the hard work of Darlene to find the 2nd participant >> through a different son of Richmond Pace as we were trying to determine >> whether the DNA change occurred with Richmond Pace or at a more recent >> generation. This result was not found "by accident" but by finding an >> appropriate second test participant for the line for testing. >> >> The spreadsheets I have been creating and posting on a yearly basis are >> presented each year at the Pace reunion and published in the fall >> quarterly. They are also available separately in the members only area >> of > >> the PSA website (in the Bulletins section) for download which is the >> easiest way to read them as they are pdf files and can be zoomed >> in/zoomed > >> out. I don't have any problem with the spreadsheets being posted on the >> public Pace DNA website, they just have never been placed on that >> website. > >> There are also additional DNA results from the William Pace/Ruth Lambert >> line that are included on my spreadsheets but not included with the FTDNA >> results on the PSA page. These results are for participants who tested >> at > >> SMGF rather than FTDNA. >> >> Rebecca Christensen >> >> >> --- On Sat, 11/21/09, John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> From: John <pjohndeb@verizon.net> >> Subject: [PACE] Burrell Pace DNA >> To: Pace@rootsweb.com >> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 8:30 AM >> >> I was reviewing Pace DNA chart on the Pace website and noticed that >> Burrell Pace descendents are listed separately from John and Sarah Pace >> of > >> Surry, NC. It is my understanding that Burrell is a proven son of John >> and > >> Sarah, so I was wondering if anyone on the list knows of any reason that >> Burrell descendents should not be grouped with John and Sarah Pace for >> the > >> purpose of simplification. >> Thanks >> John Pace >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >