I found the info and web sites below, while searching for info on Weyanoke Old Town dig, which has a link on the home page below. My big question is based on the info below which states that 1 chain equals 66 feet, a measurement used in the 17th and 18th centuries in Virginia, what is the real answer to the number of acres of the Maycock land and George Pace's Flowerdeu Hundred. What is the source of 1 chain equals 33 feet? All I can find is 1 two pole chain equals 33 feet. What does the land patents or whatever record you site read for number of chains/metes and bounds, etc? How many acres are we talking about for the respective properties? Who is correct in this argument? See the Pace-L discussion excerpts below. Review info below and help me understand the reason for the argument and the correct answers. We never stop learning and this academic adventure has been interesting. Class never ends for students of history and genealogy. Larry Pace, GENEALOGY, LPace1943@comcast.net CHAIN OF MEASUREMENT VIRGINIA http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/compass.html The Virginia Foundation for Archaeological Research, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/index.html MAPPING EARLY BOUNDARIES The Old Compass and Bearing Equivalent Table for Plotting Old Virginia Land Boundaries by Eve Gregory Linear Measurements Used in Virginia in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries a.. 1 chain = 66 feet b.. 1 two-pole Chain = 33 feet c.. 1 link = 1/100 of a 66 foot chain d.. 1 perch = 1 pole, but also 1 square pole e.. 1 pole = 16.5 feet f.. 1 prime = 1/10th of a pole g.. 1 rod = 16.5 feet h.. 1 rood = 1 rod, but also 40 square rods How to Plot Boundaries LAND SURVEY BY GEORGE WASHINGTON http://www.virginiamemory.com/online_classroom/lesson_plans/land_survey_by_george_washington The metes and bounds procedure of mapping land originated in England in the 16th century, and during this time "Edmund Gunter is credited with inventing an accurate measuring instrument called the chain. A Gunter's Chain was 22 yards long, four perches (the traditional unit of measurement, also known as a Rod or a Pole). His chain was divided into 100 links, marked off into groups of 10 by brass rings. On the face of it, the dimensions make no sense: each link is 7.92 inches long and its full length is 66 feet. In fact, he had merged two otherwise incompatible systems, the traditional English land measurement, based on the number 4, and the newly introduced French system of decimals based on the number 10: 10 square chains made an acre" Learn more about the history of surveying and mapmaking in Virginia through the online exhibition for "From Williamsburg to Wills's Creek: The Fry-Jefferson Map of Virginia." previous PACE-L postings: I have been in contact recently with the Anthopologist/Archaeologist, Jeffery Blick who participated in the Archaeological digs over 20 years ago at Weyanoke Old Town, an Indian Town located on one of the patents acquired by George and Sarah Maycock Pace. This area is now part of the James River National Wildlife Refuge which can be visited by permit. Jeff has written many papers on his findings, primarily concerning dog remains recovered there. He provided me with a link that one can view some pictures and read a story of his recent revisit of the area. http://hamptonroads.com/2010/01/tracking-origin-mans-best-friend . Samuel Maycock was the previous owner of part of George Paces' patents and was killed in the Indian Massacre. of 1622. Perhaps Samuel Maycock's bones were some of the ones mentioned in the article. John Pace The wrong formula would result in quadrupling the area, not doubling it. Example: 100 Chains (33') squared equals 250 acres, 100 Chains (66') squared equals 1000 acres. Lonnie Pace Bruce Howard was confused about the size of George Paces patent at Maycocks, primarily because he mistakenly thought a chain of measurement was 66 feet in Virginia; not so, a chain was 33 feet. Of course the land patent of George Pace of 1650 would have been twice its actual size if the wrong formula of 66 feet were used. This would have encompassed all of Maycocks Point and Windmill Point which was impossible because it is well known that Flowerdeu Hundred was located at Windmill Point. In turn he concocted some theory about the Maycock description found in the Patent as being some kind of Indian fruit. When Bruce disputed the location of Samuel Maycocks land, he disagreed with many Historians, Archaeologists and Mapmakers and he was just wrong. I am sure he is probably aware of that now, but printed word does not go away. John Pace It's interesting that Samuel Maycock bones may have been found for I have never seen a discripition and location where his patent (Hundred) was located. Bruce Howard had an idea but never documented. Jack Pace

I MISSED JOHN'S posted info citing a VA LIBRARY URL that brings up the info posted below. It shows 600 acres. I can't find the date of the patent, just the 1687 Publication date. I am trying to view the original patent, which should give the Boundary measurements, that they used to arrive at 600 acres. Wondering about the details. HELP APPRECIATED All of the land of George and Sarah Maycock Pace was platted by me and Val Tice and appears in Spring 2009 Bulletin #167 and there is no doubt that it is on the South side of the James River. Why would you think it would be on the North side? All of the Pace land patents in VA are on the Library of Virginia website, http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 John Pace Title Pace, George. Publication 20 April 1687. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: Charles City County. Description: 600 acres on the south side of James River, nigh the Blackwater; adjoining the land of John Williams. Source: Land Office Patents No. 7, 1679-1689 (v.1 & 2 p.1-719), p. 554 (Reel 7). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - Personal Pace, George. grantee. Williams, John. Subject - Topical Land titles. -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- Charles City County Subject -Geographic Charles City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- Charles City County. Added Entry Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. Archives. System Number 000803448 Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Pace" <LPace1943@comcast.net> To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property-LANDMEASUREMENTS IN VIRGINIA >I found the info and web sites below, while searching for info on Weyanoke > Old Town dig, which has a link on the home page below. > > My big question is based on the info below which states that 1 chain > equals > 66 feet, a measurement used in the 17th and 18th centuries in Virginia, > what > is the real answer to the number of acres of the Maycock land and George > Pace's Flowerdeu Hundred. What is the source of 1 chain equals 33 feet? > All > I can find is 1 two pole chain equals 33 feet. What does the land patents > or > whatever record you site read for number of chains/metes and bounds, etc? > > How many acres are we talking about for the respective properties? > > Who is correct in this argument? See the Pace-L discussion excerpts below. > > Review info below and help me understand the reason for the argument and > the > correct answers. We never stop learning and this academic adventure has > been > interesting. Class never ends for students of history and genealogy. > > Larry Pace, GENEALOGY, LPace1943@comcast.net

George Pace Patent of 400 acres-1628 I need to stop solving my own questions on line. Is this the correct George Pace Patent of 400 acres and Publication dated 1628? My Bulletin and my copy of the book Colonial Ancestors are packed away for a move, so I am minus two sources to understand original discussion. The original tiff document found thru the website below has probably been transcribed? Patent Title Pace, George. Publication 1 September 1628. Gen. note "son and heir aparent to Richard Pace, decd..." Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: James City County. Description: 400 acres within the Corporation of James City, the southern side of the river at the plantation called Paces Pain. Source: Land Office Patents No. 1, 1623-1643 (v.1 & 2), p. 64 (Reel 1). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - Personal Pace, George. grantee. Pace, Richard. Subject - Topical Land titles -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- James City County. Subject -Geographic James City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- James City County. Added Entry Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. Archives. System Number 000803449 http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/S3CJSQ8647C88XQYJAELNPPVVNYB719N2R7H7XVY4CNVEMPLN3-62086?func=full-set-set&set_number=002469&set_entry=000005&format=999 Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net

   The Pace Society Bulletins and transcription along with the image of the 1628 Patent are online on the Pace Society website on the members-only side of the website.  The recent Bulletins have an excellent series of articles by Val Tice and John Pace showing the plats of the early Pace lands in Virginia along with their neighbors, starting with Bulletin 167 (Spring 2009).  The online version of the Bulletins are in full color, so the maps are visually easy to understand.  The land was plotted with the DeedMapper program. Rebecca Christensen --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Larry Pace <LPace1943@comcast.net> wrote: From: Larry Pace <LPace1943@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PACE] George Pace Patent of 400 acres-1628 To: pace@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:11 PM George Pace Patent of 400 acres-1628 I need to stop solving my own questions on line. Is this the correct George Pace Patent of 400 acres and Publication dated 1628? My Bulletin and my copy of the book Colonial Ancestors are packed away for a move, so I am minus two sources to understand original discussion. The original tiff document found thru the website below has probably been transcribed? Patent  Title Pace, George. Publication 1 September 1628. Gen. note "son and heir aparent to Richard Pace, decd..." Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: James City County. Description: 400 acres within the Corporation of James City, the southern side of the river at the plantation called Paces Pain. Source: Land Office Patents No. 1, 1623-1643 (v.1 & 2), p. 64 (Reel 1). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - Personal Pace, George. grantee. Pace, Richard. Subject - Topical Land titles -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- James City County. Subject -Geographic James City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- James City County. Added Entry Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. Archives. System Number 000803449 http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/S3CJSQ8647C88XQYJAELNPPVVNYB719N2R7H7XVY4CNVEMPLN3-62086?func=full-set-set&set_number=002469&set_entry=000005&format=999 Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net

Larry: Try the url below , click on 23 and 24, they are the patents to George Pace along the James River. the patent in 1650 was for 1700 acres, the patent for 1652 was for 507 acres. Although George's patent does not state whether a two pole chain or a 4 pole chain was used, I can tell you they used a two pole chain for the reasons stated below. http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/HS576H8T7Q7ICQCQ2IXMJ446DUPGG95GMSAD8D8DUVJD7H16I1-14296?func=short-jump&jump=000021 As for the 33ft. chain vs. the 66ft chain, I can tell you that when platting George's Patent of 1650 which was 1700 acres, using Deedmapper software which is extremely accurate, I used 33 ft chain measurements and the area comes to 1761 acres. Not bad for the terrain involved. It may be interesting to note that in a time when the patents were just estimated and described as running from creek to creek or into the woods or similar language, George Paces Patent was described in perfect detail and is one of the most accurate patents which I have done, and I have done hundreds. If everyone had done as good as our George, there would be no problems plotting at all. Although surveyors used a plane surveying compass to determine the bearing of a survey line, distances were measured using a chain. Carrying the chain and measuring the distances along the survey lines was done by laborers, called chainmen. A full surveyor's chain consisted of one hundred equal links and was sixty-six feet long. Each link represented a decimal of the chain, and twenty-five links equaled an English statutory pole. The standard chain equaled four poles. Eighty chains equaled one mile. Although the full chain was standard equipment in England, dragging a sixty-six-foot chain through the brush of colonial Virginia's forests was impractical. A long chain would hang on brush or logs and the dense vegetation often made it difficult for the chain carriers to see each other. Colonial surveyors like Peter Jefferson used a half-or two-pole-chain, which had fifty links and was thirty-three feet. John Pace -------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Pace" <LPace1943@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:26 AM To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property-LANDMEASUREMENTS IN VIRGINIA-600 ACRES > I MISSED JOHN'S posted info citing a VA LIBRARY URL that brings up the info > posted below. It shows 600 acres. I can't find the date of the patent, just > the 1687 Publication date. I am trying to view the original patent, which > should give the Boundary measurements, that they used to arrive at 600 > acres. Wondering about the details. HELP APPRECIATED > > > > All of the land of George and Sarah Maycock Pace was platted by me and Val > Tice and appears in Spring 2009 Bulletin #167 and there is no doubt that it > is on the South side of the James River. Why would you think it would be on > the North side? All of the Pace land patents in VA are on the Library of > Virginia website, > http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 > John Pace > > > > Title Pace, George. Publication 20 April 1687. Other Format Available on > microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note > Location: Charles City County. Description: 600 acres on the south side of > James River, nigh the Blackwater; adjoining the land of John Williams. > Source: Land Office Patents No. 7, 1679-1689 (v.1 & 2 p.1-719), p. 554 (Reel > 7). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by > the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The > collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - > Personal Pace, George. grantee. Williams, John. Subject - Topical Land > titles. -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- Charles City County > Subject -Geographic Charles City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. > Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- Charles City County. Added Entry > Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. > Archives. > System Number 000803448 > > > Larry Pace > GENEALOGY > LPace1943@comcast.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Pace" <LPace1943@comcast.net> > To: <pace@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace > property-LANDMEASUREMENTS IN VIRGINIA > > >>I found the info and web sites below, while searching for info on Weyanoke >> Old Town dig, which has a link on the home page below. >> >> My big question is based on the info below which states that 1 chain >> equals >> 66 feet, a measurement used in the 17th and 18th centuries in Virginia, >> what >> is the real answer to the number of acres of the Maycock land and George >> Pace's Flowerdeu Hundred. What is the source of 1 chain equals 33 feet? >> All >> I can find is 1 two pole chain equals 33 feet. What does the land patents >> or >> whatever record you site read for number of chains/metes and bounds, etc? >> >> How many acres are we talking about for the respective properties? >> >> Who is correct in this argument? See the Pace-L discussion excerpts below. >> >> Review info below and help me understand the reason for the argument and >> the >> correct answers. We never stop learning and this academic adventure has >> been >> interesting. Class never ends for students of history and genealogy. >> >> Larry Pace, GENEALOGY, LPace1943@comcast.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >