Dear Roy, Thanks for your ongoing work on the DNA pages. I like what you are doing now. Concerning #35220 Wyche Pace in the 3b section: I believe he should be listed as son of Dempsey Pace of Haywood and Robertson Counties TN, and grandson of William and Sisley Walker Pace. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any direct evidence. If anyone has anything that would help, I would like to know. I thought several of us came to an agreement that Wyche was the son of Dempsey Pace, Dempsey Pace in turn son of William Pace and Sisley/Sesley/etc. Walker. Gordon W. Pace originally proposed this. We had been looking for the children of Dempsey Pace of Haywood County TN. Census records indicated he had a large family, but we had never located the names of the children. 1. Wyche was married in Hardeman County TN in 1836 to Matilda W. Kirk 21 Oct 1836, Hardeman borders the SE corner Haywood and Madison Counties TN 2. Wyche and Dempsey are both located in Choctaw County MS in 1840; 3. Still living in Mississippi in 1850, Wyche was in Carroll County while Dempsey was still located in Choctaw County. The counties bordered each other at that time. What convinced me we should place Wyche with Dempsey was the following: Wyche H. Pace born in Robertson County TN May 11, 1817; moved with parents to Haywood County TN, married Matilda W. Kirk......died 16 Jul 1851; 5 children. "Genealogical Abstracts from reported deaths in the Nashville Christian Advocate 1850-1851" The part of the above abstract that convinced me is the BIRTH of Wyche IN ROBERTSON COUNTY TN. To date no one has located any Pace in early Robertson County that was not a part of the family of William Pace married Sisley Walker. The early Haywood County Paces are descendants of William and Sisley. Of the Paces who lived in Haywood County, Dempsey seems to be the most likely father. Shirley Pace Graham In a message dated 12/1/2009 8:48:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, royj@webster.edu writes: I have been working on improving and better organizing the DNA charts. I have started with group 3, separating group 3a from 3b with a row showing the DYS numbers for easier reading, grouping the descendents from a common ancestor and using colors to separate them, and giving a more complete lineage in each case (thanks to Rebecca for the suggestion). This makes for easier analysis. For example, one interesting occurrence is in 15548 and 163053, both descendents of William Pace + Ruth Lambert and whose common ancestor is Harvey Pace. They both have a mutation in DYS 385a. It appears that this mutation occurred at Harvey Pace because (a) none of the other lineages up to and including Harvey's father have that mutation, and (b) these two lines diverge immediately after Harvey, so the mutation probably did not occur after Harvey. I say probably because there might be a rare case of two separate mutations after Harvey that just happened to coincide. However, this is helpful information. If we get more Harvey descendents through different sons, it would verify this hypothesis, and it could help to verify the lineage of some who might not be sure or even to provide a clue to the lineage of those who do not have a tree going back that far. I have received numerous suggestions on improving the pages, some worth following, some would not work. Quite a few came from a lady named Ellen. The discussion became so detailed that I did not feel it belonged on the list so I tried to go off list, but Ellen refused in a rather caustic posting that she does not do "back door" interchanges. She and I are both stubborn people and I will not discuss matters going into minute detail on the list, as I do not think it is pertinent to all on the list. So our collaboration is over, but I have filed the better suggestions and will act on some of them. The DNA pages have sort of "just grown" and can stand some reorganizing and clarifying. Doing so will take some time but I will peck away at it little by little. Glad to hear any suggestions. The changes are on the group 3 page at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm Have a look and give me your reactions. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message