Is it possible to obtain a document that provides information about the documented, "factual" Pace lines (as well as any others; as long as they are attributed properly)? Or is it necessary to piece everything together from a variety of sources? My mom was a Pace, and her brother has agreed to participate in the DNA test for me, but I need to put together her line as well as possible in order to submit the application for the DNA study. Kaarin ************ phone: 703-912-5845 cell: 703-402-5694 fax: 760-203-0037

It depends which line you are interested in documenting. As far as the Richard Pace lines go, no line is documented all the way back to Richard and Isabella Pace of Jamestown. Many of the records no longer exist. As with many other families, there are records for some periods but there are gaps, and duplicated names, and ambiguities, which give rise to differing interpretations. Hence the piecing together and puzzling. The picture of what happened is growing increasingly coherent, with the help of DNA results, but there is no definitive documented genealogy all the way back, and there may never be one. Going forward in time from Jamestown, the paper trail ends with Richard Pace (b. ca. 1638, d. ca. 1678), the only known (but not necessarily the only) grandchild of Richard and Isabella. Working backwards in time, there are a number of lines which are well-documented back to the point (typically mid to late 18th century) when the ancestors of those lines moved from VA or NC, further south to SC, GA, TN, KY, AL, MS, etc. So far, no one has managed to document a path back through the genealogical jungles of NC/SC, all the way back to 17th-century Virginia. There is plenty of guesswork, some pretty solid, some very tenuous, but there is not the documentation. I understand there is better documentation for some other Pace lines. James --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Kaarin Engelmann <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Kaarin Engelmann <[email protected]> > Subject: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 3:05 AM > Is it possible to obtain a document that provides > information about the documented, "factual" Pace > lines (as well as any others; as long as they are attributed > properly)? Or is it necessary to piece everything together > from a variety of sources? My mom was a Pace, and her > brother has agreed to participate in the DNA test for me, > but I need to put together her line as well as possible in > order to submit the application for the DNA study. > > Kaarin > > ************ > > > phone: 703-912-5845 > cell: 703-402-5694 > fax: 760-203-0037 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Kaarin,     Don't wait to do the DNA testing until you have a "documented" line.   Do the testing now and submit the lineage as you have it now, indicating at what point you are certain of the lineage and at what point the lineage is based on undocumented sources.   You can continue working on documenting the lineage and it is easy to make corrections on the website.     Because of the various versions of lineages that have been published (whether in books or online), the Pace Society started a document database.   The document database contains scanned images of original documents pertaining to the Paces.  These documents have been submitted by Pace researchers, so while several lines are represented, every Pace document is not necessarily included in the database.   If you have documents that are not included, they can be added for the benefit of other Pace researchers.    Also, Val Tice, Pace Society Historian/Archivist has been creating Finding Aids for several of the Pace lines detailing all of the known documents for a particular line, indicating whether the documents appear in the Pace Society document database.   Both the document database and the Finding Aids are a great resource for Pace research.  The document database, finding aids and back issues of the Pace Society Bulletin from the beginning of the Society are available online in the members only section of the Pace Society website. Rebecca Christensen      --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Kaarin Engelmann <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kaarin Engelmann <[email protected]> Subject: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources To: [email protected] Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 3:05 AM Is it possible to obtain a document that provides information about the documented, "factual" Pace lines (as well as any others; as long as they are attributed properly)? Or is it necessary to piece everything together from a variety of sources? My mom was a Pace, and her brother has agreed to participate in the DNA test for me, but I need to put together her line as well as possible in order to submit the application for the DNA study. Kaarin ************ phone: 703-912-5845 cell: 703-402-5694 fax: 760-203-0037 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex, what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg, Va. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Kaarin Engelmann <[email protected]> wrote: > Is it possible to obtain a document that provides information about the > documented, "factual" Pace lines (as well as any others; as long as they are > attributed properly)? Or is it necessary to piece everything together from a > variety of sources? My mom was a Pace, and her brother has agreed to > participate in the DNA test for me, but I need to put together her line as > well as possible in order to submit the application for the DNA study. > > Kaarin > > ************ > > > phone: 703-912-5845 > cell: 703-402-5694 > fax: 760-203-0037 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia

Jack, I attended my first PSA annual meeting in Chattanooga in 1998. I am sure I met you there for the first time. Since then I have come to know you as an outstanding researcher into the history of the Pace family overall, and especially the John of Middlesex line. I am confident that one day you will discover the unrecorded event that led you to the name Pace, and that you will discover that your answering to that name has been justified. In the meantime, you are as much a Pace as the rest of us, and I am glad you are a member of the family. Happy New Year to you and Ginny. Bob Pace On Jan 12, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Jack Pace wrote: > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of > Middlesex, > what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and > retested) came > back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along > the line > something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible > answers > but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, > Williamsburg, > Va. > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Kaarin Engelmann <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Is it possible to obtain a document that provides information about >> the >> documented, "factual" Pace lines (as well as any others; as long as >> they are >> attributed properly)? Or is it necessary to piece everything >> together from a >> variety of sources? My mom was a Pace, and her brother has agreed to >> participate in the DNA test for me, but I need to put together her >> line as >> well as possible in order to submit the application for the DNA >> study. >> >> Kaarin >> >> ************ >> >> >> phone: 703-912-5845 >> cell: 703-402-5694 >> fax: 760-203-0037 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Jack, I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women died in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries and look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on his own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then the father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son of a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my likely scenarios list. Joe Anderson > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex,> what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came> back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line> something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers> but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg,> Va. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009

Joe: Been down that path without much succes, but that is the fun of this game, searching for and finding new data. Thanks. J.pace On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Janders 45 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jack, > > I expect that you have already searched for daughters who survived to > child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of women died > in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old cemeteries and > look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of death), and a > young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an infant on his > own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. Then the > father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country and > contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was the son of > a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of thing > happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top of my likely > scenarios list. > > Joe Anderson > > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: > [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > > > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex,> > what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came> > back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line> > something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers> > but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg,> > Va. > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. > > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia