Re the thread below regarding Jack Pace's ancestry---- I have a similar situation but not quite the same. I trace Johnsons back to my gg grandfather and hit a blank wall. The information was passed down by word of mouth that Johnson is Swedish. Could be; there are Swedish, English, and Scottish Johnsons--and I found in Sweden that Johnson was not necessarily derived from Johannson; there are Johnsons by that spelling in Sweden. DNA gives a possible reason. Possible origin of male ancestor: West African. Deep clade test seems to confirm that hypothesis. My gg grandfather was a quintessential fiddle playing, hound-dog hunting Appalachian hillbilly from eastern Kentucky, parents said to have been born in Virginia but Kentucky was once part of Virginia, so who knows? Not many Swedes in that area! But my research shows that there were very early Swedish settlers in New Jersey and Delaware, and there were small free black settlements among them as early as the late 1600s. So if a Swedish girl or woman bore a child by a black male, that child would probably be raised Swedish and given the mother's surname. That's just speculation but it shows how that sort of thing could have happened. One line of my family actually has a vague story about African ancestry, and no one in the family today finds it objectionable, but in earlier times it would be covered up as any drop of African blood brought all the ignomy of the dreaded n-word. Jack is still a Pace, doesn't matter how he got the name, and I'm still a (possibly Swedish) Johnson even if the male line is west African. My closest YDNA matches are in Senegal and Gambia, West Africa. No one else on the large Johnson DNA study matches with me except my nephew, whom I had tested for verification. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Pace Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources Joe: Been down that path without much succes, but that is the fun of this game, searching for and finding new data. Thanks. J.pace On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Janders 45 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jack, > > I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to > child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women died > in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries and > look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a > young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on his > own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then the > father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and > contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son of > a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing > happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my likely > scenarios list. > > Joe Anderson > > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > > > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex,> > what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came> > back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line> > something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers> > but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg,> > Va. > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. > > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0120 09 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1892 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:04 PM

several years ago I received info. from a Basil Wayne Smith b .28 Feb. 1848, son of Noman Wilbur Smith and Anna Nadine Gaines . He married (1) Anna Stina Elisabeth Halvarsson abt. 9 juni 1974 in Koping,Sweden. She was born 1 Juni 1950. She was the dau. of Per Halvar Pettersson and Ruth Mariana Norman. Norman Wilbur Smith b. 1924, d.2001 Burial: Brown Church Cemetery, Puxico, Mo Married Anna Nadine Gaines 1947 in Arkansas. Children of Norman Smith and Anna Gaines are: Basil Wayne Smith-1948 Adam Frank Smith 1952 Norman Eugene Smith 1959 Erhardt Smith 1961 William Smith 1969 Basil contacted me becauses in his ancestry there is a Walker Connection >From Virginia; John Morris b. 1762 m. Lucy Walker b.1766 His information goes back to 1284 with a reference to Carnarvon Castle,England Some of the names included in his ancestry are: Gaines,Dooley,Perrin,Burlesson, Wilfong,Morris, Crowley,Elkins,Pinkney,Forst,Walker,Cheatham,Bailey,Nicholson,Symons, Pritchard,Culpepper,Shattuck Areas mentioned are: Arkansas, Puxico, Mo,Locust Grove,Ga,Virginia possible connection to my family in Virginia was: John Morris,b. 1762 and Lucy Walker,b.1766 Their son, John Morris b. 8 May 1795 in Virginia m. Mary Forst b. 1 March,1796 Their son, John Morris b. 18 March, 1837 m. Nancy? Anyone connect?? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please remove [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can stay in touch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: [PACE] Surnames and how we get them.... > Re the thread below regarding Jack Pace's ancestry---- > > I have a similar situation but not quite the same. > > I trace Johnsons back to my gg grandfather and hit a blank wall. The > information was passed down by word of mouth that Johnson is Swedish. > Could > be; there are Swedish, English, and Scottish Johnsons--and I found in > Sweden > that Johnson was not necessarily derived from Johannson; there are > Johnsons > by that spelling in Sweden. > > DNA gives a possible reason. Possible origin of male ancestor: West > African. > Deep clade test seems to confirm that hypothesis. > > My gg grandfather was a quintessential fiddle playing, hound-dog hunting > Appalachian hillbilly from eastern Kentucky, parents said to have been > born > in Virginia but Kentucky was once part of Virginia, so who knows? Not > many > Swedes in that area! > > But my research shows that there were very early Swedish settlers in New > Jersey and Delaware, and there were small free black settlements among > them > as early as the late 1600s. > > So if a Swedish girl or woman bore a child by a black male, that child > would > probably be raised Swedish and given the mother's surname. > > That's just speculation but it shows how that sort of thing could have > happened. One line of my family actually has a vague story about African > ancestry, and no one in the family today finds it objectionable, but in > earlier times it would be covered up as any drop of African blood brought > all the ignomy of the dreaded n-word. > > Jack is still a Pace, doesn't matter how he got the name, and I'm still a > (possibly Swedish) Johnson even if the male line is west African. > > My closest YDNA matches are in Senegal and Gambia, West Africa. No one > else > on the large Johnson DNA study matches with me except my nephew, whom I > had > tested for verification. > > Roy Johnson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Jack Pace > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > > Joe: Been down that path without much succes, but that is the fun of this > game, searching for and finding new data. Thanks. J.pace > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Janders 45 <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Jack, >> >> I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to >> child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women > died >> in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries > and >> look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a >> young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on > his >> own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then >> the >> father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and >> contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son > of >> a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing >> happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my > likely >> scenarios list. >> >> Joe Anderson >> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: >> [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources >> >> > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of > Middlesex,> >> what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) > came> >> back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the > line> >> something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible > answers> >> but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, > Williamsburg,> >> Va. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. >> >> > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0120 > 09 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1892 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 > 8:04 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message