--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> wrote: > James, >   I sure wish I could give constructive comments.  I > haven't generally researched the Paces this early, so am > unfamiliar with many of the names of others that you mention > but wish I was so I could follow where you are leading. It may lead nowhere. I'm just exploring, hoping to glean some clues as to the parents of John and Richard Pace who sold the land to Goodwyn in 1759. It appears to me, though I may be misinterpreting the records, that John Westhrope patented land near Wards Creek, some of which through various transactions came to belong to Francis Poythress, and some of which came to belong to George Blighton, father of Lydia Blighton Clements. George Blighton's share of the land, in the patent of 1686, is described as being near "the Southern Run". The land which Richard Pace and John Pace sold to Goodwyn in 1759 is described as being on the southwest side of the Southward Run. To me that suggests that the 16 acres being sold by Richard Pace and John Pace was near the land of George Blighton (which had originally been patented by John Westhrope in 1650), and therefore perhaps also near the land which Francis Poythress took up (which was originally part of the same John Westhrope patent). Therefore I wonder if some of the land which Richard Pace and a later Francis Poythress sold to a Goodwyn in 1718, might have been part of the Westhrope land. If so, might this tract of land subsequently have become called "Goodwins" and been sold to Lydia Blighton Clements in 1733, together with "a second plantation on which Lydia was then living". This line of reasoning, if borne out by the land descriptions, might suggest that John and Richard Pace were of the line of George Pace, eldest son of Richard and Mary. On the other hand, one of the witnesses to the sale of the 16 acres to Goodwyn in 1759 was Laurence Biggins, presumed to be the son of Arthur Biggins who in 1715 owned land bounding the land of James Pace. This might suggest that Richard and John Pace could have been of the line of James Pace. As I say, I'm exploring, rather than drawing any conclusions. James

richard pace iii born about 1663 in charles city , va and john pace born approx 1669 in charles city, va are the sons of richard pace ii born in charles city, va who was married to rebecca poythress ( her father was francis poythress) she was before rebecca cogan does this help any? my father was samuel pace jr who is the son of samuel m pace Sr who is son of richard randall pace who is son of dreadzil evans pace and so on thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> wrote: > James, > I sure wish I could give constructive comments. I > haven't generally researched the Paces this early, so am > unfamiliar with many of the names of others that you mention > but wish I was so I could follow where you are leading. It may lead nowhere. I'm just exploring, hoping to glean some clues as to the parents of John and Richard Pace who sold the land to Goodwyn in 1759. It appears to me, though I may be misinterpreting the records, that John Westhrope patented land near Wards Creek, some of which through various transactions came to belong to Francis Poythress, and some of which came to belong to George Blighton, father of Lydia Blighton Clements. George Blighton's share of the land, in the patent of 1686, is described as being near "the Southern Run". The land which Richard Pace and John Pace sold to Goodwyn in 1759 is described as being on the southwest side of the Southward Run. To me that suggests that the 16 acres being sold by Richard Pace and John Pace was near the land of George Blighton (which had originally been patented by John Westhrope in 1650), and therefore perhaps also near the land which Francis Poythress took up (which was originally part of the same John Westhrope patent). Therefore I wonder if some of the land which Richard Pace and a later Francis Poythress sold to a Goodwyn in 1718, might have been part of the Westhrope land. If so, might this tract of land subsequently have become called "Goodwins" and been sold to Lydia Blighton Clements in 1733, together with "a second plantation on which Lydia was then living". This line of reasoning, if borne out by the land descriptions, might suggest that John and Richard Pace were of the line of George Pace, eldest son of Richard and Mary. On the other hand, one of the witnesses to the sale of the 16 acres to Goodwyn in 1759 was Laurence Biggins, presumed to be the son of Arthur Biggins who in 1715 owned land bounding the land of James Pace. This might suggest that Richard and John Pace could have been of the line of James Pace. As I say, I'm exploring, rather than drawing any conclusions. James ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debbie and others, We have to be very careful to distinguish between theory and fact in citing these early Pace records. On the Pace Network I have a section called Problems and Controversies in Pace research, in which several competent Pace authorities state that (1) there is absolutely no firm evidence that Richard Pace married a Knowles or a Baker, although some genealogies cite one and some the other. (2) the Pace-Poythress marriage is also quite questionable. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/poythres.htm#boykin The above is a discussion of the Pace-Poythress controversy. This URL discusses the Baker-Knowles controversy: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/bkr_knwl.htm If there are no sources verifying an assertion, it cannot be cited as a fact. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of debbie pace Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:18 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 richard pace iii born about 1663 in charles city , va and john pace born approx 1669 in charles city, va are the sons of richard pace ii born in charles city, va who was married to rebecca poythress ( her father was francis poythress) she was before rebecca cogan does this help any? my father was samuel pace jr who is the son of samuel m pace Sr who is son of richard randall pace who is son of dreadzil evans pace and so on thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> wrote: > James, > I sure wish I could give constructive comments. I > haven't generally researched the Paces this early, so am > unfamiliar with many of the names of others that you mention > but wish I was so I could follow where you are leading. It may lead nowhere. I'm just exploring, hoping to glean some clues as to the parents of John and Richard Pace who sold the land to Goodwyn in 1759. It appears to me, though I may be misinterpreting the records, that John Westhrope patented land near Wards Creek, some of which through various transactions came to belong to Francis Poythress, and some of which came to belong to George Blighton, father of Lydia Blighton Clements. George Blighton's share of the land, in the patent of 1686, is described as being near "the Southern Run". The land which Richard Pace and John Pace sold to Goodwyn in 1759 is described as being on the southwest side of the Southward Run. To me that suggests that the 16 acres being sold by Richard Pace and John Pace was near the land of George Blighton (which had originally been patented by John Westhrope in 1650), and therefore perhaps also near the land which Francis Poythress took up (which was originally part of the same John Westhrope patent). Therefore I wonder if some of the land which Richard Pace and a later Francis Poythress sold to a Goodwyn in 1718, might have been part of the Westhrope land. If so, might this tract of land subsequently have become called "Goodwins" and been sold to Lydia Blighton Clements in 1733, together with "a second plantation on which Lydia was then living". This line of reasoning, if borne out by the land descriptions, might suggest that John and Richard Pace were of the line of George Pace, eldest son of Richard and Mary. On the other hand, one of the witnesses to the sale of the 16 acres to Goodwyn in 1759 was Laurence Biggins, presumed to be the son of Arthur Biggins who in 1715 owned land bounding the land of James Pace. This might suggest that Richard and John Pace could have been of the line of James Pace. As I say, I'm exploring, rather than drawing any conclusions. James ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1874 - Release Date: 1/4/2009 4:32 PM

There seems to be very firm evidence on some of those points. The wife of Richard Pace of Bertie Co. NC could NOT have been Rebecca Poythress, daughter of Francis and Rebecca Poythress. Prince George Co., VA Will & Deed Book 1710-1713 P. 70 - 10 Sep 1711 Rec 13 Sep 1711 "We, Charles Bartholomew & Rebecca Bartholomew, for love and affection to our daughter Anne Bartholomew, after our decease, give her 200A on both sides of Easterly Run in Westover Parish; being rest of 1000A granted to said Rebecca in her widowhood by escheat patent 29 April 1692; the moiety whereof is at present belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, and 300 more whereof is given by us to Rebecca POYTHRESS, by deed of gift to her this date. The said 200A is bounded by said Rebecca's 300A." P. 76 ibid "Charles & Rebecca Bartholomew of Prince George for love & affection to out daughter Rebecca POYTHRESS of same 300A. Quit rents to be paid by Charles & Rebecca for 2 years." That proves that Rebecca Poythress (daughter of Francis and Rebecca Poythress) was not the same person as Rebecca the wife of Richard Pace of Bertie Co. NC. So it's no longer a controversy. It's also been proved that Mary, wife of Richard Pace, was not Mary Knowles. See James Pace's posting of 15 June 2007, in which he shows that there were two different men named John Knowles in the area at the time, and neither had a daughter Mary. So that one, also, is no longer a controversy. That leaves the theory that Richard's wife Mary was a daughter of Richard Baker. This theory arises from the fact that in 1655, shortly before his death, Richard Baker made a deed of gift of 140 acres of land to Richard Pace. Personally, I have been somewhat doubtful of this, as it seems a slender hook, especially since Richard and Mary had already been married for at least three years when the deed of gift was made. However, coincidentally and as a result of a discussion elsewhere, today a scenario has occurred to me which could explain why the deed of gift was made when it was. Richard Baker's wife Ann mentions (in her petition to the Westover vestry, see http://searches2.rootsweb.com/th/read/PACE/2002-09/1032643426, also posted by James Pace), having "the charge of two children to maintaine". If these were children of Richard Baker's, and if one was a boy, by law that child would inherit all Richard Baker's property. So if Mary Pace really was Baker's daughter, and he realized he was soon going to die, that might be why he would give her husband a deathbed gift of land -- because he couldn't leave it as a legacy. Wholly theoretical, however. The maiden name of Mary Pace remains unproven. James --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 10:27 PM > Debbie and others, > > We have to be very careful to distinguish between theory > and fact in citing > these early Pace records. On the Pace Network I have a > section called > Problems and Controversies in Pace research, in which > several competent Pace > authorities state that (1) there is absolutely no firm > evidence that Richard > Pace married a Knowles or a Baker, although some > genealogies cite one and > some the other. (2) the Pace-Poythress marriage is also > quite questionable. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/poythres.htm#boykin > > The above is a discussion of the Pace-Poythress > controversy. > > > This URL discusses the Baker-Knowles controversy: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/bkr_knwl.htm > > If there are no sources verifying an assertion, it cannot > be cited as a > fact. > > Roy Johnson >

There is another interesting question regarding the land which Mrs Rebecca Poythress patented in 1692, and in 1711 deeded to her two (unmarried!) daughters. This, again, will be tedious to those who are not interested, for which my apologies. The land patented by Mrs Rebecca Poythress is described in the patent as escheated land being late in the tenure of Edward Ardington, dec'd (Land Office Patents No. 8, 1689-1695, p. 241). However, if we go back a few decades, we can see that the land which Mrs Rebecca Poythress patented in 1692 seems to have adjoined land which was patented by her late husband's father, also called Francis Poythress. On 8 May 1648, Francis Poythress (the father of Mrs Rebecca Poythress' husband) patented '750 acres in Charles City near the mouth of Baylie's Creek, adjoining land belonging to the orphans of Jenkins Osborne, bounded westerly by the lands of Thomas Baylie, "now in the tenure of John Butler", 350 acres formerly granted Jenkins Osborne and purchased by said Poythress of Jenkins Osborne'. (Land Office Patents No. 2, 1643-1651, p. 139) It looks like Mrs Rebecca Poythress may have been taking the opportunity, following the death of her husband, to obtain land in her own name in the vicinity where her in-laws were located. In 1648, at the time of Francis Poythress' patent, John Butler only had "tenure" of the land belonging to Thomas Baylie, but at some point in the next ten years he appears to have purchased the land. By 1658, Butler was dead. and his wife, now remarried, sold 150 acres to Edward Ardington: 5 Aug 1658 "This indenture made the third day of Aprill in the year of o'r Lord God 1658 betweene Mary West of Apamattock in the Com of Henrico widd formerly the relick &c of Jo. Butler chirurgeon deed of the one part and Edd Ardington of Jordans in the Com of Charles City of the other part". Mrs. West sells Ardington 150 acres at Baylyes Creek in the par. of Jordans. Bounded northerly by the creek, westerly by land of Wm. Reynes, southerly into the woods and easterly "on the land late in the tenure and cocupaeon of Wm. Worsuham", wch sd land did formerly belong to Mr. Thomas Bayly and was purchased of him by the sd John Butler deed." (Fleet, Charles City County court orders, 1658-1661) My question is: who was John Butler, chirurgeon, and was he related to (perhaps the father of?) the John Butler who married Mutus [unknown] Newhouse? Mutus [?] Newhouse Butler's stepson, also called John Butler, married Mary Wallace, daughter and heir (together with her sister Elizabeth who married George Woodlief) of James Wallace. The two sisters, together with Mary's husband John Butler, quit claim in 1713 to part of the land they inherited from their father: "Deed. John Butler & Mary my wife and Eliza Woodley, all of Prince George to Arthur Biggins, heir at law to Laurence Biggins, late of this county, dec'd we the said John Butler & Mary his wife, and Elizabeth Woodley, heirs at law of James Wallace, quit claim to 100 acres in Prince George bounded by Thomas Crooks, Baker's line, being part of land granted to Richard Baker and Patrick Jackson Jno Butler, Mary x Butler, Eliza Woodleif Wit: Fra: Mallory, Gilb. Hay Rec 11 May 1713" This Laurence Biggins would presumably have been the grandfather of the Laurence Biggins who witnessed the sale of 16 acres by Richard and John Pace to Goodwyn in 1759. Because of these connections, I would be interested to know more about the identity of John Butler, the chirurgeon, who died by 1658, and about the identity of his wife Mary West of Appomattox. If I have misinterpreted any of the above, I would be grateful for corrections. James --- On Tue, 1/6/09, James Blair <[email protected]> wrote: > There seems to be very firm evidence on some of those > points. The wife of Richard Pace of Bertie Co. NC could NOT > have been Rebecca Poythress, daughter of Francis and Rebecca > Poythress. > > Prince George Co., VA Will & Deed Book 1710-1713 > P. 70 - 10 Sep 1711 Rec 13 Sep 1711 > "We, Charles Bartholomew & Rebecca Bartholomew, > for love and affection to > our daughter Anne Bartholomew, after our decease, give her > 200A on both > sides of Easterly Run in Westover Parish; being rest of > 1000A granted to > said Rebecca in her widowhood by escheat patent 29 April > 1692; the moiety > whereof is at present belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, > and 300 more > whereof is given by us to Rebecca POYTHRESS, by deed of > gift to her this > date. The said 200A is bounded by said Rebecca's > 300A."

I wish I could help also. This is exactly the kind of research needed to establish a line from the southern Paces to Richard of Jamestown--so many of the submitted lineages simply assume it. James, I believe you have done more than anyone else on the list to establish a line through George as the oldest son of Richard and Mary. I am beginning a quest to better understand groups 3a and 3b, which I have mainly just left to the families to sort out. I have your email somewhere which established the best evidence for this George, and I have to go back and find it and post it somewhere as our only documentary evidence even suggesting what the relationship back to Richard of Jamestown could be. My compliments, and keep it up. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Blair Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> wrote: > James, >   I sure wish I could give constructive comments.  I > haven't generally researched the Paces this early, so am > unfamiliar with many of the names of others that you mention > but wish I was so I could follow where you are leading. It may lead nowhere. I'm just exploring, hoping to glean some clues as to the parents of John and Richard Pace who sold the land to Goodwyn in 1759. It appears to me, though I may be misinterpreting the records, that John Westhrope patented land near Wards Creek, some of which through various transactions came to belong to Francis Poythress, and some of which came to belong to George Blighton, father of Lydia Blighton Clements. George Blighton's share of the land, in the patent of 1686, is described as being near "the Southern Run". The land which Richard Pace and John Pace sold to Goodwyn in 1759 is described as being on the southwest side of the Southward Run. To me that suggests that the 16 acres being sold by Richard Pace and John Pace was near the land of George Blighton (which had originally been patented by John Westhrope in 1650), and therefore perhaps also near the land which Francis Poythress took up (which was originally part of the same John Westhrope patent). Therefore I wonder if some of the land which Richard Pace and a later Francis Poythress sold to a Goodwyn in 1718, might have been part of the Westhrope land. If so, might this tract of land subsequently have become called "Goodwins" and been sold to Lydia Blighton Clements in 1733, together with "a second plantation on which Lydia was then living". This line of reasoning, if borne out by the land descriptions, might suggest that John and Richard Pace were of the line of George Pace, eldest son of Richard and Mary. On the other hand, one of the witnesses to the sale of the 16 acres to Goodwyn in 1759 was Laurence Biggins, presumed to be the son of Arthur Biggins who in 1715 owned land bounding the land of James Pace. This might suggest that Richard and John Pace could have been of the line of James Pace. As I say, I'm exploring, rather than drawing any conclusions. James ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1874 - Release Date: 1/4/2009 4:32 PM

george pace born about 1667 in charles city, va is the 2nd eldest son of richard pace ii and mary knowles. my father is samuel m pace jr who is son of samuel m pace sr who is son of richard randall pace who is son of dreadzil evans pacewho is son of william pace who is son of drury pace who is son of richard pace iv who is son of richard pace ii richard pace iii had brothers names george, james, thomas and john. also had sisters named elizabeth, ann, and sarah . this richard pace iii married rebecca poythress. i also have a brother who samuel maurice pace iii and he has a son who is samuel maurice pace iv(beau pace) does this help anyone. this is from family records ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 I wish I could help also. This is exactly the kind of research needed to establish a line from the southern Paces to Richard of Jamestown--so many of the submitted lineages simply assume it. James, I believe you have done more than anyone else on the list to establish a line through George as the oldest son of Richard and Mary. I am beginning a quest to better understand groups 3a and 3b, which I have mainly just left to the families to sort out. I have your email somewhere which established the best evidence for this George, and I have to go back and find it and post it somewhere as our only documentary evidence even suggesting what the relationship back to Richard of Jamestown could be. My compliments, and keep it up. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Blair Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Rebecca Christensen <[email protected]> wrote: > James, > I sure wish I could give constructive comments. I > haven't generally researched the Paces this early, so am > unfamiliar with many of the names of others that you mention > but wish I was so I could follow where you are leading. It may lead nowhere. I'm just exploring, hoping to glean some clues as to the parents of John and Richard Pace who sold the land to Goodwyn in 1759. It appears to me, though I may be misinterpreting the records, that John Westhrope patented land near Wards Creek, some of which through various transactions came to belong to Francis Poythress, and some of which came to belong to George Blighton, father of Lydia Blighton Clements. George Blighton's share of the land, in the patent of 1686, is described as being near "the Southern Run". The land which Richard Pace and John Pace sold to Goodwyn in 1759 is described as being on the southwest side of the Southward Run. To me that suggests that the 16 acres being sold by Richard Pace and John Pace was near the land of George Blighton (which had originally been patented by John Westhrope in 1650), and therefore perhaps also near the land which Francis Poythress took up (which was originally part of the same John Westhrope patent). Therefore I wonder if some of the land which Richard Pace and a later Francis Poythress sold to a Goodwyn in 1718, might have been part of the Westhrope land. If so, might this tract of land subsequently have become called "Goodwins" and been sold to Lydia Blighton Clements in 1733, together with "a second plantation on which Lydia was then living". This line of reasoning, if borne out by the land descriptions, might suggest that John and Richard Pace were of the line of George Pace, eldest son of Richard and Mary. On the other hand, one of the witnesses to the sale of the 16 acres to Goodwyn in 1759 was Laurence Biggins, presumed to be the son of Arthur Biggins who in 1715 owned land bounding the land of James Pace. This might suggest that Richard and John Pace could have been of the line of James Pace. As I say, I'm exploring, rather than drawing any conclusions. James ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1874 - Release Date: 1/4/2009 4:32 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you but it wasn't I who identified George as being the probable eldest son of Richard and Mary. It was probably Boddie, or perhaps Jester & Hiden. James --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:43 PM > I wish I could help also. This is exactly the kind of > research needed to > establish a line from the southern Paces to Richard of > Jamestown--so many of > the submitted lineages simply assume it. James, I believe > you have done more > than anyone else on the list to establish a line through > George as the > oldest son of Richard and Mary. I am beginning a quest to > better understand > groups 3a and 3b, which I have mainly just left to the > families to sort out. > I have your email somewhere which established the best > evidence for this > George, and I have to go back and find it and post it > somewhere as our only > documentary evidence even suggesting what the relationship > back to Richard > of Jamestown could be. My compliments, and keep it up. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of James Blair > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard > Pace 1759 > > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Rebecca Christensen > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > James, > >   I sure wish I could give constructive comments.  I > > haven't generally researched the Paces this early, > so am > > unfamiliar with many of the names of others that you > mention > > but wish I was so I could follow where you are > leading. > > > It may lead nowhere. I'm just exploring, hoping to > glean some clues as to > the parents of John and Richard Pace who sold the land to > Goodwyn in 1759. > > It appears to me, though I may be misinterpreting the > records, that John > Westhrope patented land near Wards Creek, some of which > through various > transactions came to belong to Francis Poythress, and some > of which came to > belong to George Blighton, father of Lydia Blighton > Clements. > > George Blighton's share of the land, in the patent of > 1686, is described as > being near "the Southern Run". The land which > Richard Pace and John Pace > sold to Goodwyn in 1759 is described as being on the > southwest side of the > Southward Run. To me that suggests that the 16 acres being > sold by Richard > Pace and John Pace was near the land of George Blighton > (which had > originally been patented by John Westhrope in 1650), and > therefore perhaps > also near the land which Francis Poythress took up (which > was originally > part of the same John Westhrope patent). > > Therefore I wonder if some of the land which Richard Pace > and a later > Francis Poythress sold to a Goodwyn in 1718, might have > been part of the > Westhrope land. If so, might this tract of land > subsequently have become > called "Goodwins" and been sold to Lydia Blighton > Clements in 1733, together > with "a second plantation on which Lydia was then > living". > > This line of reasoning, if borne out by the land > descriptions, might suggest > that John and Richard Pace were of the line of George Pace, > eldest son of > Richard and Mary. > > On the other hand, one of the witnesses to the sale of the > 16 acres to > Goodwyn in 1759 was Laurence Biggins, presumed to be the > son of Arthur > Biggins who in 1715 owned land bounding the land of James > Pace. This might > suggest that Richard and John Pace could have been of the > line of James > Pace. > > As I say, I'm exploring, rather than drawing any > conclusions. > > James > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1874 - Release > Date: 1/4/2009 > 4:32 PM

Other information on George II An interesting wikipedia article about the Blackwater River and George II: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_River_(Chowan_River) George Pace (Richard, George, Richard) patented land around the Blackwater in the 1680s. This river leads pretty well straight to the area of land where Richard Pace of Bertie Co. had his dealings. The wikipedia article confirms this. "The Blackwater River was a transportation route in the 17th and 18th centuries, connecting the Chesapeake Bay settlements with the Albemarle Settlements. It was one of the few rivers of colonial Virginia that did not empty into Chesapeake Bay yet lay close to the colony's oldest settlements on the James River. Settlements in the Blackwater's drainage basin were founded very early in Virginia's history. As a result, the Blackwater River became one of the early migration routes southward from the James River into the region then called Southside Virginia, and beyond into the Albemarle District of Carolina (later North Carolina). Today's usual definition of Southside (Virginia) differs somewhat from that of colonial times." This could be a connection to how Richard of Bertie Co. ended up where he did. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 Thank you but it wasn't I who identified George as being the probable eldest son of Richard and Mary. It was probably Boddie, or perhaps Jester & Hiden. James --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Roy Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Roy Johnson <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard Pace 1759 > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:43 PM > I wish I could help also. This is exactly the kind of > research needed to > establish a line from the southern Paces to Richard of > Jamestown--so many of > the submitted lineages simply assume it. James, I believe > you have done more > than anyone else on the list to establish a line through > George as the > oldest son of Richard and Mary. I am beginning a quest to > better understand > groups 3a and 3b, which I have mainly just left to the > families to sort out. > I have your email somewhere which established the best > evidence for this > George, and I have to go back and find it and post it > somewhere as our only > documentary evidence even suggesting what the relationship > back to Richard > of Jamestown could be. My compliments, and keep it up. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of James Blair > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] The PG land sold by John and Richard > Pace 1759 > > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Rebecca Christensen > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > James, > > I sure wish I could give constructive comments. I > > haven't generally researched the Paces this early, > so am > > unfamiliar with many of the names of others that you > mention > > but wish I was so I could follow where you are > leading. > > > It may lead nowhere. I'm just exploring, hoping to > glean some clues as to > the parents of John and Richard Pace who sold the land to > Goodwyn in 1759. > > It appears to me, though I may be misinterpreting the > records, that John > Westhrope patented land near Wards Creek, some of which > through various > transactions came to belong to Francis Poythress, and some > of which came to > belong to George Blighton, father of Lydia Blighton > Clements. > > George Blighton's share of the land, in the patent of > 1686, is described as > being near "the Southern Run". The land which > Richard Pace and John Pace > sold to Goodwyn in 1759 is described as being on the > southwest side of the > Southward Run. To me that suggests that the 16 acres being > sold by Richard > Pace and John Pace was near the land of George Blighton > (which had > originally been patented by John Westhrope in 1650), and > therefore perhaps > also near the land which Francis Poythress took up (which > was originally > part of the same John Westhrope patent). > > Therefore I wonder if some of the land which Richard Pace > and a later > Francis Poythress sold to a Goodwyn in 1718, might have > been part of the > Westhrope land. If so, might this tract of land > subsequently have become > called "Goodwins" and been sold to Lydia Blighton > Clements in 1733, together > with "a second plantation on which Lydia was then > living". > > This line of reasoning, if borne out by the land > descriptions, might suggest > that John and Richard Pace were of the line of George Pace, > eldest son of > Richard and Mary. > > On the other hand, one of the witnesses to the sale of the > 16 acres to > Goodwyn in 1759 was Laurence Biggins, presumed to be the > son of Arthur > Biggins who in 1715 owned land bounding the land of James > Pace. This might > suggest that Richard and John Pace could have been of the > line of James > Pace. > > As I say, I'm exploring, rather than drawing any > conclusions. > > James > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1874 - Release > Date: 1/4/2009 > 4:32 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message