Lois, This is a Welsh research database--WILLPERF on www.rootsweb.com, world connect. Carnarvon Castle,England is actually in Wales. Betty Pace On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:16:52 -0500 "Lois Long Carey" <[email protected]> writes: > several years ago I received info. from a Basil Wayne Smith b .28 > Feb. > 1848, son of Noman Wilbur Smith and > Anna Nadine Gaines . He married (1) Anna Stina Elisabeth Halvarsson > abt. 9 > juni 1974 in Koping,Sweden. > She was born 1 Juni 1950. She was the dau. of Per Halvar Pettersson > and Ruth > Mariana Norman. > Norman Wilbur Smith b. 1924, d.2001 > Burial: Brown Church Cemetery, Puxico, Mo > Married Anna Nadine Gaines 1947 in Arkansas. > Children of Norman Smith and Anna Gaines are: > Basil Wayne Smith-1948 > Adam Frank Smith 1952 > Norman Eugene Smith 1959 > Erhardt Smith 1961 > William Smith 1969 > Basil contacted me becauses in his ancestry there is a Walker > Connection > >From Virginia; > John Morris b. 1762 m. Lucy Walker b.1766 > His information goes back to 1284 with a reference to Carnarvon > Castle,England > Some of the names included in his ancestry are: > Gaines,Dooley,Perrin,Burlesson, Wilfong,Morris, > Crowley,Elkins,Pinkney,Forst,Walker,Cheatham,Bailey,Nicholson,Symons, > Pritchard,Culpepper,Shattuck > Areas mentioned are: Arkansas, Puxico, Mo,Locust Grove,Ga,Virginia > possible connection to my family in Virginia was: John Morris,b. > 1762 and > Lucy Walker,b.1766 > Their son, John Morris b. 8 May 1795 in Virginia m. Mary Forst b. 1 > > March,1796 > Their son, John Morris b. 18 March, 1837 m. Nancy? > Anyone connect?? > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Please note: My new email address is [email protected] Please > remove > [email protected] from your address books and files so that we can > stay in > touch! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Johnson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:15 PM > Subject: [PACE] Surnames and how we get them.... > > > > Re the thread below regarding Jack Pace's ancestry---- > > > I have a similar situation but not quite the same. > > > > I trace Johnsons back to my gg grandfather and hit a blank wall. > The > > information was passed down by word of mouth that Johnson is > Swedish. > > Could > > be; there are Swedish, English, and Scottish Johnsons--and I found > in > > Sweden > > that Johnson was not necessarily derived from Johannson; there are > > > Johnsons > > by that spelling in Sweden. > > > > DNA gives a possible reason. Possible origin of male ancestor: > West > > African. > > Deep clade test seems to confirm that hypothesis. > > > > My gg grandfather was a quintessential fiddle playing, hound-dog > hunting > > Appalachian hillbilly from eastern Kentucky, parents said to have > been > > born > > in Virginia but Kentucky was once part of Virginia, so who knows? > Not > > many > > Swedes in that area! > > > > But my research shows that there were very early Swedish settlers > in New > > Jersey and Delaware, and there were small free black settlements > among > > them > > as early as the late 1600s. > > > > So if a Swedish girl or woman bore a child by a black male, that > child > > would > > probably be raised Swedish and given the mother's surname. > > > > That's just speculation but it shows how that sort of thing could > have > > happened. One line of my family actually has a vague story about > African > > ancestry, and no one in the family today finds it objectionable, > but in > > earlier times it would be covered up as any drop of African blood > brought > > all the ignomy of the dreaded n-word. > > > > Jack is still a Pace, doesn't matter how he got the name, and I'm > still a > > (possibly Swedish) Johnson even if the male line is west African. > > > > My closest YDNA matches are in Senegal and Gambia, West Africa. No > one > > else > > on the large Johnson DNA study matches with me except my nephew, > whom I > > had > > tested for verification. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > Behalf > > Of Jack Pace > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:46 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with sources > > > > Joe: Been down that path without much succes, but that is the fun > of this > > game, searching for and finding new data. Thanks. J.pace > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Janders 45 > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Jack, > >> > >> I expect that you have already searched for daughters who > survived to > >> child-bearing age but then disappeared from the record? A lot of > women > > died > >> in childbirth back in those days (just walk through some old > cemeteries > > and > >> look at paired female/infant graves with the same dates of > death), and a > >> young widowed husband would not have been expected to raise an > infant on > > his > >> own, so the child was often raised by the maternal grandparents. > Then > >> the > >> father heads out to take up land in the newly opened Ohio country > and > >> contact is lost with the child. Why wouldn't that child who was > the son > > of > >> a Pace and raised by Paces go by the surname Pace? This sort of > thing > >> happened a lot back in those days and I would put it at the top > of my > > likely > >> scenarios list. > >> > >> Joe Anderson > >> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:33:31 -0500> From: > [email protected]> To: > >> [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PACE] Succinct lines with > sources > >> > >> > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of > > Middlesex,> > >> what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and > retested) > > came> > >> back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along > the > > line> > >> something occured that was not recorded. There are several > possible > > answers> > >> but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, > > Williamsburg,> > >> Va. > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. > >> > >> > > > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_0 120 > > 09 > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > JackPace,Williamsburg, Virginia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1892 - Release Date: > 1/13/2009 > > 8:04 PM > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. 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