I don't think that anyone knows what happened to the Frederick Pace in the 1800 Chesterfield census as he evidently does not appear again in subsequent census records. You may recall that Bruce Howard took his disappearance and the subsequent appearance of the (apparent) widow Jenny Pace and her children in the 1808 MS. Terr. census to concoct an imaginative tale that represented what he thought might have been the case. That is, he assumed that Jenny was the widow of this Frederick. We know that Mr. Howard was wrong in his assertion that the Clarke County Paces were the sons of John the Tory, but he actually might have been right that Jenny was the widow of Frederick. Of course, this is total speculation on my part, as it was on the part of Mr. Howard. Based on the age of his children and wife in the 1800 census, I doubt that the census enumerator checked the wrong age column. But since we Paces are known for our longevity and virility in old age, I guess that we can't fully eliminate the possibility can we? Joe Anderson > From: zapnyou@aol.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:31:05 -0600 > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > > Still at my Mom's helping her after her surgery, so I have limited abilities to get on the Internet or do research. . . > > Joe, thanks for mentioning that this Frederick may be the same one as the one on the 1800 census. I forgot to do so. You are absolutely right. That is why I said "may" be, because we don't know if the census enumerator possibly made a mistake while he was ticking off the age category, or if he is not of the FPW group, or whether Frederick the progenitor was actually living in Chesterfield County in 1800 or 1803. All we have to go on at the moment is the Dr. Pace autobiography for this family line, family traditions, and DNA samples. That is also why I said for the people who have other lines to not rule out that this Frederick may be theirs. In 1810, this Frederick (based on his age on the 1800 census) seems to have disappeared or died. As always, this is just another clue for us to follow and I will keep looking for more as sources come available. > > By the way, I have not had a chance to follow up with legal research on how old someone must be to serve on a petit juror in South Carolina back then, but I seemed to remember they had to be at least between 21 and 65? And, a land owner too? Does anyone have the right answer? > > Kim > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Janders 45 wrote: > > > > > There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see if I am remembering correctly. > > > > > > > > Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will show up one day that might resolve the question. > > > > > > > > Joe Anderson > > > >> From: mnixon1@centurytel.net > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. > >> Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! > >> > >> Miriam Nixon > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > >> Of Robert Webb > >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > >> Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Outstanding find, Kim. > >> > >> On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > >> > >>> This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of > >>> Wales. > >>> For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please > >>> do not > >>> rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper > >>> article > >>> is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and > >>> daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in > >>> Chesterfield > >>> County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is > >>> too > >>> young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 > >>> > >>> Repository: www. genealogybank.com > >>> > >>> Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone > >>> know what > >>> this abbreviation stands for?] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for > >>> Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth > >>> Monday in > >>> March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned > >>> to > >>> appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. > >>> Handcock, > >>> Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, > >>> John > >>> Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were > >>> duly > >>> returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea > >>> jurors, who > >>> severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew > >>> [yes, > >>> this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of > >>> excuse, upon > >>> oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next > >>> sitting > >>> of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they > >>> will > >>> severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> By the Court, > >>> > >>> ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, > >>> > >>> Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/

Joe, It is these speculations that spur many of us to prove or disprove them. And as always, I depend on you, Roy, and others on this Pace List to catch things I missed or forget to mention or to come up with more speculations until we get enough sources to figure out these lines! Speaking of the Mississippi Territory, I believe that I just read that one of the subscription sites was starting to put state (not Federal Populations Schedules which are already on-line) census images on-line. Kim -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:06 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 I don't think that anyone knows what happened to the Frederick Pace in the 1800 Chesterfield census as he evidently does not appear again in subsequent census records. You may recall that Bruce Howard took his disappearance and the subsequent appearance of the (apparent) widow Jenny Pace and her children in the 1808 MS. Terr. census to concoct an imaginative tale that represented what he thought might have been the case. That is, he assumed that Jenny was the widow of this Frederick. We know that Mr. Howard was wrong in his assertion that the Clarke County Paces were the sons of John the Tory, but he actually might have been right that Jenny was the widow of Frederick. Of course, this is total speculation on my part, as it was on the part of Mr. Howard. Based on the age of his children and wife in the 1800 census, I doubt that the census enumerator checked the wrong age column. But since we Paces are known for our longevity and virility in old age, I guess that we can't fully eliminate the possibility can we? Joe Anderson > From: zapnyou@aol.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:31:05 -0600 > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > > Still at my Mom's helping her after her surgery, so I have limited abilities to get on the Internet or do research. . . > > Joe, thanks for mentioning that this Frederick may be the same one as the one on the 1800 census. I forgot to do so. You are absolutely right. That is why I said "may" be, because we don't know if the census enumerator possibly made a mistake while he was ticking off the age category, or if he is not of the FPW group, or whether Frederick the progenitor was actually living in Chesterfield County in 1800 or 1803. All we have to go on at the moment is the Dr. Pace autobiography for this family line, family traditions, and DNA samples. That is also why I said for the people who have other lines to not rule out that this Frederick may be theirs. In 1810, this Frederick (based on his age on the 1800 census) seems to have disappeared or died. As always, this is just another clue for us to follow and I will keep looking for more as sources come available. > > By the way, I have not had a chance to follow up with legal research on how old someone must be to serve on a petit juror in South Carolina back then, but I seemed to remember they had to be at least between 21 and 65? And, a land owner too? Does anyone have the right answer? > > Kim > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Janders 45 wrote: > > > > > There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see if I am remembering correctly. > > > > > > > > Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will show up one day that might resolve the question. > > > > > > > > Joe Anderson > > > >> From: mnixon1@centurytel.net > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. > >> Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! > >> > >> Miriam Nixon > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > >> Of Robert Webb > >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > >> Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Outstanding find, Kim. > >> > >> On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > >> > >>> This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of > >>> Wales. > >>> For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please > >>> do not > >>> rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper > >>> article > >>> is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and > >>> daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in > >>> Chesterfield > >>> County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is > >>> too > >>> young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 > >>> > >>> Repository: www. genealogybank.com > >>> > >>> Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone > >>> know what > >>> this abbreviation stands for?] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for > >>> Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth > >>> Monday in > >>> March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned > >>> to > >>> appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. > >>> Handcock, > >>> Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, > >>> John > >>> Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were > >>> duly > >>> returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea > >>> jurors, who > >>> severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew > >>> [yes, > >>> this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of > >>> excuse, upon > >>> oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next > >>> sitting > >>> of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they > >>> will > >>> severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> By the Court, > >>> > >>> ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, > >>> > >>> Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message