Some of this discussion has been off list, but here are some definitions showing the difference between Dower and Dowry: Dower - the provision which the law makes for a widow out of the lands or tenements of her husband, for her support and the nurture of her children (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) Dower Release/Release of Dower - an agreement which forfeited a wife's right to any of her deceased husband's land (dower) that he had sold to another - in some cases a widow was able to reclaim land that her husband had acquired in fee simple and subsequently sold, even 50 years after the sale, unless the buyer had acquired a dower release from the owner's wife (Concise Genealogical Dictionary). [Note that many deeds have the wife sign over her dower right in any land at the time of the sale of the land so there is no question of a clear title to the land. Remember a dower is the provisions for support of a family, often widow and children, after the death of a husband and is different from a dowry. Widows were often entitled to 1/3 of the estate - personal and real - of the deceased husband which is known as a "dower right."] Dowry - The property which a woman brings to her husband in marriage; now more commonly called a "portion" (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) Val -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Blair Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to JesseBryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- Then "Major" was his name, not his title. I wondered about that. I misinterpreted the 1779 record because (as has now been explained to me) I confused the term "dower" with the term "dowry". Apologies. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:23 PM > I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: > > Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann > Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy > was > apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. > Nancy Ann had > two > brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father > is unknown. > Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of > one of the > brothers > of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son > of Henry > Walker > and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was > bondsman for the > marriage > of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. > > I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother > (Indian girl, > mother of Alsey Pace). > > Betty Pace > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair > <[email protected]> writes: > > Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and > Major Walker's > > daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in > the land that > > was being sold. More than that I do not know. > > > > I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in > the same area > > as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which > "Henning" occurs > > as a given name), there could be some connection to > William Pace of > > Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his > will written > > 1829. But that's merely speculation. > > > > Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. > > > > James > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Lois Long Carey > <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace > sell 160 acres > > to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > > To: [email protected], [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM > > > Who is this Major Walker and what is the > relationship( if > > > any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also > mentioned) > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note: My new email address is > [email protected] > > > Please remove [email protected] from your address > books and > > > files so that we can stay in touch! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James > Blair" > > > <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM > > > Subject: [PACE] The name Henning > > > > > > > > > > This may not be relevant but it seems > interesting. > > > > > > > > While looking for information about Henning > Pace, I > > > came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard > of before. > > > > > > > > I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte > of > > > Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the > Virginia Mag. > > > of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer > does not > > > know Tembte's origins but the surname, at > least, > > > doesn't seem to be English; > "Henning" is a > > > German name, I believe.) > > > > > > > > The article describes Tembte's move from > Maryland > > > to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. > VA, where > > > he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's > daughter > > > Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then > Edmond > > > Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married > Richard Webb > > > and, yes, named a son Henning. > > > > > > > > No reason so far to suppose that > "Henning > > > Pace" had anything to do with "Henning > > > Tembte", but an interesting series of deed > extracts was > > > posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May > 2001, tracing > > > land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and > Elizabeth his wife > > > (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to > John Bradford, > > > and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my > error if > > > not) through several transactions to the deed of > 1779 in > > > which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 > acres to Jesse > > > Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann > Pace, and Ann > > > Pace relinquishes dower. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Right on time. 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Val, Thank you. And thank you for all you do for the Pace Society of America, and the history of the Pace family. Bob Pace On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:44 PM, val & jeff tice wrote: > Some of this discussion has been off list, but here are some > definitions > showing the difference between Dower and Dowry: > > Dower - the provision which the law makes for a widow out of the > lands or > tenements of her husband, for her support and the nurture of her > children > (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) > > Dower Release/Release of Dower - an agreement which forfeited a > wife's right > to any of her deceased husband's land (dower) that he had sold to > another - > in some cases a widow was able to reclaim land that her husband had > acquired > in fee simple and subsequently sold, even 50 years after the sale, > unless > the buyer had acquired a dower release from the owner's wife (Concise > Genealogical Dictionary). [Note that many deeds have the wife sign > over her > dower right in any land at the time of the sale of the land so there > is no > question of a clear title to the land. Remember a dower is the > provisions > for support of a family, often widow and children, after the death > of a > husband and is different from a dowry. Widows were often entitled to > 1/3 of > the estate - personal and real - of the deceased husband which is > known as a > "dower right."] > > Dowry - The property which a woman brings to her husband in > marriage; now > more commonly called a "portion" (Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed) > > > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > Of James Blair > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to > JesseBryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- > > Then "Major" was his name, not his title. I wondered about that. > > I misinterpreted the 1779 record because (as has now been explained > to me) I > confused the term "dower" with the term "dowry". Apologies. > > James > > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Betty A Pace <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Betty A Pace <[email protected]> >> Subject: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 acres to Jesse > Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 3:23 PM >> I am quoting Gordon W. Pace here: >> >> Stephen Pace married Nancy Ann >> Walker (b. aft 1758) abt. 1777 in Halifax Co, NC. Nancy >> was >> apparently from Halifax Co. as Stephen married her there. >> Nancy Ann had >> two >> brothers named Jacob and Joseph Walker. Nancy's father >> is unknown. >> Stephen's 2nd wife, who he m. in 1799, was the widow of >> one of the >> brothers >> of Nancy Ann, either Jacob or Joseph. A Major Walker (son >> of Henry >> Walker >> and Judith Major of Old Granville (Bute Co.) NC was >> bondsman for the >> marriage >> of Stephen Pace and Lucy Walker. >> >> I am descended from Stephen but from a different mother >> (Indian girl, >> mother of Alsey Pace). >> >> Betty Pace >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) James Blair >> <[email protected]> writes: >>> Apparently Ann Pace was Stephen Pace's wife and >> Major Walker's >>> daughter, since she relinquished her dower rights in >> the land that >>> was being sold. More than that I do not know. >>> >>> I speculate that because Stephen Pace was evidently in >> the same area >>> as the Tembte/Murden/Webb/Daniel families (in which >> "Henning" occurs >>> as a given name), there could be some connection to >> William Pace of >>> Montgomery Co TN who mentions his son Henning in his >> will written >>> 1829. But that's merely speculation. >>> >>> Sorry not to be able to provide any more information. >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lois Long Carey >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> From: Lois Long Carey >> <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [PACE] Major Walker and Stephen Pace >> sell 160 acres >>> to Jesse Bryant-deedof 1779 in Halifax Co va- >>>> To: [email protected], [email protected] >>>> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 9:24 AM >>>> Who is this Major Walker and what is the >> relationship( if >>>> any) between him and Stephen and Ann Pace?( also >> mentioned) >>>> >>>> >>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> Please note: My new email address is >> [email protected] >>>> Please remove [email protected] from your address >> books and >>>> files so that we can stay in touch! >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James >> Blair" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:49 PM >>>> Subject: [PACE] The name Henning >>>> >>>> >>>>> This may not be relevant but it seems >> interesting. >>>>> >>>>> While looking for information about Henning >> Pace, I >>>> came across Henning Tembte, who I had not heard >> of before. >>>>> >>>>> I found an article about Dr Henning Tembte >> of >>>> Nansemond Co VA, by Mary Dean Clement, in the >> Virginia Mag. >>>> of History and Biography, Jan 1957. (The writer >> does not >>>> know Tembte's origins but the surname, at >> least, >>>> doesn't seem to be English; >> "Henning" is a >>>> German name, I believe.) >>>>> >>>>> The article describes Tembte's move from >> Maryland >>>> to Nansemond Co. VA, then by 1765 to Halifax Co. >> VA, where >>>> he bought land on Fishing Creek. Tembte's >> daughter >>>> Elizabeth married first Malachi Murden, and then >> Edmond >>>> Daniel. Tembte's daughter Mary married >> Richard Webb >>>> and, yes, named a son Henning. >>>>> >>>>> No reason so far to suppose that >> "Henning >>>> Pace" had anything to do with "Henning >>>> Tembte", but an interesting series of deed >> extracts was >>>> posted to this list by Betty A. Pace on 8 May >> 2001, tracing >>>> land which was sold by Edmond Daniel and >> Elizabeth his wife >>>> (that would be Malachi Murden's widow) to >> John Bradford, >>>> and subsequently tracing this land (I think -- my >> error if >>>> not) through several transactions to the deed of >> 1779 in >>>> which Major Walker and Stephen Pace sell 160 >> acres to Jesse >>>> Bryant -- signed by both Stephen Pace and Ann >> Pace, and Ann >>>> Pace relinquishes dower. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to >>>> [email protected] with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Right on time. 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