I have gathered some pertinent facts presented by Jervis Wegg in his book* which concern Richard and his brother John Pace. Most of this information appears elsewhere. I have organized this material, and made comments, in order, I hope, to clarify some relationships.   Wegg places the family of Richard Pace in either Hampshire or London, particularly Stepney. He does accept the premise that Richard’s brother was John and that their father, John, Sr., was from Leicestershire. A John is mentioned in the following quote: “filing a law suit action brought by John Pace in 1501, on behalf of the Dudley family, Henry’s VII notorious minister.** ” The year 1501 is too early for brother John to be active in a law court, in as much as this John would have to be a seasoned lawyer, the Dudley family being so prominent. So if this is the father of Richard and John, then it is the first mention of his occupation, and provides a possible explanation for his removal to Hampshire from Leicestershire. Lawyers are likely to follow job opportunities.   A John Pace was groom of the King’s chamber in November of 1509. This John was most certainly not the father, but brother John. This was the court of King Henry VIII, most likely, Henry VII having died in April of that year. The location was London, of course.   To again quote Wegg, a “certain John Pace of Stepney, Middlesex, was admitted to King’s College, Cambridge, in 1539, at the age of seventeen, coming up from Eton, to be made a fellow in 1542, and to become the King’s jester later on.” Thus he was born abt. 1522 and “was of Stepney.” This John Pace became a jester in the King’s Court. Wegg coyly notes that he was born while Richard was in Italy, so it is reasonable to attribute him to brother John.    Richard, according to Wegg, had a house in ‘London,’ probably in Stepney, as he was Vicar of Stepney. While in Italy, brother John seems to have managed Richard’s household affairs. In Sept. 1527, about the time of Richard’s return from Italy, John presented an accounting of debts and expenses, apparently incurred during the time he was managing Richard’s affairs. This would place John in London. Since John’s son was of Stepney, it also adds to the probability that Richard’s residence was in Stepney.   Richard’s private life is largely unknown. His correspondence with women is scant. However, he did correspond with “Queen Catherine, with some ladies at a fête in Venice, and with his sister-in-law.” Wegg also mentions a letter to a Lady Darcy.*** But there does seem to be information on brother John’s wife in Richard’s letters. Wegg cites “L. and P. .... Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, vol. i.” If her family can be identified through a search of Richard’s papers, it would certainly be helpful. A strong family connection would provide a background for the advancement of John’s son into the household of the Duke of Norfolk and the Queen.   Regarding brother John’s children, here is another quote from Wegg. In 1527, while Richard was in Hampshire, he wrote, “I command you immediately upon the sight hereof, to repair to me hither, with all my servants, as  many [as] will come; and bring with you also your wife and children, one maid to wait upon her, leaving the other to keep your house.” This appears to be the source of the statement that John had a family with more than one child.   Summarizing, we have Richard and brother John, as well as his son John, in Stepney. This, of course, is where our Richard and Isabella Smythe were married.         *Jervis Wegg, “Richard Pace — A Tudor Diplomatist,” Barnes & Noble, Inc., New York, 1971, reprint of 1932, ed.   **Edmund Dudley was a minister in the reign of Henry VII. He was a grandson of John Sutton. 1st Baron Dudley. His family was situated in Sussex. Upon the death of Henry VII in 1509, Dudley became expendable. Henry VIII began cleaning house. Dudley was found guilty of treason and suffered the penalty.   *** Wegg also adds “but  we are set wondering by Erasmus’ reference to JND@*\F4", and possibly by his application for a sinecure for a Venetian woman’s bastard. It would be unfair, unpleasant, and ridiculous to found a theory on such trifles, but they remind us that we know little of his private life.” In those days, there was no institution like the “Weekly Inquirer.” Wegg let the matter stand there. Wegg didn’t translate the Greek, but it would be nice to know what Erasmus of Rotterdam meant by it.

I also found this information: A Richard Pace, in 1591 held a close in West Ham, across the river Lea from Wapping (where Richard of Jamestown lived) and Stepney (where he was married). A "close" is a short street leading to a building of note, such as an abbey or manor, with the buildings on both sides. The close was called "Wellfield" and was in the Abbey Marsh section of West Ham. Richard of Wapping/Jamestown was possibly born ca 1585. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Pace Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:43 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE] Gleanings from Jervis Wegg I have gathered some pertinent facts presented by Jervis Wegg in his book* which concern Richard and his brother John Pace. Most of this information appears elsewhere. I have organized this material, and made comments, in order, I hope, to clarify some relationships. Wegg places the family of Richard Pace in either Hampshire or London, particularly Stepney. He does accept the premise that Richard’s brother was John and that their father, John, Sr., was from Leicestershire. A John is mentioned in the following quote: “filing a law suit action brought by John Pace in 1501, on behalf of the Dudley family, Henry’s VII notorious minister.** ” The year 1501 is too early for brother John to be active in a law court, in as much as this John would have to be a seasoned lawyer, the Dudley family being so prominent. So if this is the father of Richard and John, then it is the first mention of his occupation, and provides a possible explanation for his removal to Hampshire from Leicestershire. Lawyers are likely to follow job opportunities. A John Pace was groom of the King’s chamber in November of 1509. This John was most certainly not the father, but brother John. This was the court of King Henry VIII, most likely, Henry VII having died in April of that year. The location was London, of course. To again quote Wegg, a “certain John Pace of Stepney, Middlesex, was admitted to King’s College, Cambridge, in 1539, at the age of seventeen, coming up from Eton, to be made a fellow in 1542, and to become the King’s jester later on.” Thus he was born abt. 1522 and “was of Stepney.” This John Pace became a jester in the King’s Court. Wegg coyly notes that he was born while Richard was in Italy, so it is reasonable to attribute him to brother John. Richard, according to Wegg, had a house in ‘London,’ probably in Stepney, as he was Vicar of Stepney. While in Italy, brother John seems to have managed Richard’s household affairs. In Sept. 1527, about the time of Richard’s return from Italy, John presented an accounting of debts and expenses, apparently incurred during the time he was managing Richard’s affairs. This would place John in London. Since John’s son was of Stepney, it also adds to the probability that Richard’s residence was in Stepney. Richard’s private life is largely unknown. His correspondence with women is scant. However, he did correspond with “Queen Catherine, with some ladies at a fête in Venice, and with his sister-in-law.” Wegg also mentions a letter to a Lady Darcy.*** But there does seem to be information on brother John’s wife in Richard’s letters. Wegg cites “L. and P. .... Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, vol. i.” If her family can be identified through a search of Richard’s papers, it would certainly be helpful. A strong family connection would provide a background for the advancement of John’s son into the household of the Duke of Norfolk and the Queen. Regarding brother John’s children, here is another quote from Wegg. In 1527, while Richard was in Hampshire, he wrote, “I command you immediately upon the sight hereof, to repair to me hither, with all my servants, as many [as] will come; and bring with you also your wife and children, one maid to wait upon her, leaving the other to keep your house.” This appears to be the source of the statement that John had a family with more than one child. Summarizing, we have Richard and brother John, as well as his son John, in Stepney. This, of course, is where our Richard and Isabella Smythe were married. *Jervis Wegg, “Richard Pace — A Tudor Diplomatist,” Barnes & Noble, Inc., New York, 1971, reprint of 1932, ed. **Edmund Dudley was a minister in the reign of Henry VII. He was a grandson of John Sutton. 1st Baron Dudley. His family was situated in Sussex. Upon the death of Henry VII in 1509, Dudley became expendable. Henry VIII began cleaning house. Dudley was found guilty of treason and suffered the penalty. *** Wegg also adds “but we are set wondering by Erasmus’ reference to JND@*\F4", and possibly by his application for a sinecure for a Venetian woman’s bastard. It would be unfair, unpleasant, and ridiculous to found a theory on such trifles, but they remind us that we know little of his private life.” In those days, there was no institution like the “Weekly Inquirer.” Wegg let the matter stand there. Wegg didn’t translate the Greek, but it would be nice to know what Erasmus of Rotterdam meant by it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message