Jack Pace wrote: > Kaarin: I have pretty well documented my line back to John of Middlesex, > what a surprise when my DNA (one of the first submitted, and retested) came > back indicating no connections to any Pace line, Some where along the line > something occured that was not recorded. There are several possible answers > but in the meanwhile we answer to the name of PACE, JackPace, Williamsburg, > Va. Jack, You may want to know about this: Important find here this morning, I think !! I've just been writing to you about your recent email to Kaarin and about the deaths due to epidemics of the past generations etc. and notice you match a DARRELL PACE almost exactly who was said previously to not match any others in the PACE DNA test. I'm certainly not an expert but I think something may have been overlooked. Your DNA 6281 Darrell Pace of Charlotte NC 38697 the numbers go like this: 6281 your kit 13 24 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 16 17 38697 Darrell Pace's 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15 15 16 17 the second number is the only one out by just one. The following may not be too important now In your PACE lineage back to John of Middlesex, would you have all, or most, of the SURNAMES connected, through marriage, to your PACE lineage? This may not be necessary now Theoretically, if each one of these SURNAMES had/have initiated a DNA testing programme, you would very likely fit in one of these DNA SURNAME programmes. As I said previously, illness, epidemics, plagues and resulting death were a natural occurance in the advancement since earlier times. When someone researches their family background and DNA testing does not indicate a match, then common sence and historical documentation is the avenue to consider. As far as I'm concerned, it always was. An example of what I'm refering to is possibly Darrell Pace of Charlotte, North Carolina. His DNA test results did not match that of the John Pace of Middlesex group or mine. He had done considerable research and come up with facts his JOSEPH B. PACE was likely from BLOXWICH in South Staffordshire. His story is that his JOSEPH B. PACE was the first in his US family and that he came from England. Darrell Pace wrote 20/10/2006: Joseph B Pace Sr is my ancestor and he appears in our family records in Chowan County, North Carolina on September 23, 1788 when he married Zilpha Woodward. From that point on to present, we have a clear record of my family line of Paces. Joseph B Pace Sr from the Census records was born in England. He was born between the years of 1756 - 1766. After his marriage in 1788, he was given a land grant to Orange County, NC That is the summary of below. I wrote 20/10/2006: You had mentioned a Joseph B. Pace from Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England born between the years 1756 & 1766. My Pace family lived at Bloxwich and/or Shareshill (adjacent) at that time (1760s early 1770s) and in my family, brother to my 3X great grandfather was a JOSEPH PACE Christened 02 Jul 1758. At that time, there was some kind of epidemic and many deaths ocurred in my family. Here is the family below which shows seven Christenings and four deaths. JOSEPH PACE/Paste b 1 Feb 1735 Little Saredon, (Shareshill parish) Staffordshire - my 4X great gransparents wed MARY EVANS 19 Jul 1757 of Brewood, Staffordshire (Brewood pronounced brew-od) 1. JOSEPH..bapt 2 Jul 1758, Shareshill 2. MARY...bapt 25 Jan 1760, Shareshill - bur. 26 Jul 1763 3. JOHN...bapt 18 Oct 1761, Shareshill 4. THOMAS...bapt 29 Jan 1764, Shareshill - buried 22 Jun 1764 5. WILLIAM..bapt 14 Jul 1765 wed MARY BROWN 3X grt grfather 6. ANN.....bapt 15 May 1768 - buried 8 Feb 1769 7. CHARLES..bapt 6 May 1770 - buried 14 Aug 1770, Shareshill MARY (EVANS) wife/mother of above, also died about 1770 JOSEPH PACE (father) remarried - 2nd wife - MARY PITT - m 10 June 1771 There is ample history on JOSEPH's 2nd marriage to MARY PITT and a descendent lives in Pittsburg, PA a volunteer at the Pittsburg LDS Family History Centre. There is no history to be found so far on 1. JOSEPH..bapt 2 Jul 1758, Shareshill It was mentioned, if I remember right, that your (Darrell) DNA test results did not match mine or the John of Middlesex group. This may not matter. Since there were many deaths in the family at that time, I have no doubt that related children whose parents may have also died, were absorbed into close family and given the name PACE. In such cases which were common enough, the DNA of descendents would not neccessarily match as a father may not have been a PACE. I mentioned some of the surnames of that era of many deaths in my PACE family around 1760s, PITT, CORBETT, GOSLING, DUDLEY and others that if a DNA programme was going on today, his test results may match donors in one of those SURNAME DNA test programmes. His results may be compared to yours also. I don't think I've seen his actual results. Darrell was maybe the first in the Pace Society that mentioned his ancestor came to America at a different time than that of Richard or John of M. A similar situation seems to be the case with your DNA results. Kit 38697 1. Donor 2. Father 3. Grandfather| 4. Newton Lee Pace (documented)Born 06/11/1881 in ----Alamance County, NC. Died 01/15/1933 buried at Spray ----Cemetery in Eden, NC. + Julia Ann Baker 5. Doctor Pace (documented) Born – 02/18/1846 in Orange ----County, NC.Died in 1929 and buried at Spray Cemetery in Eden, NC. ---- +Elizabeth Barker 6. Joseph Barker Pace (Jr.) (documented) Born – 1804 in Orange ----County, NC. Died 1885 in Alamance County, NC. Buried in ----Mebane, NC. +Elizabeth Truitt 7. Joseph B. Pace (Sr.) (marriage documented only) Born – ----Died – before 1820 Orange County, NC. +Zilpha Woodward - ----Married 9/23/1788 in Chowan County, NC. This donor does not appear to be related to any of the other Paces in the study. I had looked at the DNA test results of that of the MADDOCK DNA test. They matched exactly with that of the JOHN of Middlesex group. Gord Pace