Does anyone know what town in Shropshire, England that John and his parents lived? Shropshire is like a county, correct? Thanks for any info that can be provided. Kirk Pace >>> "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> 3/12/2009 10:43:45 PM >>> For what it's worth, I have been very impressed with Gordon Thomas Pace's research and I am fairly convinced that John Pace of Middlesex Co, VA was a son of Joseph Pace and Margaret Palmer of Shropshire, England. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >Sent: Mar 12, 2009 10:28 PM >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry > >Not prove by documentary records but supported by strong circumstantial >evidence. For the strong cirmstantial evidence go to >http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/johngeorge.htm > >Roy Johnson > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >Of Michele Hayes >Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:46 AM >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry > >I just want to clarify this so I have the correct information in my >database. For many years it was thought that John of Middlesex was >descended from Richard Pace and Isabella Smythe. Based on DNA evidence in >recent years, we now believe that he was not from this line of Paces. But >we do not know who John's parents were, correct? I have seen assumptions >that his parents were Joseph Pace (b. 1618) and Margaret Palmer (b. 1631), >but this has not been proven (correct?). I'm sorry if this information has >been posted previously. I recently retired and now have the time to >continue my genealogy research in earnest. > >Thanks, >Michele Hayes > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 >20:42:00 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pace Kirk wrote: > Does anyone know what town in Shropshire, England that John and his parents lived? Shropshire is like a county, correct? Thanks for any info that can be provided. > > Kirk Pace > >>>> "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> 3/12/2009 10:43:45 PM >>> > > For what it's worth, I have been very impressed with Gordon Thomas Pace's research and I am fairly convinced that John Pace of Middlesex Co, VA was a son of Joseph Pace and Margaret Palmer of Shropshire, England. > Gordon W. Pace > Kirk, The John Pace, thought to be John of Middlesex appears in a Christening record at St. Peters Church, Wrockwardine, Shropshire 22 Sept. 1665 This record appears in LDS file P006621 > JOHN PACE Chr 22 Sep 1665 > WROCKWARDINE Shropshire > Father: JOSEPH PACE > Mother: MARGARET PALMER > P006621 There were two other Christenings . ANNE PACE - Chr 02 NOV 1655 RODINGTON, Shropshire - Father: JOSEH PACE C061451-C061453 GEORGE PACE - Chr 28 May 1670 PREES, Shropshire - Father: JOSEPH PACE - Mother not mentioned but George's 1st child also named MARGARET Two other researchers I'm related to, one in Pittsburg, PA the other in Walsall, West Midlands UK had their PACE family back to a GEORGE PACE in Staffordshire. A George Pace wasn't to be found in Staffordshire records so I began searching Shropshire records. A George Pace was found Christened 28 May 1670 at Prees. I was doubtful about George being the one I was looking for until I came across additional facts. I knew the names of George's children already from the two other researchers. It helps, not many PACE Christening records were to be found when I searched many nearby parishes, collecting what I found; most were at PREES, Shropshire, about 8 or 10 miles north of Wrockwardine. Rodington is about 3 miles west of Wrockwardine. PACE records of Prees parish http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/prees.htm Finding the record of JOHN PACE Chr 1665 showed his mother as MARGARET and I knew previously, GEORGE's first child was named MARGARET. The father in John and George's Christenings showed as JOSEPH. I was rather excited to find John Pace's Christening of 1665. The time difference of 10 years, 1655 1665, between Anne and John's Christenings was a puzzle until two additional facts were realized. Margaret Palmer was Christened 1631 at Wellington, the local market town about 2 miles east of Wrockwardine where JOHN PACE was Chr. 1665. I understand JOHN of Middlesex paid his passage to Virginia indicating his family had money for this so his parents were probably of merchant or tradesman standing. John of M left carpenter's tools to his son which indicate he was also a tradesman: "I give to my eldest son John Pace all my carpenders joyners & turners tools & in jenerall saving one large saw one small hand saw two chisels one gowage one addze & one broad ax for the plantation." thanks to Charles Hartley for a copy of the will http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gensoup/pacewill/index.html When I asked Jack Pace of Williamsburg if there were any Palmers in Christ Church parish, Middlesex Co. Jack responded: "The first Palmer recorded in Middlesex County Virginia according to the church register was Sarah Palmer who's illegithmate son Thomas [Palmer] was bapt. 07, September 1711. Six months later on 03, March 1712 she married William Blazedon,...Other Palmer data in Middlesex was Isac Palmer and Elizabeth Tuff married 28, Sep. 1770. Also William Palmer and Ursula Robinson married 10, Feb. 1793." NOTICE the ROBINSON name. I had a PALMER-BLADEN marriage and many other BLADEN marriages in the PALMER collection of Wellington, Shropshire. http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/palmer.htm#bladen BLADEN was also found in the Wrockwardine parish where JOHN PACE was Christened in 1665. Earlier this month, on ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com I found a ROBINSON-PALMER query Leland Robinson of Frederick Maryland All I know about my great-great grandparents on my father's paternal line are their names -- Richard ROBINSON and Mary PALMER. I know a reasonable amount about Richard's son (my great grandfather) Thomas ROBINSON and his wife Emma LEEKE. Thomas and Emma married 4 Oct 1873 at the parish church, parish of Encall Magna, Salop (Shropshire). At the time they were living in Rodington, parish of Wellington, county of Salop (Shropshire). Not sure what to make of this yet. There's 200 years between my PALMER-PACE and Leland Robinson's PALMER-ROBINSON query but he is referring to the same Shropshire parishes common to my PALMER and his PALMER, Wellington, High Ercall, Rodington, and then Jack Pace's words bring up ROBINSON-PALMER in Christ Church records: "Also William Palmer and Ursula Robinson married 10, Feb. 1793." Sometimes available evidence can be rather astonishing, but up to the individual, just how to interpret this evidence. Gord Pace in Ontario > -----Original Message----- >> From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >> Sent: Mar 12, 2009 10:28 PM >> To: pace@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry >> >> Not prove by documentary records but supported by strong circumstantial >> evidence. For the strong cirmstantial evidence go to >> http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/johngeorge.htm >> >> Roy Johnson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >> Of Michele Hayes >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:46 AM >> To: pace@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry >> >> I just want to clarify this so I have the correct information in my >> database. For many years it was thought that John of Middlesex was >> descended from Richard Pace and Isabella Smythe. Based on DNA evidence in >> recent years, we now believe that he was not from this line of Paces. But >> we do not know who John's parents were, correct? I have seen assumptions >> that his parents were Joseph Pace (b. 1618) and Margaret Palmer (b. 1631), >> but this has not been proven (correct?). I'm sorry if this information has >> been posted previously. I recently retired and now have the time to >> continue my genealogy research in earnest. >> >> Thanks, >> Michele Hayes