Dear Gordon, First, I am very sorry, I made an error in my communication to you--- apologize to you and the Pace list-I did not ask the question correctly.. I intended to ask about Henning Pace's daughter Sicely Walker Pace. I see I did not include Henning Pace's name, and must have thought you could read my mind. The last paragraph of your reply points out the question I had. Where did we obtain the name Sicely Walker Pace as a daughter of Henning Pace? Where did we obtain the exact birth and death dates for she and 4 other of Henning's children? The name Sicely Walker Pace given as a daughter of Henning is a key to showing that the same William Pace lived in Edgecombe, married Sicely Walker, moved to Franklin County NC, then moved on to Robertson/Montgomery Counties in Tennessee. I do have the originals of all the Bruce Howard abstracts, I believe they are on the Pace Society data base, as well as the deed that William Walker made to Sicely Walker, that proves Sicely Walker and Sicely Pace are the same person by the legal description of the land, which is the same in both deeds. One of the points that I like to make concerning who the father of William Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be: John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer to the William Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than George Pace and wife Patience did in Halifax County. Shirley In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: This is in response to a direct inquiry from my cousin, Shirley Pace Graham, re the source of Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. of Montgomery Co, TN. Shirley: My main source for Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. is from Bruce Howard's book, Our Colonial Ancestors. If you have the book, please refer to pages 117-120 and pages 326-329. On page 119 Bruce states: "He [William] married previous to the year 1773 to Miss Sesley Walker, daughter of Mr. William Walker." I believe that Sesley was a phonetic mispelling of Sicely. William Walker had 5 known children, including Cally Walker and Joel Walker. These are the same given names of one of William's daughters and one of his sons. Cally was a very rare given name at that time. Although our DNA test results indicated that our William Pace, Sr. could have been a son of George Pace and Patience Howell, you opined that the William Pace who was a son of George and Patience had a birth year which was inconsistent with the birth year of our William. However, I am not convinced of this. In a deed transcribed on p 328 of Bruce's book it says: "William Pace and Patience Pace his mother". The deed was witnessed by Temperance Pace, daughter of George Pace and Matthew Howell, brother of Patience Howell, who was a daughter of Thomas Howell. Bruce knew that George's wife was named Patience but did not know her surname. I believe that subsequently it has been firmly established that it was Howell. You asked about some birth dates: Martha Patsy Pace m. Gideon Harris in 1803. Bruce says she was the 2nd child of William so, if true, was b. abt. 1773. He says she m. David Jarnagan in 1789. Henning E. Pace's gravestone in Buttram's Cemetery in AR shows b. 1813. Source of 1/1/1813 is unknown to me. For Gideon G. Pace I have two suggested birth years: 1775 or 1784. I don't know what the sources are. The most compelling evidence for me as to the name of William Pace, Sr's wife is the fact that William's son Henning Pace named a daughter Sicely Walker Pace, after his mother. Henning was a very dominant member of William's family, having pioneered their move from NC to Montgomery Co, TN. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: DAR + Henning Pace Dear Gordon, I have been accepted into the DAR through our William Pace who signed a Bute County NC Oath in support of North Carolina. I will post this to the list in general when I decide exactly what I want to say. Hope you have a minute to let me know if you have the following or where I can obtain it: Have we got anything that shows where the name Sicely Walker Pace came from? I cannot locate anything in my files. I thought it was in one of the biographies, but she is in nothing I can find here at the house. She is the key to show that our William is the one who married Sicely Walker, then lived Franklin County NC and on to Tennessee. Have we got anything that shows where we obtained the exact birth dates of children Sicely Walker, Martha Harris, Henning E. and Gideon G. ?? Marjorie Bernards ?? Group sheet?? With references?? other possible might be Mildred Riggs??? Shirley ____________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=DecemailfooterNO 62) ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/defaul t.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)

Hi I put Sicely walker name in search on ancestry .com.The results I got was Sicely Walker Pace married to samuel Mewton Woods.They have Sicelys birth as 1807, and her marriage date as 1828 in Tenn.I also saw a joel H.S. Walker, m. Charlotte R.Robertson date 28 Dec.1836 Mary > From: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:37:55 -0500> To: [email protected]> CC: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] DAR + Henning Pace> > Dear Gordon,> > First, I am very sorry, I made an error in my communication to you--- > apologize to you and the Pace list-I did not ask the question correctly.. I > intended to ask about Henning Pace's daughter Sicely Walker Pace. I see I did not > include Henning Pace's name, and must have thought you could read my mind. > > The last paragraph of your reply points out the question I had. Where did > we obtain the name Sicely Walker Pace as a daughter of Henning Pace? Where > did we obtain the exact birth and death dates for she and 4 other of Henning's > children? > > The name Sicely Walker Pace given as a daughter of Henning is a key to > showing that the same William Pace lived in Edgecombe, married Sicely Walker, > moved to Franklin County NC, then moved on to Robertson/Montgomery Counties in > Tennessee. > > I do have the originals of all the Bruce Howard abstracts, I believe they > are on the Pace Society data base, as well as the deed that William Walker made > to Sicely Walker, that proves Sicely Walker and Sicely Pace are the same > person by the legal description of the land, which is the same in both deeds. > > One of the points that I like to make concerning who the father of William > Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be:> John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer to the William > Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than George Pace and wife > Patience did in Halifax County. > > Shirley > > > In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > This is in response to a direct inquiry from my cousin, Shirley Pace Graham, > re the source of Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. of > Montgomery Co, TN. > Shirley: > My main source for Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. is > from Bruce Howard's book, Our Colonial Ancestors. If you have the book, please > refer to pages 117-120 and pages 326-329. On page 119 Bruce states: "He > [William] married previous to the year 1773 to Miss Sesley Walker, daughter of > Mr. William Walker." I believe that Sesley was a phonetic mispelling of > Sicely. William Walker had 5 known children, including Cally Walker and Joel > Walker. These are the same given names of one of William's daughters and one of > his sons. Cally was a very rare given name at that time. > Although our DNA test results indicated that our William Pace, Sr. could > have been a son of George Pace and Patience Howell, you opined that the William > Pace who was a son of George and Patience had a birth year which was > inconsistent with the birth year of our William. However, I am not convinced of > this. In a deed transcribed on p 328 of Bruce's book it says: "William Pace and > Patience Pace his mother". The deed was witnessed by Temperance Pace, > daughter of George Pace and Matthew Howell, brother of Patience Howell, who was a > daughter of Thomas Howell. Bruce knew that George's wife was named Patience > but did not know her surname. I believe that subsequently it has been firmly > established that it was Howell. > You asked about some birth dates: Martha Patsy Pace m. Gideon Harris in > 1803. Bruce says she was the 2nd child of William so, if true, was b. abt. > 1773. He says she m. David Jarnagan in 1789. Henning E. Pace's gravestone in > Buttram's Cemetery in AR shows b. 1813. Source of 1/1/1813 is unknown to me. > For Gideon G. Pace I have two suggested birth years: 1775 or 1784. I don't > know what the sources are. > The most compelling evidence for me as to the name of William Pace, Sr's > wife is the fact that William's son Henning Pace named a daughter Sicely Walker > Pace, after his mother. Henning was a very dominant member of William's > family, having pioneered their move from NC to Montgomery Co, TN.> > Gordon W. Pace> > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: DAR + Henning Pace > > Dear Gordon,> > I have been accepted into the DAR through our William Pace who signed a > Bute County NC Oath in support of North Carolina. I will post this to the > list in general when I decide exactly what I want to say. > > Hope you have a minute to let me know if you have the following or where > I can obtain it: > > Have we got anything that shows where the name Sicely Walker Pace came > from? I cannot locate anything in my files. I thought it was in one of the > biographies, but she is in nothing I can find here at the house. She is the key > to show that our William is the one who married Sicely Walker, then lived > Franklin County NC and on to Tennessee. > > Have we got anything that shows where we obtained the exact birth dates > of children Sicely Walker, Martha Harris, Henning E. and Gideon G. ??> > Marjorie Bernards ?? Group sheet?? With references?? other possible > might be Mildred Riggs???> > Shirley> > > > > > > ____________________________________> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www> .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=DecemailfooterNO> 62) > > ________________________________________> > PeoplePC Online> > A better way to Internet> > http://www.peoplepc.com> > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/defaul> t.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Did Sicely have a daughter named Sicely? Mary> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:46:41 -0500> Subject: Re: [PACE] DAR + Henning Pace> > > Hi> I put Sicely walker name in search on ancestry .com.The results I got was Sicely Walker Pace > married to samuel Mewton Woods.They have Sicelys birth as 1807, and her marriage date as> 1828 in Tenn.I also saw a joel H.S. Walker, m. Charlotte R.Robertson date 28 Dec.1836> Mary> > From: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:37:55 -0500> To: [email protected]> CC: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] DAR + Henning Pace> > Dear Gordon,> > First, I am very sorry, I made an error in my communication to you--- > apologize to you and the Pace list-I did not ask the question correctly.. I > intended to ask about Henning Pace's daughter Sicely Walker Pace. I see I did not > include Henning Pace's name, and must have thought you could read my mind. > > The last paragraph of your reply points out the question I had. Where did > we obtain the name Sicely Walker Pace as a daughter of Henning Pace? Where > did we obtain the exact birth and death dates for she and 4 other of Henning's > children? > > The name Sicely Walker Pace given as a daughter of Henning is a key to > showing that the same William Pace lived in Edgecombe, married Sicely Walker, > moved to Franklin County NC, then moved on to Robertson/Montgomery Counties in > Tennessee. > > I d!> o have the originals of all the Bruce Howard abstracts, I believe they > are on the Pace Society data base, as well as the deed that William Walker made > to Sicely Walker, that proves Sicely Walker and Sicely Pace are the same > person by the legal description of the land, which is the same in both deeds. > > One of the points that I like to make concerning who the father of William > Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be:> John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer to the William > Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than George Pace and wife > Patience did in Halifax County. > > Shirley > > > In a message dated 1/13/2009 12:14:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > This is in response to a direct inquiry from my cousin, Shirley Pace Graham, > re the source of Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. of > Montgomery Co, TN. > Shirley: > My main source for Sicely Walker as the wife of our William Pace, Sr. is > from Bru!> ce Howard's book, Our Colonial Ancestors. If you have the book, please> > refer to pages 117-120 and pages 326-329. On page 119 Bruce states: "He > [William] married previous to the year 1773 to Miss Sesley Walker, daughter of > Mr. William Walker." I believe that Sesley was a phonetic mispelling of > Sicely. William Walker had 5 known children, including Cally Walker and Joel > Walker. These are the same given names of one of William's daughters and one of > his sons. Cally was a very rare given name at that time. > Although our DNA test results indicated that our William Pace, Sr. could > have been a son of George Pace and Patience Howell, you opined that the William > Pace who was a son of George and Patience had a birth year which was > inconsistent with the birth year of our William. However, I am not convinced of > this. In a deed transcribed on p 328 of Bruce's book it says: "William Pace and > Patience Pace his mother". The deed was witnessed by Temperance Pace, > daughter of George Pace and Matthew Howell, brother of Patience Howell, w!> ho was a > daughter of Thomas Howell. Bruce knew that George's wife was named Patience > but did not know her surname. I believe that subsequently it has been firmly > established that it was Howell. > You asked about some birth dates: Martha Patsy Pace m. Gideon Harris in > 1803. Bruce says she was the 2nd child of William so, if true, was b. abt. > 1773. He says she m. David Jarnagan in 1789. Henning E. Pace's gravestone in > Buttram's Cemetery in AR shows b. 1813. Source of 1/1/1813 is unknown to me. > For Gideon G. Pace I have two suggested birth years: 1775 or 1784. I don't > know what the sources are. > The most compelling evidence for me as to the name of William Pace, Sr's > wife is the fact that William's son Henning Pace named a daughter Sicely Walker > Pace, after his mother. Henning was a very dominant member of William's > family, having pioneered their move from NC to Montgomery Co, TN.> > Gordon W. Pace> > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > S!> ent: Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: D> AR + Henning Pace > > Dear Gordon,> > I have been accepted into the DAR through our William Pace who signed a > Bute County NC Oath in support of North Carolina. I will post this to the > list in general when I decide exactly what I want to say. > > Hope you have a minute to let me know if you have the following or where > I can obtain it: > > Have we got anything that shows where the name Sicely Walker Pace came > from? I cannot locate anything in my files. I thought it was in one of the > biographies, but she is in nothing I can find here at the house. She is the key > to show that our William is the one who married Sicely Walker, then lived > Franklin County NC and on to Tennessee. > > Have we got anything that shows where we obtained the exact birth dates > of children Sicely Walker, Martha Harris, Henning E. and Gideon G. ??> > Marjorie Bernards ?? Group sheet?? With references?? other possible > might be Mildred Riggs???> > Shirley> > > > > > > ________________________!> ____________> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www> .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=DecemailfooterNO> 62) > > ________________________________________> > PeoplePC Online> > A better way to Internet> > http://www.peoplepc.com> > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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Although George Pace had a wife named Patience (and William Pace of Robertson Co named a daughter Patience), it doesn't seem to be that uncommon a name. Didn't Josiah Eley, whose name I have seen in several Franklin Co deeds which also mention William Pace, mention a daughter Patience Norfleet Eley in his will? I'm not very familiar with the records, but I did notice that. Various websites say that James Denby (Henney Pace witnessed deed of gift to Martha Eley) was married to Patience Norfleet of the Nansemond Norfleets. I don't know whether that has been proved. There does seems to have been some kind of connection between this William Pace of Franklin Co and the Eleys. However, there doesn't seem to be a connection with Richard or John Pace of Edgecombe. A lot of these people seem to have come from Nansemond Co. Maybe that's where William Pace came from. James --- On Tue, 1/13/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > One of the points that I like to make concerning who the > father of William > Pace, Sr. d. 1845 might be: > John and Richard Pace lived in Edgecombe County closer > to the William > Walker (father of Sicely) land in Halifax County than > George Pace and wife > Patience did in Halifax County. >