37 marker results are in for kit 13710 showing 35/37 match with group 3b. Kit 13710 cites ancestry to Thomas Pace 1990 NC. The two mutations do not match with the mutations of any other Paces in that group. This is not necessarily significant. Roy Johnson

Does that mean some time in the last 300-400 years that 13710 shared a common ancestor with the rest of 3b? Thomas PACE first appeared on an Maury Co, TN undated marriage bond to Catherine DONAHOO, Henry WEBSTER, Bondsman. No marriage record has been found, but marriage probably occurred between 1810 - 1816 *1820 Maury Co, TN; "PASE, Thomas - M (7 people) (after WEBSTER hh - a WEBSTER was his bondsman) *1830 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE (8 people) - (aft Wm DODSON & his son m. a DOTSON) *1840 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE: (9 people) - (then Caroline JOHNSON & his dau m. two JOHNSONS) *1850 Williamson Co, TN: "PACE, Thomas 57 farmer SC?..." (4 people) *1860 Williamson Co, TN: "Thomas 65 $500 pp NC can't read/write"...(9 people) On 28 Sep 1838, Thomas bought 100 acres of "a certain tract or parcel of land lying in Williamson County on the waters of Murphy's fork and Teipers Fork ... bordered by Kincheon SPARKMAN" from John or Isham ARENDELL (ARUNDEL) for $75 - recorded in 1856. Census suggests 9 children, but we only know of Thomas Jr (m.1845 to Nancy LOGSDON); Ann (m 1842 to Wm S HUFF); Rachel (m 1835 Meredy JOHNSON & 1844 James JOHNSON); Amanda (unknown); and Joachim L. "Joac" (m. 1st 1843 Jane DOTSON; (maybe 2nd) bef 1850 to Emily J, & m...... 2nd or 3rd 1870 to Nancy E MCKAINEY). About 1865, Catherine died, and Thomas, a shoemaker by trade, was living his property shared with his dau Ann HUFF (HOUGH) & her family. In 1867, much to the consternation of his children, lonely Thomas married widow Viney BROWN with 2 grown sons. As a reward for them caring for his needs, he deeded them 88 low-quality acres. His kids were furious! They went to court claiming their age-demented father was tricked by the BROWNS. Witnesses said his land was worn out, his cobbler skills were minimal, & he had never been too bright anyway. In the midst of this demeaning battle, Thomas died, & his kids won. In May 1868 the BROWN marriage was declared null & Ann got to keep the home place. Son Joachim (what a strange name!) bought land in Humphreys Co, TN from PHEBUS in Jan 1868. Before 1874 he bought more land from W.D. SMITH. By Jan 1884, he had died & S.G. JONES was appointed administrator. Family tradition & census records show "Joac" was father of at least 15 children by at least 2 wives... *but DNA proves we assumed too much! Joseph B PACE, b 1850-1850 is my husband's ancestor and his DNA (#12269) is *not* PACE DNA. His 1/2 cousin, descendant of Walter,(#13710) has the 37/35 DNA report, & is a 3b PACE Although my husband Jerry is not a biological PACE, he is a nurtured PACE. I'm very excited to open this door closed by DNA 5 years ago, and again opened by DNA.. Now I need a family for Thomas. Help needed! Jackie Ashley PACE The Woodlands, TX http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ashley42 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ashley http://www.familytreedna.com/public/RICHEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: [PACE] 37 marker results 13710 group 3b > 37 marker results are in for kit 13710 showing 35/37 match with group 3b. > Kit 13710 cites ancestry to Thomas Pace 1990 NC. > > The two mutations do not match with the mutations of any other Paces in > that > group. This is not necessarily significant. > > Roy Johnson

>> Does that mean some time in the last 300-400 years that 13710 shared a common ancestor with the rest of 3b?>> I ran the results comparing 13710 to the closest match, 76815, who also represents the modal for 3b. FTDNA calculates the odds as follows: 8 generations is 72.29% 10 generations is 84.07% 12 generations is 91.25% So I think the answer to your question is that yes, there is a strong probability. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jackie Pace Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:23 PM To: [email protected] Cc: jerry.pace Subject: [PACE] PACE, Thomas - 37 marker results 13710 group 3b Does that mean some time in the last 300-400 years that 13710 shared a common ancestor with the rest of 3b? Thomas PACE first appeared on an Maury Co, TN undated marriage bond to Catherine DONAHOO, Henry WEBSTER, Bondsman. No marriage record has been found, but marriage probably occurred between 1810 - 1816 *1820 Maury Co, TN; "PASE, Thomas - M (7 people) (after WEBSTER hh - a WEBSTER was his bondsman) *1830 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE (8 people) - (aft Wm DODSON & his son m. a DOTSON) *1840 Williamson Co, TN: Thomas PACE: (9 people) - (then Caroline JOHNSON & his dau m. two JOHNSONS) *1850 Williamson Co, TN: "PACE, Thomas 57 farmer SC?..." (4 people) *1860 Williamson Co, TN: "Thomas 65 $500 pp NC can't read/write"...(9 people) On 28 Sep 1838, Thomas bought 100 acres of "a certain tract or parcel of land lying in Williamson County on the waters of Murphy's fork and Teipers Fork ... bordered by Kincheon SPARKMAN" from John or Isham ARENDELL (ARUNDEL) for $75 - recorded in 1856. Census suggests 9 children, but we only know of Thomas Jr (m.1845 to Nancy LOGSDON); Ann (m 1842 to Wm S HUFF); Rachel (m 1835 Meredy JOHNSON & 1844 James JOHNSON); Amanda (unknown); and Joachim L. "Joac" (m. 1st 1843 Jane DOTSON; (maybe 2nd) bef 1850 to Emily J, & m...... 2nd or 3rd 1870 to Nancy E MCKAINEY). About 1865, Catherine died, and Thomas, a shoemaker by trade, was living his property shared with his dau Ann HUFF (HOUGH) & her family. In 1867, much to the consternation of his children, lonely Thomas married widow Viney BROWN with 2 grown sons. As a reward for them caring for his needs, he deeded them 88 low-quality acres. His kids were furious! They went to court claiming their age-demented father was tricked by the BROWNS. Witnesses said his land was worn out, his cobbler skills were minimal, & he had never been too bright anyway. In the midst of this demeaning battle, Thomas died, & his kids won. In May 1868 the BROWN marriage was declared null & Ann got to keep the home place. Son Joachim (what a strange name!) bought land in Humphreys Co, TN from PHEBUS in Jan 1868. Before 1874 he bought more land from W.D. SMITH. By Jan 1884, he had died & S.G. JONES was appointed administrator. Family tradition & census records show "Joac" was father of at least 15 children by at least 2 wives... *but DNA proves we assumed too much! Joseph B PACE, b 1850-1850 is my husband's ancestor and his DNA (#12269) is *not* PACE DNA. His 1/2 cousin, descendant of Walter,(#13710) has the 37/35 DNA report, & is a 3b PACE Although my husband Jerry is not a biological PACE, he is a nurtured PACE. I'm very excited to open this door closed by DNA 5 years ago, and again opened by DNA.. Now I need a family for Thomas. Help needed! Jackie Ashley PACE The Woodlands, TX http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ashley42 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ashley http://www.familytreedna.com/public/RICHEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: [PACE] 37 marker results 13710 group 3b > 37 marker results are in for kit 13710 showing 35/37 match with group 3b. > Kit 13710 cites ancestry to Thomas Pace 1990 NC. > > The two mutations do not match with the mutations of any other Paces in > that > group. This is not necessarily significant. > > Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1928 - Release Date: 1/31/2009 8:03 PM