Ah yes, I've been trying to hunt down Jeanette Bennett Kelly for years. She made that "hit and run" post on a PACE list once years ago that had just enough info in it to have me dying to find out where that info came from, but it appears she has long since abandon that email address or something. So frustrating. Scott --- On Wed, 10/28/09, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [PACE] Pace, Kipp and the Marias River Massacre > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:43 PM > Scott Aaron wrote: > > Interesting stuff Gordon. Thanks!  > > Yes, thanks for help, Gordon, Scott > and many others who've sent me info, over the years, on the > NJ-Ontario > PACE-PEES family story and their migrations. These > illuminating words > seem appropriate here. > >   It is our good fortune to belong to one of the > oldest families in the > UNITED STATES and we can be proud of the fact that the > PACES played a > part in the founding and development of this nation > > Freda Reid Turner > > Some other descendents who have sent their data are: > > JEANETTE BENNETT KELLY > In July 1998 was seeking info on CLARINDA PACE BENNETT her > great-great > grandmother born in Yarmouth Township, ELGIN County, > Ontario, Canada > > JOHN TERRY, 211 Campbell, Redlands, CA 92373 > JOHN's grandfather was JOHN BURGESS PACE, born 1878 > Ontario, son of > CALVIN PACE 1830-1908 who spent his life in ELGIN County, > Ontario > and RACHEL SKINNER 1840-1943 > JOHN BURGESS PACE had a brother: > > ARTHUR A. PACE born abt.1870 > He was a Doctor in IOWA. married > + DAISY ALICE They had no children > > FRED PRONG > who may descend from the family of JACOB PACE > JACOB PACE > + MARGARET McLEAN - b 1812 Wentworth Co (Hamilton, > Ontario) > Marriage.-December 29th, 1829-Jacob Pace, > (occ.Cooper-barrell carpenter) > and Margaret McLean, spinster, both of the Township of > YARMOUTH, were > this day married by me, by banns. Witnesses - John Pace, > Wm. Parker, > Henry Petty > > RICHARD THAYER > who may descend from JACOB PACE and his wife MARGARET > McLEAN of YARMOUTH > Township, ELGIN County Ontario through their daughter NANCY > CATHERINE > PACE who married SIMEON JARVIS THAYER. It is likely that > GEORGE THAYER, > a brother, married MARY A PACE, a sister to NANCY. > > BRENDA HOWORKO of Edmonton has procured a great deal of > history on > WILLIAM JOHN PACE of Ontario, Crowsnest Pass, Vancouver, > Edmonton. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Scott Aaron wrote: > Interesting stuff Gordon. Thanks! Yes, thanks for help, Gordon, Scott and many others who've sent me info, over the years, on the NJ-Ontario PACE-PEES family story and their migrations. These illuminating words seem appropriate here. It is our good fortune to belong to one of the oldest families in the UNITED STATES and we can be proud of the fact that the PACES played a part in the founding and development of this nation Freda Reid Turner Some other descendents who have sent their data are: JEANETTE BENNETT KELLY In July 1998 was seeking info on CLARINDA PACE BENNETT her great-great grandmother born in Yarmouth Township, ELGIN County, Ontario, Canada JOHN TERRY, 211 Campbell, Redlands, CA 92373 JOHN's grandfather was JOHN BURGESS PACE, born 1878 Ontario, son of CALVIN PACE 1830-1908 who spent his life in ELGIN County, Ontario and RACHEL SKINNER 1840-1943 JOHN BURGESS PACE had a brother: ARTHUR A. PACE born abt.1870 He was a Doctor in IOWA. married + DAISY ALICE They had no children FRED PRONG who may descend from the family of JACOB PACE JACOB PACE + MARGARET McLEAN - b 1812 Wentworth Co (Hamilton, Ontario) Marriage.-December 29th, 1829-Jacob Pace, (occ.Cooper-barrell carpenter) and Margaret McLean, spinster, both of the Township of YARMOUTH, were this day married by me, by banns. Witnesses - John Pace, Wm. Parker, Henry Petty RICHARD THAYER who may descend from JACOB PACE and his wife MARGARET McLEAN of YARMOUTH Township, ELGIN County Ontario through their daughter NANCY CATHERINE PACE who married SIMEON JARVIS THAYER. It is likely that GEORGE THAYER, a brother, married MARY A PACE, a sister to NANCY. BRENDA HOWORKO of Edmonton has procured a great deal of history on WILLIAM JOHN PACE of Ontario, Crowsnest Pass, Vancouver, Edmonton.

This is Gordon W. Pace. My additions to the following are included in brackets. The following has been slightly reworded for clarity. On July 14 Gordon Thomas Pace of Ontario, Canada sent me an interesting email. Here are most of the contents: “You might want to … give consideration to this rather sensitive part of Pace family history that I uncovered this past week. It appears that my Pace family [which goes back to John of Middlesex and the Shropshire Paces] and Scott Aaron’s Pace family [which goes back to the Pees/Paces of Prussia] come together somewhat remotely in associated historical events, namely the Marias River Massacre of 1870 in Montana which most likely led up to the great massacre six years later, the Battle at Little Big Horn, where Custer and Sitting Bull came together, also in Montana. This week I discovered the following words in reference to the Marias River Massacre of 1870 [from] http://www.dickshovel.com/parts2.html “Joseph Kipp, half-Mandan Indian of North Dakota [was a] son of white trader James Kipp. Joseph Kipp married one of Heavy Runner’s daughters, Martha, [after the Marias River Massacre] and adopted her children, who had been left fatherless by the soldiers.” Gordon T. said, I recognized the surname Kipp from some of Scott Aaron’s background, quoted as follows: “David Pace was brother to William Pace who m. Paulina Chapel – from early registers of the Old Anglican Church, St. Thomas, Ontario. Marriage: 26th Dec 1827. William and Paulina Pace were grandparents to William John Pace who I have been researching as was Brenda Howorko at the BC and Alberta Archives, as you probably know, for some time now. It’s like so many building blocks of history coming together.” [GordonT. notes that the following info comes from: www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/yarmouth.htm#david [The above] David Pace b. abt 1817 and m. Catherine Everitt. One of their daughters, Hannah Pace, m. Darwin Kipp in Yarmouth Twp, Elgin Co, Ontario. Gordon T. says: so I wrote Scott and asked if he had further Kipp info or anything that might be related which he replied: “The Darwin Kipp you listed was the great-grandson of James Kipp (1751-1785). James Kipp (the famous fur-trader, who was close with many Indian tribes in Montana) was named after James (1751-1785) … his uncle. The Joseph Kipp that you mention was James’ (the fur trader) son. [In other words Darwin Kipp was a son of Joseph Kipp, who was associated with the Marias River Massacre.] [Joseph] had a colorful career in Canada and Montana, being known as “The Merchant Prince of the High Missouri.” He testified under oath to the Indian Claims Commission in February, 1913, forth-three years after the massacre.” [Gordon T. sent me a brief description of the Marias River Massacre but I found a more detailed description online, which includes an important revelation about Joseph Kipp. The source is: www.montanaheritageproject.org/edheritage/articles/studentessay/marias.htm It was written by Scott Warnick and following are the relevant excerpts: “On January 15, 1870, a detachment of the U. S., Calvary from Fort Shaw under the command of Major Eugene Baker marched north towards the Marias River. They suffered heavily from the bitter cold, as they could not start fires out of fear that the Indians would detect their column. The temperature hovered around thirty degrees below zero. But the cold didn’t matter, because they were going to kill Indians…. Malcolm Clarke’s death at the hands of Owl Child had inflamed the public and the cavalry into a state of fury. There had to be repercussions. Owl Child was an ambitious young Indian warrior who thought to gain notice by stealing several of Clarke’s horses. He succeeded at this, but was eventually captured by Clarke and beaten. Now, to beat an Indian warrior in front of his entire camp was unforgivable. Therefore, Owl Child took a band of warriors to Clarke and killed him and several others. And so, on January 23, two hundred soldiers lined along snowy bluffs at the bend of the Marias River. The camp was surrounded, its warriors were away, and most of the remaining Indians were women and small children. Chief Heavy Runner [per Gordon T. he was Chief of the Piegan Tribe whose people are closely related to the Blood Reserve folks of the Blackfoot Nation and were considered peaceful Indians, see below] came out of his lodge waving a safe-conduct paper [issued by the Government]. An army scout, Joe Kipp [the above Joseph Kipp] shouted that it was the wrong camp but was threatened to silence. The soldiers were supposed to be attacking Mountain Chief’s village. Another scout, Joe Cobell, fired a single shot that dropped Heavy Runner in his tracks. The relentless spray of army bullets that was followed was dubbed as the greatest slaughter of Indians ever made by U. S. troops. The hasty count performed by the soldiers revealed 173 dead Indians, as well as the 140 women and children that were captured. The soldiers lost only one man …” [It seems likely to me that Joseph Kipp did not fire a shot as he knew that this was the wrong tribe. gwp] [Gordon Thomas Pace added these additional excerpted comments:] “Sitting Bull has been mentioned in my personal Pace family history throughout my life. My grandfather and his aunt and uncle at Lethbridge, Alberta (1880’s, 1890’s) … had been rather closely associated with Sitting Bull when he spent time near Lethbridge at the Blood Reserve …, according to a DVD on Sitting Bull I bought at the Oklahoma History Centre last summer. I had thought my elder’s comments rather fictitious but now, maybe not… Many people were at my grandfather’s funeral in 1926 at Lethbridge. Over the years, my people didn’t know any of the many people at the funeral; they had just arrived from England but they went to the funeral at Lethbridge. Now we (Fred Pace descendants) figure they were people of the Blood Reserve. And I have this month been approached again by another member of the Pace family, a descendant of Fred Pace, who is a school teacher there and saying her children are taking quite an interest in their family history. Since next year’s Pace Reunion will be held at Bozeman, Montana, I wonder about these facts of history and the sensitivity of such. Could it be that other Pace ancestors were killed in these events? Some interesting findings occur as we pry into history and uncover events of the past.” ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Interesting stuff Gordon. Thanks! One minor correction...in my trying to explain which KIPP was which, I think I created more confusion than clarification... "[In other words Darwin Kipp was a son of Joseph Kipp, who was associated with the Marias River Massacre.]" Actually, Darwin KIPP was the son of a Jesse KIPP. So Darwin wasn't a direct descendant of that Joseph Kipp, but they were cousins. Joseph's father James (the fur trader), was named after Darwin's great-grandfather James (1751-1785). Probably not of great interest to the PACE list, but figured I'd straighten that out in case any KIPP researcher stumbles across this thread in the future. Scott --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Gordon W. Pace <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> wrote: > From: Gordon W. Pace <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> > Subject: [PACE] Pace, Kipp and the Marias River Massacre > To: "pace@rootsweb.com" <pace@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:10 PM > This is Gordon W. Pace.  My > additions to the following are included in brackets. > The following has been slightly reworded for clarity. > On July 14 Gordon Thomas Pace of Ontario, Canada sent me an > interesting email.  Here are most of the > contents:  “You might want to … give consideration > to this rather sensitive part of Pace family history that I > uncovered this past week. > It appears that my Pace family [which goes back to John of > Middlesex and the Shropshire Paces] and Scott Aaron’s Pace > family [which goes back to the Pees/Paces of Prussia] come > together somewhat remotely in associated historical events, > namely the Marias River Massacre of 1870 in Montana which > most likely led up to the great massacre six years later, > the Battle at Little Big Horn, where Custer and Sitting Bull > came together, also in Montana. > This week I discovered the following words in reference to > the Marias River Massacre of 1870 [from] http://www.dickshovel.com/parts2.html > “Joseph Kipp, half-Mandan Indian of North Dakota [was a] > son of white trader James Kipp.  Joseph Kipp married > one of Heavy Runner’s daughters, Martha, [after the Marias > River Massacre] and adopted her children, who had been left > fatherless by the soldiers.” > Gordon T. said, I recognized the surname Kipp from some of > Scott Aaron’s background, quoted as follows: > “David Pace was brother to William Pace who m. Paulina > Chapel – from early registers of the Old Anglican Church, > St. Thomas, Ontario.  Marriage:  26th Dec 1827. > William and Paulina Pace were grandparents to William John > Pace who I have been researching as was Brenda Howorko at > the BC and Alberta Archives, as you probably know, for some > time now.  It’s like so many building blocks of > history coming together.” > [GordonT. notes that the following info comes from:  > www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/yarmouth.htm#david > [The above] David Pace b. abt 1817 and m. Catherine > Everitt.  One of their daughters, Hannah Pace, m. > Darwin Kipp in Yarmouth Twp, Elgin Co, Ontario. > Gordon T. says: so I wrote Scott and asked if he had > further Kipp info or anything that might be related which he > replied: > “The Darwin Kipp you listed was the great-grandson of > James Kipp (1751-1785).  James Kipp (the famous > fur-trader, who was close with many Indian tribes in > Montana) was named after James (1751-1785) … his > uncle.  The Joseph Kipp that you mention was James’ > (the fur trader) son.  [In other words Darwin Kipp was > a son of Joseph Kipp, who was associated with the Marias > River Massacre.]  [Joseph] had a colorful career in > Canada and Montana, being known as “The Merchant Prince of > the High Missouri.”  He testified under oath to the > Indian Claims Commission in February, 1913, forth-three > years after the massacre.” > [Gordon T. sent me a brief description of the Marias River > Massacre but I found a more detailed description online, > which includes an important revelation about Joseph Kipp. > The source is:  > www.montanaheritageproject.org/edheritage/articles/studentessay/marias.htm > It was written by Scott Warnick and following are the > relevant excerpts: > “On January 15, 1870, a detachment of the U. S., Calvary > from Fort Shaw under the command of Major Eugene Baker > marched north towards the Marias River.  They suffered > heavily from the bitter cold, as they could not start fires > out of fear that the Indians would detect their > column.  The temperature hovered around thirty degrees > below zero.  But the cold didn’t matter, because they > were going to kill Indians…. > Malcolm Clarke’s death at the hands of Owl Child had > inflamed the public and the cavalry into a state of > fury.  There had to be repercussions.  Owl Child > was an ambitious young Indian warrior who thought to gain > notice by stealing several of Clarke’s horses.  He > succeeded at this, but was eventually captured by Clarke and > beaten.  Now, to beat an Indian warrior in front of his > entire camp was unforgivable.  Therefore, Owl Child > took a band of warriors to Clarke and killed him and several > others. > And so, on January 23, two hundred soldiers lined along > snowy bluffs at the bend of the Marias River.  The camp > was surrounded, its warriors were away, and most of the > remaining Indians were women and small children. > Chief Heavy Runner [per Gordon T. he was Chief of the > Piegan Tribe whose people are closely related to the Blood > Reserve folks of the Blackfoot Nation and were considered > peaceful Indians, see below] came out of his lodge waving a > safe-conduct paper [issued by the Government].  An army > scout, Joe Kipp [the above Joseph Kipp] shouted that it was > the wrong camp but was threatened to silence.  The > soldiers were supposed to be attacking Mountain Chief’s > village.  Another scout, Joe Cobell, fired a single > shot that dropped Heavy Runner in his tracks.  > The relentless spray of army bullets that was followed was > dubbed as the greatest slaughter of Indians ever made by U. > S. troops.  The hasty count performed by the soldiers > revealed 173 dead Indians, as well as the 140 women and > children that were captured. The soldiers lost only one man > …”  [It seems likely to me that Joseph Kipp did not > fire a shot as he knew that this was the wrong tribe. gwp] > [Gordon Thomas Pace added these additional excerpted > comments:] > “Sitting Bull has been mentioned in my personal Pace > family history throughout my life.  My grandfather and > his aunt and uncle at Lethbridge, Alberta (1880’s, > 1890’s) … had been rather closely associated with > Sitting Bull when he spent time near Lethbridge at the Blood > Reserve …, according to a DVD on Sitting Bull I bought at > the Oklahoma History Centre last summer.  I had thought > my elder’s comments rather fictitious but now, maybe > not… > Many people were at my grandfather’s funeral in 1926 at > Lethbridge.  Over the years, my people didn’t know > any of the many people at the funeral; they had just arrived > from England but they went to the funeral at > Lethbridge.  Now we (Fred Pace descendants) figure they > were people of the Blood Reserve.  And I have this > month been approached again by another member of the Pace > family, a descendant of Fred Pace, who is a school teacher > there and saying her children are taking quite an interest > in their family history. > Since next year’s Pace Reunion will be held at Bozeman, > Montana, I wonder about these facts of history and the > sensitivity of such.  Could it be that other Pace > ancestors were killed in these events?  Some > interesting findings occur as we pry into history and > uncover events of the past.” > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Sarah, The line of this Nancy Pace is her father, John William (Harvill) Pace, Pleasant G. Pace, and Willis Pace b. 1806. It is believed that this Willis is in the William Pace-Ruth Lambert line, probably a son of Wilson. To my knowledge data has not been found to support this belief. Bob Pace On Oct 27, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Sarah Lingwall wrote: > I don't know her but there are names someone might recognize. > > Sarah > > > > DURHAM, Nancy Pace O'Guin Age 88 Centerville. October 20, 2009. Born > to John > and Viola Pace on Jan. 29, 1921, she was a Hickman County native and a > life-long member of the Centerville Church of Christ. Preceded in > death by > her husband of 47 years, Jack Durham, and first husband Brown > O'Guin. She is > survived by son, John Durham and wife Marcille of Brentwood; > brother, Ernest > Pace of Hohenwald; granddaughters, Meredith Durham of Oregon and > Allison > Durham of Nashville. She is also preceded in death by brothers, > Garland, > Sam, Homer, Milton, Searcy, Pleasant, Glenn, Jack, Elivis, and > Chessor Pace, > and sister, Lemma Pace Baker. Visitation at McDonald Funeral Home, > Centerville, will be Tues. Oct. 27 from 3 to 8 p.m. and Wed. 9 to 11 > a.m. > Funeral services is set for Wed. at 11 with burial immediately > following at > Chessor Cemetery. Memorial contributions may be made to the Missions > Fund at > Centerville Church of Christ, 138 North Centeral Ave., Centerville, > TN 37033 > MCDONALD FUNERAL HOME, (931) 729-3561. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I don't know her but there are names someone might recognize. Sarah DURHAM, Nancy Pace O'Guin Age 88 Centerville. October 20, 2009. Born to John and Viola Pace on Jan. 29, 1921, she was a Hickman County native and a life-long member of the Centerville Church of Christ. Preceded in death by her husband of 47 years, Jack Durham, and first husband Brown O'Guin. She is survived by son, John Durham and wife Marcille of Brentwood; brother, Ernest Pace of Hohenwald; granddaughters, Meredith Durham of Oregon and Allison Durham of Nashville. She is also preceded in death by brothers, Garland, Sam, Homer, Milton, Searcy, Pleasant, Glenn, Jack, Elivis, and Chessor Pace, and sister, Lemma Pace Baker. Visitation at McDonald Funeral Home, Centerville, will be Tues. Oct. 27 from 3 to 8 p.m. and Wed. 9 to 11 a.m. Funeral services is set for Wed. at 11 with burial immediately following at Chessor Cemetery. Memorial contributions may be made to the Missions Fund at Centerville Church of Christ, 138 North Centeral Ave., Centerville, TN 37033 MCDONALD FUNERAL HOME, (931) 729-3561.

It might just be coincidence, but we've had TWO DNA submissions from the New Jersey lines that were thought to descend from the German NJ PACE's, that didn't match with the other German PACE DNA tests. Those mismatches could be from a faulty paper trail, an illegitimate birth, etc., but its also possible that one or both of them descend from Welsh PACE's in the area. Scott --- On Sat, 10/24/09, gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> wrote: > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net <gtp3066@nexicom.net> > Subject: Re: [PACE] The Welsh Tract of Pennsylvania - Pace lines with Welsh ancestry > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 5:21 AM > Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > > FYI: > > Family Tree Magazine's Newsletter just mentioned > several places where a > > person might find more information on ancestors with > Welsh ancestry, > > Thanks Kim, > I read the article, surprised to see author's name. The > Maddock/Maddox > Welsh list. I wrote a few times about the Welsh names of > Shropshire, > showing up in colonial Virginia. She was very interested > and others, but > some were not. The list seemed to fold up after she left > running it. > People wanted to shut out previous history, European > origins, only > interested in US. Descended to just two lines that went to > Carolinas, a > UK Maddock said. They had settled in a place where PACE > was. I'd > prepared a report but shelved it after much nastiness came > about on that > list, and now all but died. For sure, the Welsh spirit will > not die out. > Gord Pace > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

My mother's family were Welsh from the Isle of Anglesey and other north Wales shires/counties. If you go to www.genuki.org, you will find lots of links to Welsh ancestry. I belong to several Welsh mailing lists and have found them a fountain of information. Betty Pace On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:21:22 -0400 gtp3066@nexicom.net writes: > Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > > FYI: > > Family Tree Magazine's Newsletter just mentioned several places > where a > > person might find more information on ancestors with Welsh > ancestry, > > Thanks Kim, > I read the article, surprised to see author's name. The > Maddock/Maddox > Welsh list. I wrote a few times about the Welsh names of Shropshire, > > showing up in colonial Virginia. She was very interested and others, > but > some were not. The list seemed to fold up after she left running it. > > People wanted to shut out previous history, European origins, only > interested in US. Descended to just two lines that went to > Carolinas, a > UK Maddock said. They had settled in a place where PACE was. I'd > prepared a report but shelved it after much nastiness came about on > that > list, and now all but died. For sure, the Welsh spirit will not die > out. > Gord Pace > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=6zc3c_ntP_ECdnF4tYUpswAAJ1CAiKdUSf5QppXkvqWvStI4AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA=

Gordon, Most Americans, including myself for a while, seem to be oblivious about their Welsh ancestry or even know much about Wales (except the Prince of Wales who is not Welsh) or its history. For most of us who have ancestors who lived in the southern part of the U.S,, it was always assumed these surnames were English or Scots-Irish. (Of course, most people don't know about the Scots-Irish history either, eh?) There were a ton of Scots-Irish people who migrated to the south. And, many of these people intermarried with people who came from Wales. Why don't we know about our Welsh history? One reason is the majority of the people from the South were poor (and continued to be so until after WWII). The majority also could not read or write (very few free schools until the 1870s) so few families had the luxury of having written histories about where their ancestors came from. Another reason, our history was based mainly on the English experience. Ireland, Scotland and Wales were "lumped" into what was then Great Britain. (Unfortunately, most Americans are also oblivious to the modern "United Kingdom" history, or for that matter, general World History.) And the last reason, although we have many major cultural celebrations in the U.S. and Canada: Irish, Italian, Czech, German, Spanish (and/or Mexican or Cuban), Scots, etc., I haven't heard of one, so far, for the Welsh. When I first started my genealogical research many years ago, I didn't know about some of these things or how they could help or give me clues to finding additional sources on my lines. That is why this list and my membership in the Pace Society has always been so beneficial. People submit possible suggestions or links to more resources, plus I learn about my ancestor's history. For example, a few years ago, who would have guessed about the Welsh ancestry of some of our Paces! Kim -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gtp3066@nexicom.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 7:21 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] The Welsh Tract of Pennsylvania - Pace lines with Welsh ancestry Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > FYI: > Family Tree Magazine's Newsletter just mentioned several places where a > person might find more information on ancestors with Welsh ancestry, Thanks Kim, I read the article, surprised to see author's name. The Maddock/Maddox Welsh list. I wrote a few times about the Welsh names of Shropshire, showing up in colonial Virginia. She was very interested and others, but some were not. The list seemed to fold up after she left running it. People wanted to shut out previous history, European origins, only interested in US. Descended to just two lines that went to Carolinas, a UK Maddock said. They had settled in a place where PACE was. I'd prepared a report but shelved it after much nastiness came about on that list, and now all but died. For sure, the Welsh spirit will not die out. Gord Pace ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, This is one of the first letters I received back in 1998. The writer talks of JOHN BURGESS PACE (his grandfather) who moved to TACOMA, Washington. He was son of CALVIN PACE (62 years old-1881 census) (20 years senior to his wife RACHEL) SUBJECT: PACE Family - VIENNA, Elgin County, ONTARIO, Canada Date: 98-03-10 From: John Terry Looking for ancestors of my great grandfather and great grandmother, CALVIN and RACHEL PACE, pioneers of VIENNA, ONTARIO, CANADA. Per the 1881 Canadian census, CALVIN was 62 years old at the time of the census (20 years senior to his wife RACHEL). He was born in ONTARIO Province about 1819 and of Prussian decent. He was a machinist by trade. Was a member of the Methodist church. RACHEL moved to VIENNA from the NIAGARA District with her family when she was 2 years old (about 1841). Per the 1881 Canadian census RACHEL was born in Ontario and of ENGLISH decent. Her father was a builder of houses and built the first grist mill in Vienna. After she married, she had a farm on the OTTER CREEK Bank overlooking VIENNA. She was a member of the Methodist Brethren in pioneer days. Have newspaper clipping commemorating RACHEL's 98th and 100th birthdays (one printed in the ST THOMAS TIMES, the other from a paper in PORT BURWELL). There son, JOHN BURGESS PACE (my grandfather) moved to TACOMA, WA and married my grandmother SIGNA AUGUSTA ANDERSON. JOHN BURGESS PACE was killed in a hit-and-run auto accident in 1937. Please respond to JOHN TERRY, 211 Campbell, Redlands, CA 92373 ----- We know CALVIN PACE 1830-1908 March 4 1830 had a brother MICHAEL PACE Chr March 10 1830, both MICHAEL & CALVIN were Christened March 10 1830 "Move to WASHINGTON" (in JOHN TERRY's 1998 email) can possibly be linked to another member of this PACE family. WILLIAM JOHN PACE, a son of MICHAEL, CALVIN's brother, also had a leg in WASHINGTON State. WILLIAM JOHN PACE married + MARGARET TIERNEY 1868-1944 MARGARET Malima (Maggie) TIERNEY born 13 Aug 1868 VANCOUVER Washington State US where her family lived and father worked at the time. She died in TORONTO 1944. The TIERNEY family was from OTTAWA, Ontario (Napean) NEW INFO came on JUNE 13, 2009 from a TIERNEY Descendent that indicates the 1901 British Columbia census info on WILLIAM JOHN PACE may not be accurate and points to a PACE family in ONTARIO origin of UNITED EMPIRE LOYALIST background from New Jersey. also mentions WILLIAM JOHN PACE born abt 1863 in either Lambton or Elgin county in Ontario to Michale Pace and Catherine DAVIS - m Elgin county on 12 May 1859 - Michael Pace was a son of William Pace and Paulina Chapel who married Old Anglican Church St. THOMAS, ONTARIO MARRIAGE 26th Dec 1827 I have as the parents of 4 WILLIAM PACE + PAULINA CHAPEL - from early registers of the Old Anglican Church St. THOMAS, ONTARIO MARRIAGE 26th Dec 1827 3 MICHAEL WILLIAM PACE - born NJ 1781 Records regarding Michael Pace (that married Annie Eveland) list that his father William was a loyalist (unlike Johann Michael). NOTE: - "On Dec 2, 1811 Michael Pace filed a land petition requesting a lease on Lot 11, Con 7, Chalotteville Twp. An attached certificate of Jacob Sovereign noted that Michael's father, WILLIAM PACE supported the British cause during the American Revolution and "lost a handsome property which was possessed in New Jersey at the commencement of the American War." This coincides with the 1964 Pace memo that supposes the William Pace that was arrested for "provisioning the enemy" was William Pace, brother of Michael and Daniel. + ANNA EVELAND - married 11 February 1801 SUSSEX Co NJ children - Fred, William, David, Jacob, Samuel, and John E. ----- At this point since much of the early history of this family took place in eastern Pennsylvania with considerable German-Welsh settlement, enough to have towns named of their European origins, and the Prussian family adopted the name spelling PACE, would it not be logical to wonder if there were Paces of Welsh origin in the near vicinity of these Prussian families? More at http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/yarmouth.htm http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info#lew Another interesting piece surfaced this year while going over some PACE family - Montana events - of Fred Pace's 1st Nations wife + MEDICINE BEAR WOMAN - Naa'tookyiaaki who survived the Baker Massacre of 23 January 1870 along the Marias River, east of Fort Benton & Great Falls, Montana which no doubt led to the Battle of Little Big Horn six years later. http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/fredpace.htm#marias this name came up, also of the NJ PACE descendency Joseph Kipp half-Mandan Indian (North Dakota) son of white trader James Kipp Kipp (Joseph) married one of Heavy Runner's daughters, Martha, and adopted her children, who had been left fatherless by the soldiers. He had a colorful career in Canada and Montana, being known as "The Merchant Prince of the High Missouri." He testified under oath to the Indian Claims Commission in February, 1913, forty-three years after the massacre.] The KIPP-PACE names connect DAVID PACE - b abt 1817 + CATHERINE EVERITT 5 HANNAH PACE + DARWIN KIPP - m YARMOUTH Township ELGIN County, Ontario Scott Aaron wrote: The DARWIN KIPP you listed was the great-grandson of JAMES KIPP (1751-1785). JAMES KIPP (the famous fur-trader, who was close with many indian tribes in Montana) was named after JAMES (1751-1785)...his uncle. The JOSEPH KIPP that you mention was JAMES' (the furtrader) son. I'm not sure on the WELSH possibility, but there could be a connection. - SA also shown on the MARIAS SITE a person with name a variation of Pace: Lt. W. B. PEASE Blackfoot Indian Agent Lieutenant William Pease (actually a variation of PACE) acting as a Blackfoot agent, reported the massacre to the Commissioner of Indian Affairs, Ely Samuel Parker, a Civil War veteran, confidante to U.S. Grant and an Iroquois Indian whose real name was Donehogawa demanded a investigation, but the outcome was prevarication as the Army closed ranks with General Sherman saying he would prefer to believe his soldiers. In the end, no official recognition of the massacre was forthcoming and only time has brought a gradual acceptance of the fact of this massacre. The researchers of these events are many, my family has connections to Sitting Bull's time, the 1890s, in southern Alberta, the Blood Tribe, the NWMP, the railways, etc. the PACE family, as well as Charles Russell (Museum at Great Falls) who also spent time with the Bloods and Paces to learn more of the Indian-cowboy early pioneer life so he could paint his famous paintings. So Bob, the paths of Pace family history have intriguing wanderings that hold our interest. Yours has a most interesting background and the descendents continue to emerge and add their pieces, to the story. Gord Pace, gathering up the pieces

Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > FYI: > Family Tree Magazine's Newsletter just mentioned several places where a > person might find more information on ancestors with Welsh ancestry, Thanks Kim, I read the article, surprised to see author's name. The Maddock/Maddox Welsh list. I wrote a few times about the Welsh names of Shropshire, showing up in colonial Virginia. She was very interested and others, but some were not. The list seemed to fold up after she left running it. People wanted to shut out previous history, European origins, only interested in US. Descended to just two lines that went to Carolinas, a UK Maddock said. They had settled in a place where PACE was. I'd prepared a report but shelved it after much nastiness came about on that list, and now all but died. For sure, the Welsh spirit will not die out. Gord Pace

Bob Pace wrote: > Hi gtp, > > I'm the Bob Pace from Luzerne County. I'm interested to know our > connection. > Best regards, > Bob Pace Hi Bob, Luzerne County, a coal mining area. Staffordshire descendents there had a group reunion some time back. PA. has many towns with names indicating origins of early settlers back in UK and Europe, especially Wales. Not sure where German Valley is. All this may tell us today enough people from same European areas settled together, their origin names re-established as town names. Maybe a good place to look. PACE must have been popular enough, where your ancestors settled for them to adopt it's spelling. William Penn from http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/now-what-welsh-tract > The Welsh tract is a 40,000-acre area west of Philadelphia that was heavily settled by Welsh Quakers. The original settlers unsuccessfully negotiated with William Penn in 1684 to make the tract a separate county whose government would use the Welsh language. This happened in Ohio > http://www.venedocia.org/ohiomag.html > VENEDOCIA, Ohio - A Welsh Town - Congregation founded 1848 - pre 1895 all church services in the village were exclusively in the Welsh language. Many descendents of the NJ-Ontario Pace family have written to me over the years. The story of travel and activity of their ancestors is interesting; it intersects with my ancestors. Much of the story is at http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/fredpace GTPace

FYI: Family Tree Magazine's Newsletter just mentioned several places where a person might find more information on ancestors with Welsh ancestry, especially those who immigrated first to the Welsh Tract of Pennsylvania (Also originally included parts of what is now Maryland and Delaware) and then later to the Pee Dee River area in South Carolina. Quakers were not the only initial setters. Later there were Baptists and Presbyterians. Many of the Welsh Neck Baptist group moved down to South Carolina and had a prosperous settlement. Family tradition states that the Frederick Pace was from Wales. This Pace group was first noted on the census in South Carolina and from around this area. And, Frederick Pace's children were members of Baptist congregations. So far, I have not found anything that indicates there were any Paces who came from the Welsh Tract area, but it is still a possibility. It could also be a clue for others of you who have allied lines who married into Welsh ancestry and came from this area. http://members.macconnect.com/users/d/dalex/html/beingwelsh-places.html Another source mentioned was the "History of the State of Delaware" by Henry Clay Conrad. It can also be found on Google Books. Plus, there are many more mentioned on their website: http://www.familytreemagazine.com/article/now-what-welsh-tract For a history on the Welsh Neck Baptist: http://www.darcosc.com/History/ http://www.archive.org/stream/ageneralhistory03benegoog/ageneralhistory03ben egoog_djvu.txt Kim Stracener Zapalac

Hi gtp, I'm the Bob Pace from Luzerne County. I'm interested to know our connection. Best regards, Bob Pace -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gtp3066@nexicom.net Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:30 AM To: Roy Johnson; pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Pace Society of America Thanks Roy, It's interesting to see evidence of ancestors or relationships present, wherever they may be found. I'd stopped for gas at Wilks-Barre once and while there I wondered if any Staffordshire miners had ever come there to work in the local coal mines in that part of Pennsylvania. When leaving the gas station I noticed the street name was STAFFORD Street, which seemed to answer what I had been wondering about. Another time I was to Sydney, Nova Scotia, another coal mining and steel mill area. Driving downtown I noticed STAFFORD Street and PITT Street were main streets downtown Sydney. Looking in the phone book I saw several CORBETT names. I phoned a few but couldn't get the right response I was looking for. Many Paces there but mainly of the Darius & James line. Last summer I was to Lethbridge, Alberta to see my grandfather's grave again. Many street names at Lethbridge have Staffordshire names. Maybe the same at Crowsnest Pass, Frank, Alberta. Local histories mention the many Staffordshire miners. William John Pace, NJ-Ontario German Pace line worked at Crowsnest Pass, for a local coal company too. These small details of available evidence make for good historical accounts of these colourfull bygone folk. Also at Crowsnest Pass was a train robbery. Sam Jones, my granfather's relative, was the train conductor. Interesting chapter in a book written about early train history of the area. All great stuff. Thanks again, GTP Roy Johnson wrote: > Yes. He is 157411. Check the Pees=Pace chart and you will see him and his > most ancient known ancestor listed. > > I had to check the database carefully. I have at least a half dozen Bob or > Robert Paces. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net [mailto:gtp3066@nexicom.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:10 PM > To: Roy Johnson > Subject: Re: [PACE] Pace Society of America > > Roy, > > Re: Bob Pace in Luzerne County PA. > My question is this: > > Has he done the DNA test > to know he actually DOES descend from German Paces? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Roy, It's interesting to see evidence of ancestors or relationships present, wherever they may be found. I'd stopped for gas at Wilks-Barre once and while there I wondered if any Staffordshire miners had ever come there to work in the local coal mines in that part of Pennsylvania. When leaving the gas station I noticed the street name was STAFFORD Street, which seemed to answer what I had been wondering about. Another time I was to Sydney, Nova Scotia, another coal mining and steel mill area. Driving downtown I noticed STAFFORD Street and PITT Street were main streets downtown Sydney. Looking in the phone book I saw several CORBETT names. I phoned a few but couldn't get the right response I was looking for. Many Paces there but mainly of the Darius & James line. Last summer I was to Lethbridge, Alberta to see my grandfather's grave again. Many street names at Lethbridge have Staffordshire names. Maybe the same at Crowsnest Pass, Frank, Alberta. Local histories mention the many Staffordshire miners. William John Pace, NJ-Ontario German Pace line worked at Crowsnest Pass, for a local coal company too. These small details of available evidence make for good historical accounts of these colourfull bygone folk. Also at Crowsnest Pass was a train robbery. Sam Jones, my granfather's relative, was the train conductor. Interesting chapter in a book written about early train history of the area. All great stuff. Thanks again, GTP Roy Johnson wrote: > Yes. He is 157411. Check the Pees=Pace chart and you will see him and his > most ancient known ancestor listed. > > I had to check the database carefully. I have at least a half dozen Bob or > Robert Paces. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: gtp3066@nexicom.net [mailto:gtp3066@nexicom.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:10 PM > To: Roy Johnson > Subject: Re: [PACE] Pace Society of America > > Roy, > > Re: Bob Pace in Luzerne County PA. > My question is this: > > Has he done the DNA test > to know he actually DOES descend from German Paces?

Here's another encouraging response. I expect one needs to be on a high speed internet connection to gain any productive access. GTP Thanks to Angela Jones for her tip on the availability of copies of Wills on-line. We have uncovered three wills from 1670-1750 concerning family members, and that's without searching for surname spelling variations. Thanks for a most useful tip Margaret & George Richards ---- MIDMARCH Mailing List ---- A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester

The National Library of Wales has a web site that looks interesting. A recent email to the Midmarch list: For the last couple of days it has been possible to access wills on line that were previously accessible by visiting the National Library of Wales. Not sure if this is the complete collection but I found several of mine available. If you go to www.llgc.org.uk and select family history, then search archival databases scroll down the page and select probate this leads you to a search page. Happy hunting Angie Jones Listowner midmarch@rootsweb.com Here's the link to The National Library of Wales genealogical sources database: http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=247 Thanks from me also. I found my 4x gt grandfather's will. Wonderful. Raewyn Some of the internal links: http://www.llgc.org.uk/ The National Library of Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=247 http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=244 Introduction to Family History at The National Library of Wales http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=independentresearchers List of Independent Researchers I tried some of the choices but my browser crashed repeatedly, a local problem I expect. Hopefully others may have success. GTPace

Roy Johnson wrote: > Some time ago someone posted a link to a database with the names of two > military Paces in the 1300s. I decided to research further the times and > circumstances and see if I could "flesh out" these two Paces, give the > historical circumstances of their times, and perhaps speculate on what > military engagements they may have been involved in. I put this on the Pace > Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/EarlyPacesinEngland/ > > The original file was found at > > http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/search_musterdb.php > > Perhaps Gordon would want to link to this file on the Pace Society page or > put the entire thing on the society page. > Roy, I'm working on putting together some pages as a sort of teaching-aid which has some pages that advance automatically. The French-English relationship and rivalry is a part of history that often gets overlooked or poorly understood. So far, I have a few pages but will add as more as needed, and as you may want to suggest, to 'bring these early Paces to life.' As you know, many French spellings still exist in the English speaking world, such as honour, harbour, neighbour, centre, very popular even today outside the US and it was said the French language was the official language in England for 600 years after William the Conquerer came to England. To see what I've got done so far you can go to the site map part of http://www.pacesociety.org/psanews.html#first and click under words 'SITE MAP' on the link "Early Paces of the 1300s by Roy Johnson" or click on http://www.pacesociety.org/reunion/1300s.htm Gord

Roy Johnson wrote: > Some time ago someone posted a link to a database with the names of two > military Paces in the 1300s. I decided to research further the times and > circumstances and see if I could "flesh out" these two Paces, give the > historical circumstances of their times, and perhaps speculate on what > military engagements they may have been involved in. I put this on the Pace > Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/EarlyPacesinEngland/ > The original file was found at > http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/search_musterdb.php > > Perhaps Gordon would want to link to this file on the Pace Society page or > put the entire thing on the society page. > > Roy Johnson Sounds like a good idea, I'll make up a new page on the site. I may need help collecting the info you mention as I searched all three catagories at the above site and no PACE came up but I may have enough from your post. I can add the Thomas Pace of Southampton, Holbury and Beaulieu c. 1500-1559 or later as sent me by the archivist of Beaulieu Abbey. Your mention of naval activity is appropriate here as Beaulieu is situated south of Southampton in the 'New Forest' another Royal Forest where trees were used to build ships of the Royal Navy. The port of Buckler's Hard is noteworthy here. from Beaulieu (Hampshire) archives: Notes from The Waterside Association (no references given) In 1533 the manor of Holbury, east of Beaulieu, and belonging to the Abbey, was leased to the Pace family. Thomas Pace of Southampton (there were Paces living in the Bitterne area of the town around 1500) may have been a nephew of Thomas Skevington, Abbot of Beaulieu and Bishop of Bangor. (the following may sound confusing, with other facts we've learned of Richard Pace the Dean of St. Pauls). After receiving legal training, he acted as an intermediary between Cardinal Wolsey and the Bishop of Bangor re: a Richard Pace, possibly another member of the family. Richard was a leading scholar used by Henry VIII in diplomatic missions, but had unfortunately become mentally ill and put in the Bishop’s care by Wolsey. Thomas Pace leased the manor of Cadland [SE of Holbury and Beaulieu] in 1546, which was sold to his daughter Alice, wife of George Powlett, after the death of the owner, the 1st Earl of Southampton in 1550 (he also owned Beaulieu). He became a burgess of Southampton and owned a house in the town by 1550. Pace’s will, dated 10th September 1559, refers to his “new house at Holbury”, suggesting he carried out building work. Augmentations Office; Miscellaneous Books, Public Record Office E315/239/79ff 06-04-1521 Thomas Pace and another appointed to various offices in lands near the River Avon on the Hampshire-Wiltshire border 22-06-1521 Thomas Pace one of the Keepers of the Abbey’s deer parks at the Park of Througham, Beaulieu 30-09-1531 Thomas Pace and another appointed stewards of Northleigh, Oxfordshire 06-02-1534 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury; he is described as the son of John & Alice Pace of Holbury 01-03-1537 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury 27-08-1537 Thomas Pace and another held offices in Faringdon annuity 20-09-1537 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury 20-09-1539 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes lodging or house within the Abbey It was aforesaid above that this 'New Forest' was a Royal Forest and used exclusively for the building Royal navy ships of the day so when combined with: "01-03-1537 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesfordes mede within the Abbey and had rights of timber at Holbury" - He must have been rather influential, rich or both. Public Record Office E117/14 (36/1/4/6) 08-05-1538 Indenture by John Freeman (commissioner for taking down lead and bells of Beaulieu Abbey) recording certification by Thomas Pace. Letter from Pace explaining his part in the certification 20-06-1556 Hampshire Record Office 5M53 10-05-1530 Thomas Pace leasing Gaynesforde Lodging (no. 67) 20-01-1535/6 Thomas Pace & others [churchwardens ?] leasing the Crosshouse near the Mill Pond (no. 68) Beaulieu: King John’s Abbey by Dom Frederick Hockey 20-11-1537 Thomas Pace recorded as being owed £99 by Beaulieu Abbey [Public Record Office SC 6/Hen. 8/7417] 20-12-1541 Thomas Pace presented Thomas White, probably a former monk of Beaulieu Abbey, to the living of Newchurch, Isle of Wight 30-04-1542 Thomas Pace leasing St. Leonard’s, Beck, Gins, Warren and Sowley Pond, all on the Beaulieu Estate [Hampshire Record Office 5M53/766] There are actually two men by the name of Thomas Pace connected with Beaulieu Abbey - one the Abbot of Beaulieu and Bishop of Bangor (in north WALES, also has a university), whom we refer to as Thomas Skevington, to make our life easier! It was the Cistercian custom to name monks after their place of origin, in this case, Skeffington in Leicestershire. Another Thomas Pace, possibly his nephew, was involved in Beaulieu affairs from the 1520's. The ruined abbey of Beaulieu is the main connection with Thomas Skevington at Beaulieu today; although he is said to have been buried in the Church, no location has been found. There is however, a small reminder in the Lower Drawing Room of Palace House (one the Great Gatehouse to the Abbey) - during rebuilding work in the 1870's, the present Lord Montagu's grandfather and his architect, Sir Arthur Blomfield wanted to reflect the religious origins of the site and building, and took the decision to include small stained glass shields in the windows. One of those chosen was Thomas Skevington's arms of the see of Bangor, seen to the right of the Beaulieu Abbey arms. also of interest: THE PACE PEDIGREE that Noble Hamilton Pace and myself have says: (interesting story on it's origins and how Noble and myself came across this document but another story) Maybe this should be available in the PACE BOOKSTORE. It is on page 3 of Noble Pace's book and I've posted it from my PACE-WEBBER copy at: http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/noble.htm along with some notes on the originator of the 1911 letter, from Charles L. Pace to Edward A. Pace, containing the pedigree. Who was CHARLES L. PACE? - I found him in the 1881 census of Britain. The 1881 census shows CHARLES PACE of Heaton Lancashire (near Southport), born Whitchurch, Shropshire. Dwelling: Markland Hill, Heaton, Lancashire Charles PACE 35 born Whitchurch, Shropshire Occ Gardener Domestic Elizabeth PACE 32 Wife born Llanfyllin, Montgomery, Wales Elizth. Jane PACE 4 Daur born Heaton, Lancashire The Edward A. Pace is possibly from my family but I'm not certain, my family had the pedigree and the name Edward Arthur Pace is in my family but these facts I can not ascertain. The story on how Noble Pace aquired the letter is a credible path of migration of related ADAMS relatives from the UK to the US. Anyway, enough said, here is the wording of the pedigree: A JOHN PACE of LEICESTERSHIRE, is recorded as being the father of THOMAS and JOHN PACE. JOHN Sr. was married to MARGARET COLBY, daughter of WILLIAM COLBY and ALICE HOUGHTON COLBY, and granddaughter and heiress of HUGH HOUGHTON de HOUGHTON. JOHN Jr. was married to ALICE READE, daughter of RICHARD READE. Gord Pace Ontario,Can. see BEAULIEU site http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/beaulieu/index Beaulieu, one of the South of England’s top day visitor attractions, is set in the heart of the New Forest, the UK’s newest National Park. Beaulieu is a guaranteed great family day out with lots for everyone to enjoy including the world famous National Motor Museum, Palace House, home of the Montagu family, and historic Beaulieu Abbey. It is located within easy reach of the popular tourist destinations of Bournemouth, Southampton and Winchester.

I just revised and improved my posting on the two Paces of the1300s who were found in an English database, with some helpful added information from Larry Pace. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/EarlyPacesinEngland/ A very historical novel on this era is KATHERINE by Anya Seton, available on Amazon.com. It details the romance of Katherine Swynford and John of Gaunt, perhaps the leading figure of this era. Reading historical fiction, if it is true to the facts, is a fun way of learning history. Roy Johnson