I just posted the alleles on the John of Middlesex chart for our second Pierce who matches with Pace and the other Pierce but not with anyone else on the Pierce study. http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/JohnOfM.htm Jack Pace has sent me a whole bunch of Pierce-Pace records that I have not had time to analyze. Apparently Pierce and Pace surnames were interchanged often in the Shropshire area and in the Middlesex area (including descending lines) . However, I have not seen instances of this interchange in other Pace lines. Has anyone? If this is a peculiarity of Shropshire and Middlesex, it further corroborates the Shropshire origins of John of M, although I think we have enough evidence already. I have not yet posted the short lineage of this donor, but I will try to get it up soon. Roy Johnson