In a message dated 12/12/2009 12:38:51 PM Central Standard Time, royj@webster.edu writes: > http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm Roy, if you are not a paid member, can you get that webpage where you explain DNA? I am DNA challenged also. Addie Pace-Glasgow

In a message dated 12/12/2009 12:38:51 PM Central Standard Time, royj@webster.edu writes: > http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm

Your's was an absolutely priceless response, Judith. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with math or science did you? -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA explained I think that explanation would be more appropriate for April Fool's Day. At 02:55 PM 12/12/2009, you wrote: >DNA is the magic stuff that controls who we are. If you are a male you >have an X and a Y gene. The Y gene (the most important) comes from your >father and his father and his father's father back until the beginning of >time. The Y gene contains the IQ for math and sciences. This is why girls >cant do those subjects. The X gene comes from your Mother and her mother >and her mother's mother line all the way back. This is why it is >important when chosing your wife to look at her mother. If she is fat, >your wife will be also. And since this gene is passed to your child, if >you mother in law doesnt like you, your kids wont either. > >I hope this helps. Remember without the past, we would have no >furture. Merry Christmas all > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 12:30 pm >Subject: [PACE] DNA explained > > >A recent email from a member of the list who felt he was a bit "DNA >hallenged" led to my sending him a simplified explanation that I had been >orking on. He said it was helpful, so I worked it over a couple more times >nd uploaded it to the Internet. > >I would invite one and all to look at it and give me feedback. Those who are >nowledgeable about DNA should let me know if I oversimplified or was >ncorrect on anything, and those who need a simplified explanation can let >e know if it worked for you. I have not linked to it from the DNA page yet >ntil I am fairly certain it will be helpful. > >You will find it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm > >Your comments, please. > >Roy Johnson > >------------------------------ >o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com >ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >he message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes. You can get the web page just by clicking that URL or pasting it into your browser. You can also participate in the DNA study on behalf of a male relative. The only restriction is on the Pace archives of documents. The Pace Society home page and everything else is open to everyone. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fpg0663@wmconnect.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:42 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA explained In a message dated 12/12/2009 12:38:51 PM Central Standard Time, royj@webster.edu writes: > http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm Roy, if you are not a paid member, can you get that webpage where you explain DNA? I am DNA challenged also. Addie Pace-Glasgow ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The sender of that message has emailed me that it was intended as tongue in cheek and a joke. I hoped to get discussion of my article, but it seems this message has sidetracked things a bit. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jon Pace Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:57 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA explained Your's was an absolutely priceless response, Judith. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with math or science did you? -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judith Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA explained I think that explanation would be more appropriate for April Fool's Day. At 02:55 PM 12/12/2009, you wrote: >DNA is the magic stuff that controls who we are. If you are a male you >have an X and a Y gene. The Y gene (the most important) comes from your >father and his father and his father's father back until the beginning of >time. The Y gene contains the IQ for math and sciences. This is why girls >cant do those subjects. The X gene comes from your Mother and her mother >and her mother's mother line all the way back. This is why it is >important when chosing your wife to look at her mother. If she is fat, >your wife will be also. And since this gene is passed to your child, if >you mother in law doesnt like you, your kids wont either. > >I hope this helps. Remember without the past, we would have no >furture. Merry Christmas all > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 12:30 pm >Subject: [PACE] DNA explained > > >A recent email from a member of the list who felt he was a bit "DNA >hallenged" led to my sending him a simplified explanation that I had been >orking on. He said it was helpful, so I worked it over a couple more times >nd uploaded it to the Internet. > >I would invite one and all to look at it and give me feedback. Those who are >nowledgeable about DNA should let me know if I oversimplified or was >ncorrect on anything, and those who need a simplified explanation can let >e know if it worked for you. I have not linked to it from the DNA page yet >ntil I am fairly certain it will be helpful. > >You will find it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm > >Your comments, please. > >Roy Johnson > >------------------------------ >o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com >ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >he message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that explanation would be more appropriate for April Fool's Day. At 02:55 PM 12/12/2009, you wrote: >DNA is the magic stuff that controls who we are. If you are a male you >have an X and a Y gene. The Y gene (the most important) comes from your >father and his father and his father's father back until the beginning of >time. The Y gene contains the IQ for math and sciences. This is why girls >cant do those subjects. The X gene comes from your Mother and her mother >and her mother's mother line all the way back. This is why it is >important when chosing your wife to look at her mother. If she is fat, >your wife will be also. And since this gene is passed to your child, if >you mother in law doesnt like you, your kids wont either. > >I hope this helps. Remember without the past, we would have no >furture. Merry Christmas all > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 12:30 pm >Subject: [PACE] DNA explained > > >A recent email from a member of the list who felt he was a bit "DNA >hallenged" led to my sending him a simplified explanation that I had been >orking on. He said it was helpful, so I worked it over a couple more times >nd uploaded it to the Internet. > >I would invite one and all to look at it and give me feedback. Those who are >nowledgeable about DNA should let me know if I oversimplified or was >ncorrect on anything, and those who need a simplified explanation can let >e know if it worked for you. I have not linked to it from the DNA page yet >ntil I am fairly certain it will be helpful. > >You will find it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm > >Your comments, please. > >Roy Johnson > >------------------------------ >o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com >ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >he message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

DNA is the magic stuff that controls who we are. If you are a male you have an X and a Y gene. The Y gene (the most important) comes from your father and his father and his father's father back until the beginning of time. The Y gene contains the IQ for math and sciences. This is why girls cant do those subjects. The X gene comes from your Mother and her mother and her mother's mother line all the way back. This is why it is important when chosing your wife to look at her mother. If she is fat, your wife will be also. And since this gene is passed to your child, if you mother in law doesnt like you, your kids wont either. I hope this helps. Remember without the past, we would have no furture. Merry Christmas all -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [PACE] DNA explained A recent email from a member of the list who felt he was a bit "DNA hallenged" led to my sending him a simplified explanation that I had been orking on. He said it was helpful, so I worked it over a couple more times nd uploaded it to the Internet. I would invite one and all to look at it and give me feedback. Those who are nowledgeable about DNA should let me know if I oversimplified or was ncorrect on anything, and those who need a simplified explanation can let e know if it worked for you. I have not linked to it from the DNA page yet ntil I am fairly certain it will be helpful. You will find it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm Your comments, please. Roy Johnson ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I don't quite agree with all of that. Being fat is a combination of genetics and lifestyle. When I was young maybe one out of every four or five people was overweight, and that not grossly so as I see so many today. Yet today it's more like four out of five--same genes. Also I believe likes and dislikes are more from environmental conditioning than from genes. Is this a suggestion for improvement or change on the URL that I gave? I thought I covered the central idea of what you said about X and Y. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jrb6886@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:55 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] DNA explained DNA is the magic stuff that controls who we are. If you are a male you have an X and a Y gene. The Y gene (the most important) comes from your father and his father and his father's father back until the beginning of time. The Y gene contains the IQ for math and sciences. This is why girls cant do those subjects. The X gene comes from your Mother and her mother and her mother's mother line all the way back. This is why it is important when chosing your wife to look at her mother. If she is fat, your wife will be also. And since this gene is passed to your child, if you mother in law doesnt like you, your kids wont either. I hope this helps. Remember without the past, we would have no furture. Merry Christmas all -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 12:30 pm Subject: [PACE] DNA explained A recent email from a member of the list who felt he was a bit "DNA hallenged" led to my sending him a simplified explanation that I had been orking on. He said it was helpful, so I worked it over a couple more times nd uploaded it to the Internet. I would invite one and all to look at it and give me feedback. Those who are nowledgeable about DNA should let me know if I oversimplified or was ncorrect on anything, and those who need a simplified explanation can let e know if it worked for you. I have not linked to it from the DNA page yet ntil I am fairly certain it will be helpful. You will find it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm Your comments, please. Roy Johnson ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A recent email from a member of the list who felt he was a bit "DNA challenged" led to my sending him a simplified explanation that I had been working on. He said it was helpful, so I worked it over a couple more times and uploaded it to the Internet. I would invite one and all to look at it and give me feedback. Those who are knowledgeable about DNA should let me know if I oversimplified or was incorrect on anything, and those who need a simplified explanation can let me know if it worked for you. I have not linked to it from the DNA page yet until I am fairly certain it will be helpful. You will find it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm Your comments, please. Roy Johnson

I just received this notice and thought there would be many interested people.  Rebecca Christensen --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Mmaker52 <mmaker52@aol.com> wrote: From: Mmaker52 <mmaker52@aol.com> Subject: [NCBERTIE] New Info Available from our State Archives To: ncbertie-l@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 6:32 AM Received the following message from our NC GEN WEB.  Thought I would share it with you all.  Hope this will be of some interest to some of you Claudia Harrell Williams CC Bertie County I cannot contain my excitement!!!! The NC State Archives announced today that the newspaper digitization project is now available online - http://www.archives.ncdcr.gov/newspaper/index.html They have digitized many papers -- from their site, "These materials include papers dating from 1752-1890s from cities like Edenton (1787-1801), Fayetteville (1798-1795), Hillsboro (1786), New Bern (1751-1804), Salisbury (1799-1898), and Wilmington (1765-1816) - a total of 23,483 digital images that are keyword searchable."

James, Did you happen to note which tribes were in Edgecombe Co. NC about 1785? My Alsey Pace's mother was an American Indian, father Stephen Pace (son of John and Sarah Burge Pace) and I believe Stephen was in Edgecombe Co. around 1785. I have been to the book posting but don't know what to search for. Bety Pace On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:34 -0800 (PST) James Pace <jrpace62@yahoo.com> writes: > > > > > > > > > Here is an interesting book on the the history of Edgecombe Co., > NC.:----- > > J. Kelley Turner & Jno. L. Bridgers, �History of Edgecombe > County North Carolina,� Edwards & Broughton Pub., Raleigh, NC, > 1920. > .pdf file at > http://books.google.com/books?id=s_QOAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=hist ory+edgecombe+county+north+carolina > > The book was published locally in 1920, and offers a history free > from currently fashionable political correctness, with its > associated detritus. The opening part of the book, pp. 13 - 104, is > concerned with the history of settlement, colonial government, and > rebellion through to the era of the Revolutionary War. > > The book starts with a brief description of the Indian tribes > indigenous to the old Albemarle area of NC. After 1710, �The > migration was slow. A few young men, more energetic and with a more > restless disposition than their neighbors, determined to seek new > lands in a more fertile country. There were probably only fifteen or > twenty men who came from Nansemond (VA) by way of the wilderness to > the frontier of the Albemarle section, with no provision or > equipment, except a rifle and a bag of ammunition, to supply their > needs. These men did not come as conquerors, nor as outcasts.� > There then follows a discussion of conflict with the local Indian > tribes in the Edgecombe Co. area. Most genealogy studies ignore this > question of warfare when trying to trace families, ignoring the > possible attenuation of families through this cause. By 1722 the > local troubles were over essentially. As I understand it, John Pace > was issued a land patent in 1713, but he did not > immediately take possession of said land. Perhaps it was the > situation with the Indians that caused him to delay his departure to > NC. > > There followed a second tide of immigration. Increasing population > led to demands to organize the area of Edgecombe into ultimately a > county. Around 1740 there an increase in immigration to Edgecombe, > including some monied settlers. Some of the names mentioned in the > text might be familiar. > Chapter II is concerned with colonial government and politics. The > politics of county formation, taxes, and representation are > discussed among other topics. Chapter III is entitled > �Revolution.� There is a discussion of problems between Tories > and Patriots. > > James R. Pace > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Dx9B2tkmkI47yAqNU-QOZwAAJ1CAiKdUSf5QppXkvqWvStI4AAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA=

Betty, The main Native American Indian group that was in North Carolina during 1785 was the Cherokee. There is still a group of them residing in North Carolina that escaped from being forcefully removed a few decades later (Trail of Tears) to what is now Oklahoma. Kim Zapalac

                Here is an interesting book on the the history of Edgecombe Co., NC.:-----    J. Kelley Turner & Jno. L. Bridgers, “History of Edgecombe County North Carolina,” Edwards & Broughton Pub., Raleigh, NC, 1920. .pdf file at http://books.google.com/books?id=s_QOAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+edgecombe+county+north+carolina   The book was published locally in 1920, and offers a history free from currently fashionable political correctness, with its associated detritus. The opening part of the book, pp. 13 - 104, is concerned with the history of settlement, colonial government, and rebellion through to the era of the Revolutionary War.   The book starts with a brief description of the Indian tribes indigenous to the old Albemarle area of NC. After 1710, “The migration was slow. A few young men, more energetic and with a more restless disposition than their neighbors, determined to seek new lands in a more fertile country. There were probably only fifteen or twenty men who came from Nansemond (VA) by way of the wilderness to the frontier of the Albemarle section, with no provision or equipment, except a rifle and a bag of ammunition, to supply their needs. These men did not come as conquerors, nor as outcasts.” There then follows a discussion of conflict with the local Indian tribes in the Edgecombe Co. area. Most genealogy studies ignore this question of warfare when trying to trace families, ignoring the possible attenuation of families through this cause. By 1722 the local troubles were over essentially. As I understand it, John Pace was issued a land patent in 1713, but he did not immediately take possession of said land. Perhaps it was the situation with the Indians that caused him to delay his departure to NC.   There followed a second tide of immigration. Increasing population led to demands to organize the area of Edgecombe into ultimately a county. Around 1740 there an increase in immigration to Edgecombe, including some monied settlers. Some of the names mentioned in the text might be familiar. Chapter II is concerned with colonial government and politics. The politics of county formation, taxes, and representation are discussed among other topics. Chapter III is entitled ‘Revolution.’ There is a discussion of problems between Tories and Patriots.   James R. Pace

North Carolina reserved the right to grant land in what was the Washington District of North Carolina when the area was ceded to the United States about 1790. I'd guess that was to give time to complete paper work on pending grants. Washington County, North Carolina was formed about 1777 and took in the whole Washington District. This Washington County is not the present day Washington County, North Carolina. Sullivan County, North Carolina, was formed shortly thereafter from Washington County in 1779 followed by formation of Davidson County and Greene County in 1783 from Sullivan County, Hawkins County in 1787 from Sullivan and Tennessee County in 1788 from Washington County. North Carolina never recognized the aborted State of Franklin and it's counties. Jim Brown In a message dated 12/7/2009 3:13:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pace-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Why Choose Wycke for First name? (James Pace) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:45:39 -0800 (PST) From: James Pace <jrpace62@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PACE] Why Choose Wycke for First name? To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <348905.34376.qm@web51408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? John R. Pace, son of William Pace and Secily Walker, married Sarah Hunt, so it has been accepted. Genealogist Edna Z. Cabler suggested that Sarah was the brother of a Levi Hunt. This begs the question: who was Levi Hunt? Taking Edna?s hint, I searched for LEVI HUNT on the Web. I found only one relevant Levi Hunt in Robertson Co. He appears in the 1850 Robertson Co. Census. He was 44 years old, a farmer, and was born in TN. If he was Sarah's brother, he was her younger brother. Levi Hunt, born 1806, was the son of William Hunt and Francis Lewis. William Hunt was born 9 Nov 1768 in Franklin Co., NC. He was the son of James Hunt, born 24 July 1732 in or around Brunswick Co., VA. He married Mary Rackley, born about 1735 in VA. Here is the interesting part. On 19 July 1797, James Hunt purchased 640 acres from the State of North Carolina. This land was in the Old Tennessee County, which was broken up after TN became a state. Robertson and Montgomery Counties were part of Tennessee Co. James's land fell in Robertson Co. James Hunt moved to this land early on. His will, dated 22 Aug 1803, was proved in Robertson Co. in Feb 1805. Some of his heirs moved to Georgia, but others remained in Tennessee. Son William was left 100 acres, part of the old homestead, 1 feather bed and 1 saw. Among his heirs listed were: Henry, Moses (moved to GA), Shadrack, Matthew, WILLIAM, Sion and John. Matthew married 13 Nov 1797 in Davidson Co., TN. James Hunt was the son of Henry Hunt, born about 1700 in Surry Co., VA, died about 1750 in Granville Co., NC. He married Agnes __. Henry Hunt was the son of William Hunt III, born about 1675 in Charles City Co., VA, died before 10 Apr 1727 in Surry. He married Sarah Wyche (?) (Abt. 1680 - aft. 1728). Sarah was the daughter of Henry II Wyche (27 Jan 1647/48 - Bef. 18 Mar 1713/14). He was born in Sutton, Surrey, England and died in Surry Co., VA. The marriage of Sarah Wyche to Henry Hunt is to be found in Hunt family genealogies. Henry II Wyche was the son of Henry Rector de Sutton I Wyche. The Hunt family appears to be well documented. Now the Wyche family can be found in one of several studies of seventeenth century immigrants to America with demonstrable Plantagenet ancestry. An example of such a reference is : Richardson, Douglas, "Plantagenet Ancestry, A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families," Baltimore, Gen. Pub. Co., Inc., 2004 Back to Levi Hunt. On page 6 of the 1820 Census for Robertson Co.,TN, Springfield Township, the following are listed: third from the bottom of the page William Pace, 5th from the bottom William Pace and 6th from the bottom Demsey Pace. On the same page is Jordan Hunt (grandson of James Hunt, Sr.), Henry Hunt, and WILLIAM HUNT. On page 5, there is a John Hunt; on page 3, Shadrach. On page 0, there is a James Hunt. One source suggests that William Hunt had 3 daughters and 7 sons, not all identified as yet. This opinion is based on the study of census records. William Hunt's death has been placed by some as around 1832. This seems to be because he can't be found on the 1840 census. However, there are 6 Hunt wills in Robertson Co. around 1840: Henry Hunt 1843, Sion Hunt 1847, Shadrack Hunt 1847, a Thomas Hunt (?)1842, and two William Hunts, 1843 and 1844. These wills may supply some information, although I think Sarah Pace, nee Hunt, died before 1840 (Sistler, Index to TN Wills & Administrations, 1779-1861). ? Still, I do not have any direct evidence that Sarah Hunt was either the brother of Levi or the daughter of William Hunt, or the granddaughter of James Hunt, Sr. It is possible. It seems even more likely that Sarah was the granddaughter of James Hunt, Sr. William Pace, Sr. certainly knew of the Hunts. William had land dealings in Franklin Co., NC at the same time as James Hunt. They both moved to Robertson Co. about the same time. Their economic and social backgrounds seem similar. The Pace and Hunt children probably associated with one another, as they lived in close proximity. This brings me back to Wyche Pace, whose ancestry seems to be in doubt. Evidently, Wyche hailed from Robertson Co. His being named Wyche might be attributed to family pride, if he is connected to the Hunts or even the Wyche family. It is tempting to assign him to Sarah Hunt, perhaps her first born. Sarah then would have named him after her Wyche ancestor. I noted before that John Pace may have remarried after Sarah?s death. This factum appears in: Whitley, Edythe Rucker, "Marriages of Robertson Co. TN, 1839-1861", Baltimore, Gen. Pub. Co., Inc., 1981. James R. Pace ------------------------------ To contact the PACE list administrator, send an email to PACE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the PACE mailing list, send an email to PACE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of PACE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 387 ************************************

Matt, We would all like to be helpful but we will need more information. A quick look did not turn up any obvious choices. What about full names; more birth and death detail. What state or states? The county of the state would be very helpful. Also, the subject of your email is "Ransom Pace". How is he connected to your father and grandfather? Jonathan A Pace Marietta, GA _____ From: MATT PACE [mailto:matthewpace@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:54 PM To: Pace@rootsweb.com; vernie@coastalnow.net; bapace2@juno.com; jon_pace@bellsouth.net; rickypace@alltel.net Subject: ransom pace Wow, kind of stumbled on this and was looking to help/get info. My name is Matthew Pace, and I am trying to get a family tree if there is one out there. I can also fill in some of it if there is a missing piece. My Father was Thomas Pace (1950-2000), his father was Troy Pace (?-1986?) he was married to Marie. I have 2 boys. Trying to find out more if you can help that would be great. If I can fill in some info that would be no problem. Thanks Matt

Wow, kind of stumbled on this and was looking to help/get info. My name is Matthew Pace, and I am trying to get a family tree if there is one out there. I can also fill in some of it if there is a missing piece. My Father was Thomas Pace (1950-2000), his father was Troy Pace (?-1986?) he was married to Marie. I have 2 boys. Trying to find out more if you can help that would be great. If I can fill in some info that would be no problem. Thanks Matt

  John R. Pace, son of William Pace and Secily Walker, married Sarah Hunt, so it has been accepted. Genealogist Edna Z. Cabler suggested that Sarah was the brother of a Levi Hunt. This begs the question: who was Levi Hunt? Taking Edna’s hint, I searched for LEVI HUNT on the Web. I found only one relevant Levi Hunt in Robertson Co. He appears in the 1850 Robertson Co. Census. He was 44 years old, a farmer, and was born in TN. If he was Sarah's brother, he was her younger brother. Levi Hunt, born 1806, was the son of William Hunt and Francis Lewis. William Hunt was born 9 Nov 1768 in Franklin Co., NC. He was the son of James Hunt, born 24 July 1732 in or around Brunswick Co., VA. He married Mary Rackley, born about 1735 in VA. Here is the interesting part. On 19 July 1797, James Hunt purchased 640 acres from the State of North Carolina. This land was in the Old Tennessee County, which was broken up after TN became a state. Robertson and Montgomery Counties were part of Tennessee Co. James's land fell in Robertson Co. James Hunt moved to this land early on. His will, dated 22 Aug 1803, was proved in Robertson Co. in Feb 1805. Some of his heirs moved to Georgia, but others remained in Tennessee. Son William was left 100 acres, part of the old homestead, 1 feather bed and 1 saw. Among his heirs listed were: Henry, Moses (moved to GA), Shadrack, Matthew, WILLIAM, Sion and John. Matthew married 13 Nov 1797 in Davidson Co., TN. James Hunt was the son of Henry Hunt, born about 1700 in Surry Co., VA, died about 1750 in Granville Co., NC. He married Agnes __. Henry Hunt was the son of William Hunt III, born about 1675 in Charles City Co., VA, died before 10 Apr 1727 in Surry. He married Sarah Wyche (?) (Abt. 1680 - aft. 1728). Sarah was the daughter of Henry II Wyche (27 Jan 1647/48 - Bef. 18 Mar 1713/14). He was born in Sutton, Surrey, England and died in Surry Co., VA. The marriage of Sarah Wyche to Henry Hunt is to be found in Hunt family genealogies. Henry II Wyche was the son of Henry Rector de Sutton I Wyche. The Hunt family appears to be well documented. Now the Wyche family can be found in one of several studies of seventeenth century immigrants to America with demonstrable Plantagenet ancestry. An example of such a reference is : Richardson, Douglas, "Plantagenet Ancestry, A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families," Baltimore, Gen. Pub. Co., Inc., 2004 Back to Levi Hunt. On page 6 of the 1820 Census for Robertson Co.,TN, Springfield Township, the following are listed: third from the bottom of the page William Pace, 5th from the bottom William Pace and 6th from the bottom Demsey Pace. On the same page is Jordan Hunt (grandson of James Hunt, Sr.), Henry Hunt, and WILLIAM HUNT. On page 5, there is a John Hunt; on page 3, Shadrach. On page 0, there is a James Hunt. One source suggests that William Hunt had 3 daughters and 7 sons, not all identified as yet. This opinion is based on the study of census records. William Hunt's death has been placed by some as around 1832. This seems to be because he can't be found on the 1840 census. However, there are 6 Hunt wills in Robertson Co. around 1840: Henry Hunt 1843, Sion Hunt 1847, Shadrack Hunt 1847, a Thomas Hunt (?)1842, and two William Hunts, 1843 and 1844. These wills may supply some information, although I think Sarah Pace, nee Hunt, died before 1840 (Sistler, Index to TN Wills & Administrations, 1779-1861). 　 Still, I do not have any direct evidence that Sarah Hunt was either the brother of Levi or the daughter of William Hunt, or the granddaughter of James Hunt, Sr. It is possible. It seems even more likely that Sarah was the granddaughter of James Hunt, Sr. William Pace, Sr. certainly knew of the Hunts. William had land dealings in Franklin Co., NC at the same time as James Hunt. They both moved to Robertson Co. about the same time. Their economic and social backgrounds seem similar. The Pace and Hunt children probably associated with one another, as they lived in close proximity. This brings me back to Wyche Pace, whose ancestry seems to be in doubt. Evidently, Wyche hailed from Robertson Co. His being named Wyche might be attributed to family pride, if he is connected to the Hunts or even the Wyche family. It is tempting to assign him to Sarah Hunt, perhaps her first born. Sarah then would have named him after her Wyche ancestor. I noted before that John Pace may have remarried after Sarah’s death. This factum appears in: Whitley, Edythe Rucker, "Marriages of Robertson Co. TN, 1839-1861", Baltimore, Gen. Pub. Co., Inc., 1981. James R. Pace

I made two recent changes in the DNA group 3 and donors pages, both in the Wm Pace+Sicely Walker sub group in 3b. 1. Correction of the lineage for 35220, Wyche Pace, as suggested by Shirley Pace Graham 2. Posting for 134499, Wm+Sicely Walker>John, a new sub line for us. I received this data some time back but somehow it slipped through the cracks. Email from the donor woke me up. http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm Roy Johnson

Dear Roy, Thanks for your ongoing work on the DNA pages. I like what you are doing now. Concerning #35220 Wyche Pace in the 3b section: I believe he should be listed as son of Dempsey Pace of Haywood and Robertson Counties TN, and grandson of William and Sisley Walker Pace. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any direct evidence. If anyone has anything that would help, I would like to know. I thought several of us came to an agreement that Wyche was the son of Dempsey Pace, Dempsey Pace in turn son of William Pace and Sisley/Sesley/etc. Walker. Gordon W. Pace originally proposed this. We had been looking for the children of Dempsey Pace of Haywood County TN. Census records indicated he had a large family, but we had never located the names of the children. 1. Wyche was married in Hardeman County TN in 1836 to Matilda W. Kirk 21 Oct 1836, Hardeman borders the SE corner Haywood and Madison Counties TN 2. Wyche and Dempsey are both located in Choctaw County MS in 1840; 3. Still living in Mississippi in 1850, Wyche was in Carroll County while Dempsey was still located in Choctaw County. The counties bordered each other at that time. What convinced me we should place Wyche with Dempsey was the following: Wyche H. Pace born in Robertson County TN May 11, 1817; moved with parents to Haywood County TN, married Matilda W. Kirk......died 16 Jul 1851; 5 children. "Genealogical Abstracts from reported deaths in the Nashville Christian Advocate 1850-1851" The part of the above abstract that convinced me is the BIRTH of Wyche IN ROBERTSON COUNTY TN. To date no one has located any Pace in early Robertson County that was not a part of the family of William Pace married Sisley Walker. The early Haywood County Paces are descendants of William and Sisley. Of the Paces who lived in Haywood County, Dempsey seems to be the most likely father. Shirley Pace Graham In a message dated 12/1/2009 8:48:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, royj@webster.edu writes: I have been working on improving and better organizing the DNA charts. I have started with group 3, separating group 3a from 3b with a row showing the DYS numbers for easier reading, grouping the descendents from a common ancestor and using colors to separate them, and giving a more complete lineage in each case (thanks to Rebecca for the suggestion). This makes for easier analysis. For example, one interesting occurrence is in 15548 and 163053, both descendents of William Pace + Ruth Lambert and whose common ancestor is Harvey Pace. They both have a mutation in DYS 385a. It appears that this mutation occurred at Harvey Pace because (a) none of the other lineages up to and including Harvey's father have that mutation, and (b) these two lines diverge immediately after Harvey, so the mutation probably did not occur after Harvey. I say probably because there might be a rare case of two separate mutations after Harvey that just happened to coincide. However, this is helpful information. If we get more Harvey descendents through different sons, it would verify this hypothesis, and it could help to verify the lineage of some who might not be sure or even to provide a clue to the lineage of those who do not have a tree going back that far. I have received numerous suggestions on improving the pages, some worth following, some would not work. Quite a few came from a lady named Ellen. The discussion became so detailed that I did not feel it belonged on the list so I tried to go off list, but Ellen refused in a rather caustic posting that she does not do "back door" interchanges. She and I are both stubborn people and I will not discuss matters going into minute detail on the list, as I do not think it is pertinent to all on the list. So our collaboration is over, but I have filed the better suggestions and will act on some of them. The DNA pages have sort of "just grown" and can stand some reorganizing and clarifying. Doing so will take some time but I will peck away at it little by little. Glad to hear any suggestions. The changes are on the group 3 page at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/Group3.htm Have a look and give me your reactions. Roy Johnson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking documentation on the ancestry of Mary Pace Alford. She was apparently born in VA in 1740, and moved with husband Jacob Alford to Robeson Co NC where she died after the year 1810. Please help!. -- Sam West Lumberton, Robeson Co NC e-mail: sam.west.1@gmail.com "Not all of us can do great things, but we all can do small things in a great way." author unknown