Roy, Re: David Pass The following request to join the Pace project was entered at Family Tree DNA by David Pass bluehorseenterprises@hotmail.com. Earliest known ancestor Nathaniel Pass of NC/VA. I sent David Pass this: Interesting, in Birmingham England, where I was born 1940, the name PASS was rather popular and nearby to the north in places like Stoke-on-Trent, Burslem, Tunstall, Burton-on-Trent (the pottery district) in south Staffordshire. Leonard William Pace, Methodist preacher of Wolverhampton and Pace family researcher is married to a PASS lady. It will be interesting to see your DNA test results. Gord Pace There was a PASS mailing list run by a man in the southern US that Debby Bayman nee Pass was on. Her ancestors were from Wolverhampton and Derbeyshire UK which is near these pottery area towns where the accents were very pronounced. I am on the Black Country list and presently there's much talk about Black Country sayings. My family had these sayings. My grandmother was a rather pious lady but when she got angry with us, a vehement stream of these appelations chased us into submission, we would all have a good laugh at them, trying to remember them, and she would resort back into her pious composure. You had a web page about sayings from the Ozarks etc. that seemed to be similar, if not the exact same. Do you still have this web page on the sayings? Probably the sayings from the pottery district of central Staffordshire are the same as those from the Black Country in south Staffordshire. The distance between the two in Staffs. is about 25 miles at the most. If you still have the page, maybe I could add many of these sayings appearing on the Black Country list. No doubt they originated from folks who left the Staffordshire industrial districts and brought their trades and way of talk to the US. Gord