Thanks Roy, V-E-R-Y interesting, I'm so excited to hear scientist now know what I was told [from my spiritual guru] way back in the 1980's but was laughed down if I ever accidentally made the statement to anyone "that we can change our DNA." And I have also recently seen on TV DHC [discovery health channel] how a man could mentally switch his body thermostat and was able to stay in ICE water for a long time [forgot just how long] with no ill effects on body. He also ran barefoot in freezing temp. on snow with only shorts on body.....also said in future many would all be able to [something like that]. Dr OZ has made mention of similar such also. Could Landing have know this truth eons ago?: "What we think is less than what we know...What we know is less than what we love .... We love so much less than what there is....To this extent, we are much less than what we are." ....by L.D. Landing ~Kathlynn~ In a message dated 1/23/2010 8:47:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, royj@webster.edu writes: you are not just the product of the coding of your genes, because your body can tell certain genes to turn on or off-they don't know how yet

Thank you, Roy, for that good explanation. Kathy Best -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:49 pm Subject: [PACE] DNA explained Several times I have received requests from some new to DNA studies to irect them to a simplified explanation of how DNA and DNA for genealogy orks. Most of what I found got complicated pretty quickly, so I decided to ry to write one. I toyed with calling it "DNA for Dummies" after the eries of books with similar names, but I decided that would be a bit too nsulting. Paces aren't dummies. So I just called it "DNA Explained." Maybe I should have called it "DNA implifies" or maybe "DNA Oversimplified"-but whatever, you can access it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm I invite comments and criticisms before I link it from the Pace DNA site. Roy Johnson ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Not genealogy related, but there is an interesting article in the latest TIME about how you are not just the product of the coding of your genes, because your body can tell certain genes to turn on or off-they don't know how yet. This can affect all sorts of things such as tendency to diabetes and other diseases, tendency to obesity, etc.-and these signals can be passed down several generations. It's pretty complicated but fascinating, on the web at http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1951968,00.html Roy Johnson

Several times I have received requests from some new to DNA studies to direct them to a simplified explanation of how DNA and DNA for genealogy works. Most of what I found got complicated pretty quickly, so I decided to try to write one. I toyed with calling it "DNA for Dummies" after the series of books with similar names, but I decided that would be a bit too insulting. Paces aren't dummies. So I just called it "DNA Explained." Maybe I should have called it "DNA Simplifies" or maybe "DNA Oversimplified"-but whatever, you can access it at http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/DNAExplained.htm I invite comments and criticisms before I link it from the Pace DNA site. Roy Johnson

I have been researching the Swift family of Virginia and found this postingby Wilson Gilinsky, # 2169, I am seeking information on Juliettta Swift. I believe she may have been born in Virginia abtl. 1853. She married Joseph Clark Pace abtl. 1872 and had at least one child( Harriett Leona, b. 27 Dec.1873, d. 18 May 1963 in Long Beach,Calif. I am particularly interested in her Father and Mother and their families.. note: From Lois Carey It is possible that my grgrandmother ,Elizabeth Pace, b. abt. 1815, wife of John R.Pace b. 1809, may have been an Elizabeth Swift whose marriage to a John Pace is in the records of Louisa County. Any information on this Pace-Swift would be appreciated.

Joe, It is these speculations that spur many of us to prove or disprove them. And as always, I depend on you, Roy, and others on this Pace List to catch things I missed or forget to mention or to come up with more speculations until we get enough sources to figure out these lines! Speaking of the Mississippi Territory, I believe that I just read that one of the subscription sites was starting to put state (not Federal Populations Schedules which are already on-line) census images on-line. Kim -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:06 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 I don't think that anyone knows what happened to the Frederick Pace in the 1800 Chesterfield census as he evidently does not appear again in subsequent census records. You may recall that Bruce Howard took his disappearance and the subsequent appearance of the (apparent) widow Jenny Pace and her children in the 1808 MS. Terr. census to concoct an imaginative tale that represented what he thought might have been the case. That is, he assumed that Jenny was the widow of this Frederick. We know that Mr. Howard was wrong in his assertion that the Clarke County Paces were the sons of John the Tory, but he actually might have been right that Jenny was the widow of Frederick. Of course, this is total speculation on my part, as it was on the part of Mr. Howard. Based on the age of his children and wife in the 1800 census, I doubt that the census enumerator checked the wrong age column. But since we Paces are known for our longevity and virility in old age, I guess that we can't fully eliminate the possibility can we? Joe Anderson > From: zapnyou@aol.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:31:05 -0600 > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > > Still at my Mom's helping her after her surgery, so I have limited abilities to get on the Internet or do research. . . > > Joe, thanks for mentioning that this Frederick may be the same one as the one on the 1800 census. I forgot to do so. You are absolutely right. That is why I said "may" be, because we don't know if the census enumerator possibly made a mistake while he was ticking off the age category, or if he is not of the FPW group, or whether Frederick the progenitor was actually living in Chesterfield County in 1800 or 1803. All we have to go on at the moment is the Dr. Pace autobiography for this family line, family traditions, and DNA samples. That is also why I said for the people who have other lines to not rule out that this Frederick may be theirs. In 1810, this Frederick (based on his age on the 1800 census) seems to have disappeared or died. As always, this is just another clue for us to follow and I will keep looking for more as sources come available. > > By the way, I have not had a chance to follow up with legal research on how old someone must be to serve on a petit juror in South Carolina back then, but I seemed to remember they had to be at least between 21 and 65? And, a land owner too? Does anyone have the right answer? > > Kim > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Janders 45 wrote: > > > > > There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see if I am remembering correctly. > > > > > > > > Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will show up one day that might resolve the question. > > > > > > > > Joe Anderson > > > >> From: mnixon1@centurytel.net > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. > >> Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! > >> > >> Miriam Nixon > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > >> Of Robert Webb > >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > >> Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Outstanding find, Kim. > >> > >> On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > >> > >>> This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of > >>> Wales. > >>> For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please > >>> do not > >>> rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper > >>> article > >>> is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and > >>> daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in > >>> Chesterfield > >>> County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is > >>> too > >>> young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 > >>> > >>> Repository: www. genealogybank.com > >>> > >>> Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone > >>> know what > >>> this abbreviation stands for?] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for > >>> Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth > >>> Monday in > >>> March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned > >>> to > >>> appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. > >>> Handcock, > >>> Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, > >>> John > >>> Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were > >>> duly > >>> returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea > >>> jurors, who > >>> severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew > >>> [yes, > >>> this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of > >>> excuse, upon > >>> oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next > >>> sitting > >>> of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they > >>> will > >>> severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> By the Court, > >>> > >>> ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, > >>> > >>> Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy: I did get some information from Mira and she listed people as such: 1. John Pace (Edward "Neddie", William Henry, John H., John, Joseph). This then gave me some idea as to which John Pace she was talking about. I suppose if each information submittal had some lineage such as this (as much as the person knows in either direction), it would make looking for information a little easier. So for example if I submitted a picture of my Grandfather I would say: Thomas Jefferson Pace (Jonathan W., John, Edward "Neddie", William Henry, John H., John, Joseph). If someone came across a name with no connection, just say what they do know. Any standard should be flexable. I plan to submit a bunch of pictures and other historical documents (birth, marriage, Bible pages) and rather than be a long list that a searcher would have to open each one, a naming standard would speed up the search. I'm open to whatever standard the Society suggests. Brian > From: royj@webster.edu > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:23:04 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions > > It's a bit hard as some people know more about their ancestors than others. > For PacePix I like name, date and place of birth and death, spouse if known, > straight line Pace lineage as far back as known. I keep the donors page on > the DNA site and the same goes for that. I don't know where we would publish > this, and we don't want to discourage those who do not have these records. > Some people submit queries who only know "John Pace born in 1890" for > example, some might know the place. > > And where would these standards apply? We can hardly apply them to the > mailing list, as new people are checking in all the time. What we usually > do when they say "my ancestor is Abner Pace; does anyone have information" > is to email them back and ask for more information. > > What do you think? > > Are you submitting DNA? What records do you have on your site? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of BRIAN PACE > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:15 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions > > > Roy: > > > > Do you think the Pace Society should establish a standard for naming? If so, > what would you recommend? > > > > Brian > > > From: royj@webster.edu > > To: pace@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:02:19 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions > > > > I was just informed that all pictures are left to me to put on PacePix. > Val > > feels the pictures should be available to all. So just peruse that site > and > > see how I post them. I would like as much info as possible; date and place > > of birth, spouse, lineage as far back as you know it for the person in the > > picture. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > > Of BRIAN PACE > > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 AM > > To: pace@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [PACE] Naming conventions > > > > > > Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is > who? > > Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send > > pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I > communicate > > which one he is? > > > > > > > > Brian Pace > > > > Colorado > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For what it's worth I agree. I have been very part-time researching for the past several years. The way it is set up now has been so great for me and I have learned so much from all of you on how to follow my line. My John Edward Pace was born on May 30, 1890, near Dawson, Missouri. There are ALOT of John Pace's aren't there! >>> J Frazier <megeniegirl@yahoo.com> 01/21/10 6:03 PM >>> Just to maybe add a little to this conversation. When I started trying to do family researching my mother did not even know her grandparents 1st. names and only her brother thought he knew his grandmothers maiden name which turned out to be true. I totally agree with you Roy that the way it is set up now works great. I too have missed some of the info at times and went off looking for someone who did not match to our family tree but sometimes the individuals trying to find their lines just don't have much to give anyone yet. If we leave them out then we lose a wealth of information for them and possibly for us as well. Have a great day. JD --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions To: pace@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:23 AM It's a bit hard as some people know more about their ancestors than others. For PacePix I like name, date and place of birth and death, spouse if known, straight line Pace lineage as far back as known. I keep the donors page on the DNA site and the same goes for that. I don't know where we would publish this, and we don't want to discourage those who do not have these records. Some people submit queries who only know "John Pace born in 1890" for example, some might know the place. And where would these standards apply? We can hardly apply them to the mailing list, as new people are checking in all the time. What we usually do when they say "my ancestor is Abner Pace; does anyone have information" is to email them back and ask for more information. What do you think? Are you submitting DNA? What records do you have on your site? -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRIAN PACE Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:15 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions Roy: Do you think the Pace Society should establish a standard for naming? If so, what would you recommend? Brian > From: royj@webster.edu > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:02:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions > > I was just informed that all pictures are left to me to put on PacePix. Val > feels the pictures should be available to all. So just peruse that site and > see how I post them. I would like as much info as possible; date and place > of birth, spouse, lineage as far back as you know it for the person in the > picture. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of BRIAN PACE > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACE] Naming conventions > > > Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is who? > Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send > pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I communicate > which one he is? > > > > Brian Pace > > Colorado > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This isn't genealogical in nature, but I did want to mention that for those who have seen Avatar in 3D, you have a Pace to thank. Vince Pace is the co-creator along with James Cameron of the camera technology used. He's worked with Cameron before including on The Abyss and Titanic. The December issue of Wired discusses it. That issue won't be on-line for a few more months, but there are other websites including Wikipedia that talk about the camera technology and Vince Pace. Val

Just to maybe add a little to this conversation.  When I started trying to do family researching my mother did not even know her grandparents 1st. names and only her brother thought he knew his grandmothers maiden name which turned out to be true.  I totally agree with you Roy that  the way it is set up now works great.  I too have missed some of the info at times and went off looking for someone who did not match to our family tree but sometimes the individuals trying to find their lines just don't have much to give anyone yet.  If we leave them out then we lose a wealth of information for them and possibly for us as well.  Have a great day.  JD --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions To: pace@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:23 AM It's a bit hard as some people know more about their ancestors than others. For PacePix I like name, date and place of birth and death, spouse if known, straight line Pace lineage as far back as known. I keep the donors page on the DNA site and the same goes for that. I don't know where we would publish this, and we don't want to discourage those who do not have these records. Some people submit queries who only know "John Pace born in 1890" for example, some might know the place. And where would these standards apply? We can hardly apply them to the mailing list, as new people are checking in all the time. What we  usually do when they say "my ancestor is Abner Pace; does anyone have information" is to email them back and ask for more information. What do you think? Are you submitting DNA? What records do you have on your site? -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRIAN PACE Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:15 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions Roy: Do you think the Pace Society should establish a standard for naming? If so, what would you recommend? Brian > From: royj@webster.edu > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:02:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions > > I was just informed that all pictures are left to me to put on PacePix. Val > feels the pictures should be available to all. So just peruse that site and > see how I post them. I would like as much info as possible; date and place > of birth, spouse, lineage as far back as you know it for the person in the > picture. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of BRIAN PACE > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACE] Naming conventions > > > Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is who? > Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send > pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I communicate > which one he is? > > > > Brian Pace > > Colorado > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                           ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy: Do you think the Pace Society should establish a standard for naming? If so, what would you recommend? Brian > From: royj@webster.edu > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:02:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions > > I was just informed that all pictures are left to me to put on PacePix. Val > feels the pictures should be available to all. So just peruse that site and > see how I post them. I would like as much info as possible; date and place > of birth, spouse, lineage as far back as you know it for the person in the > picture. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of BRIAN PACE > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACE] Naming conventions > > > Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is who? > Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send > pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I communicate > which one he is? > > > > Brian Pace > > Colorado > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's a bit hard as some people know more about their ancestors than others. For PacePix I like name, date and place of birth and death, spouse if known, straight line Pace lineage as far back as known. I keep the donors page on the DNA site and the same goes for that. I don't know where we would publish this, and we don't want to discourage those who do not have these records. Some people submit queries who only know "John Pace born in 1890" for example, some might know the place. And where would these standards apply? We can hardly apply them to the mailing list, as new people are checking in all the time. What we usually do when they say "my ancestor is Abner Pace; does anyone have information" is to email them back and ask for more information. What do you think? Are you submitting DNA? What records do you have on your site? -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRIAN PACE Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:15 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions Roy: Do you think the Pace Society should establish a standard for naming? If so, what would you recommend? Brian > From: royj@webster.edu > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:02:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] Naming conventions > > I was just informed that all pictures are left to me to put on PacePix. Val > feels the pictures should be available to all. So just peruse that site and > see how I post them. I would like as much info as possible; date and place > of birth, spouse, lineage as far back as you know it for the person in the > picture. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of BRIAN PACE > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACE] Naming conventions > > > Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is who? > Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send > pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I communicate > which one he is? > > > > Brian Pace > > Colorado > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think that anyone knows what happened to the Frederick Pace in the 1800 Chesterfield census as he evidently does not appear again in subsequent census records. You may recall that Bruce Howard took his disappearance and the subsequent appearance of the (apparent) widow Jenny Pace and her children in the 1808 MS. Terr. census to concoct an imaginative tale that represented what he thought might have been the case. That is, he assumed that Jenny was the widow of this Frederick. We know that Mr. Howard was wrong in his assertion that the Clarke County Paces were the sons of John the Tory, but he actually might have been right that Jenny was the widow of Frederick. Of course, this is total speculation on my part, as it was on the part of Mr. Howard. Based on the age of his children and wife in the 1800 census, I doubt that the census enumerator checked the wrong age column. But since we Paces are known for our longevity and virility in old age, I guess that we can't fully eliminate the possibility can we? Joe Anderson > From: zapnyou@aol.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:31:05 -0600 > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > > Still at my Mom's helping her after her surgery, so I have limited abilities to get on the Internet or do research. . . > > Joe, thanks for mentioning that this Frederick may be the same one as the one on the 1800 census. I forgot to do so. You are absolutely right. That is why I said "may" be, because we don't know if the census enumerator possibly made a mistake while he was ticking off the age category, or if he is not of the FPW group, or whether Frederick the progenitor was actually living in Chesterfield County in 1800 or 1803. All we have to go on at the moment is the Dr. Pace autobiography for this family line, family traditions, and DNA samples. That is also why I said for the people who have other lines to not rule out that this Frederick may be theirs. In 1810, this Frederick (based on his age on the 1800 census) seems to have disappeared or died. As always, this is just another clue for us to follow and I will keep looking for more as sources come available. > > By the way, I have not had a chance to follow up with legal research on how old someone must be to serve on a petit juror in South Carolina back then, but I seemed to remember they had to be at least between 21 and 65? And, a land owner too? Does anyone have the right answer? > > Kim > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Janders 45 wrote: > > > > > There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see if I am remembering correctly. > > > > > > > > Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will show up one day that might resolve the question. > > > > > > > > Joe Anderson > > > >> From: mnixon1@centurytel.net > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. > >> Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! > >> > >> Miriam Nixon > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > >> Of Robert Webb > >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM > >> To: pace@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > >> Carolina 1803 > >> > >> Outstanding find, Kim. > >> > >> On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > >> > >>> This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of > >>> Wales. > >>> For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please > >>> do not > >>> rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper > >>> article > >>> is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and > >>> daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in > >>> Chesterfield > >>> County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is > >>> too > >>> young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 > >>> > >>> Repository: www. genealogybank.com > >>> > >>> Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone > >>> know what > >>> this abbreviation stands for?] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for > >>> Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth > >>> Monday in > >>> March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned > >>> to > >>> appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. > >>> Handcock, > >>> Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, > >>> John > >>> Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were > >>> duly > >>> returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea > >>> jurors, who > >>> severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew > >>> [yes, > >>> this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of > >>> excuse, upon > >>> oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next > >>> sitting > >>> of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they > >>> will > >>> severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> By the Court, > >>> > >>> ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, > >>> > >>> Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/

Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is who? Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I communicate which one he is? Brian Pace Colorado

Still at my Mom's helping her after her surgery, so I have limited abilities to get on the Internet or do research. . . Joe, thanks for mentioning that this Frederick may be the same one as the one on the 1800 census. I forgot to do so. You are absolutely right. That is why I said "may" be, because we don't know if the census enumerator possibly made a mistake while he was ticking off the age category, or if he is not of the FPW group, or whether Frederick the progenitor was actually living in Chesterfield County in 1800 or 1803. All we have to go on at the moment is the Dr. Pace autobiography for this family line, family traditions, and DNA samples. That is also why I said for the people who have other lines to not rule out that this Frederick may be theirs. In 1810, this Frederick (based on his age on the 1800 census) seems to have disappeared or died. As always, this is just another clue for us to follow and I will keep looking for more as sources come available. By the way, I have not had a chance to follow up with legal research on how old someone must be to serve on a petit juror in South Carolina back then, but I seemed to remember they had to be at least between 21 and 65? And, a land owner too? Does anyone have the right answer? Kim On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Janders 45 wrote: > > There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see if I am remembering correctly. > > > > Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will show up one day that might resolve the question. > > > > Joe Anderson > >> From: mnixon1@centurytel.net >> To: pace@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 >> >> Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. >> Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! >> >> Miriam Nixon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >> Of Robert Webb >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM >> To: pace@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South >> Carolina 1803 >> >> Outstanding find, Kim. >> >> On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: >> >>> This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of >>> Wales. >>> For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please >>> do not >>> rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper >>> article >>> is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and >>> daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in >>> Chesterfield >>> County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is >>> too >>> young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. >>> >>> >>> >>> Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. >>> >>> >>> >>> Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 >>> >>> Repository: www. genealogybank.com >>> >>> Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac >>> >>> >>> >>> "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone >>> know what >>> this abbreviation stands for?] >>> >>> >>> >>> At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for >>> Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth >>> Monday in >>> March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned >>> to >>> appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. >>> Handcock, >>> Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, >>> John >>> Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were >>> duly >>> returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea >>> jurors, who >>> severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew >>> [yes, >>> this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of >>> excuse, upon >>> oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next >>> sitting >>> of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they >>> will >>> severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. >>> >>> >>> >>> By the Court, >>> >>> ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, >>> >>> Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PACE-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: 01/17/10 >> 07:35:00 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was just informed that all pictures are left to me to put on PacePix. Val feels the pictures should be available to all. So just peruse that site and see how I post them. I would like as much info as possible; date and place of birth, spouse, lineage as far back as you know it for the person in the picture. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRIAN PACE Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE] Naming conventions Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is who? Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I communicate which one he is? Brian Pace Colorado ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Generally, on the PacePix page of the Pace Network, I try to get the lineage from "John" as far back as possible for the tie-in. Then I publish an email address so the submitter can be contacted. That email address is disguised to avoid spamming bots picking it up for junk mail: whoeverATwhatever.com. There were quite a few submitters who did not submit lineage, but who did identify the person with place and time of birth and other specific information. I probably should have set some standards for lineage tie-ins but unfortunately I did not. Some may not have known the lineage. But all pictures are identified in some way to tell which "John Pace" it was. On PacePix the pictures were sent to me by email with whatever the sender wanted for identification. I then have to do the setup for the PacePix page. There is no way to upload pictures directly. Others will need to comment on the material for the members only database. I do not do that. PacePix http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pace/pacepix/ Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BRIAN PACE Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:18 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE] Naming conventions Is there a standard genealogy naming convention to keep track of who is who? Is there one specifically used by the Pace Society. For example, if I send pictures or other information on John Pace, which John? How do I communicate which one he is? Brian Pace Colorado ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks. I didn't have that information. That clears it up. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:03 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 In the 1800 Chesterfield census, the households of the three Pace men (Frederick, William, and John) each have one male aged 26 to 45 and none older than that. This makes this Frederick too young to be the father of William. Frederick has two sons under 10 and two from 10 to 16. He fits in well as the brother of William and John, but not as their father. Joe Anderson > From: royj@webster.edu > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:05:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > > This is not my line but I have been fascinated by it. > > This Pace could be the father of William and Dempsey; run the math back: > > The biography of Dr. JM Pace says Frederick came to the US in 1768 when > William was 11. Thus William was born about 1757, conceived about 1756. > Assume Frederick was at least 21 when William was conceived means Frederick > was probably worn ca 1735 or before. > > That would make him 65 or older in 1800, 68 or older in 1803. You could even > add a few years and he could well be alive in that era and be the father of > William, Dempsey, etc. > > Contemporary yes--but maybe contemporary to his own sons? > > Just speculating. > > Roy Johnson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Janders 45 > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:09 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > Carolina 1803 > > > There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along > with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that > the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John > and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see > if I am remembering correctly. > > > > Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 > census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their > father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and > location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when > Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line > from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will > show up one day that might resolve the question. > > > > Joe Anderson > > > From: mnixon1@centurytel.net > > To: pace@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > Carolina 1803 > > > > Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. > > Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! > > > > Miriam Nixon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > > Of Robert Webb > > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM > > To: pace@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > > Carolina 1803 > > > > Outstanding find, Kim. > > > > On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > > > > > This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of > > > Wales. > > > For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please > > > do not > > > rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper > > > article > > > is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and > > > daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in > > > Chesterfield > > > County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is > > > too > > > young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 > > > > > > Repository: www. genealogybank.com > > > > > > Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac > > > > > > > > > > > > "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone > > > know what > > > this abbreviation stands for?] > > > > > > > > > > > > At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for > > > Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth > > > Monday in > > > March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned > > > to > > > appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. > > > Handcock, > > > Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, > > > John > > > Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were > > > duly > > > returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea > > > jurors, who > > > severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew > > > [yes, > > > this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of > > > excuse, upon > > > oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next > > > sitting > > > of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they > > > will > > > severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the Court, > > > > > > ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, > > > > > > Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PACE-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: > 01/17/10 > > 07:35:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1800 Chesterfield census, the households of the three Pace men (Frederick, William, and John) each have one male aged 26 to 45 and none older than that. This makes this Frederick too young to be the father of William. Frederick has two sons under 10 and two from 10 to 16. He fits in well as the brother of William and John, but not as their father. Joe Anderson > From: royj@webster.edu > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:05:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > > This is not my line but I have been fascinated by it. > > This Pace could be the father of William and Dempsey; run the math back: > > The biography of Dr. JM Pace says Frederick came to the US in 1768 when > William was 11. Thus William was born about 1757, conceived about 1756. > Assume Frederick was at least 21 when William was conceived means Frederick > was probably worn ca 1735 or before. > > That would make him 65 or older in 1800, 68 or older in 1803. You could even > add a few years and he could well be alive in that era and be the father of > William, Dempsey, etc. > > Contemporary yes--but maybe contemporary to his own sons? > > Just speculating. > > Roy Johnson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Janders 45 > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:09 AM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > Carolina 1803 > > > There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along > with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that > the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John > and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see > if I am remembering correctly. > > > > Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 > census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their > father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and > location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when > Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line > from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will > show up one day that might resolve the question. > > > > Joe Anderson > > > From: mnixon1@centurytel.net > > To: pace@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > Carolina 1803 > > > > Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. > > Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! > > > > Miriam Nixon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > > Of Robert Webb > > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM > > To: pace@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > > Carolina 1803 > > > > Outstanding find, Kim. > > > > On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > > > > > This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of > > > Wales. > > > For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please > > > do not > > > rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper > > > article > > > is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and > > > daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in > > > Chesterfield > > > County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is > > > too > > > young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 > > > > > > Repository: www. genealogybank.com > > > > > > Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac > > > > > > > > > > > > "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone > > > know what > > > this abbreviation stands for?] > > > > > > > > > > > > At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for > > > Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth > > > Monday in > > > March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned > > > to > > > appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. > > > Handcock, > > > Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, > > > John > > > Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were > > > duly > > > returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea > > > jurors, who > > > severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew > > > [yes, > > > this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of > > > excuse, upon > > > oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next > > > sitting > > > of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they > > > will > > > severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the Court, > > > > > > ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, > > > > > > Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PACE-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: > 01/17/10 > > 07:35:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/

This is not my line but I have been fascinated by it. This Pace could be the father of William and Dempsey; run the math back: The biography of Dr. JM Pace says Frederick came to the US in 1768 when William was 11. Thus William was born about 1757, conceived about 1756. Assume Frederick was at least 21 when William was conceived means Frederick was probably worn ca 1735 or before. That would make him 65 or older in 1800, 68 or older in 1803. You could even add a few years and he could well be alive in that era and be the father of William, Dempsey, etc. Contemporary yes--but maybe contemporary to his own sons? Just speculating. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janders 45 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:09 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 There is a Frederick Pace listed in the 1800 Chesterfield SC census along with John and William Pace. When this was discussed earlier, I believe that the consensus was that this Frederick was too young to be the father of John and William. If someone has time, you might want to check this out to see if I am remembering correctly. Kim, I suspect that your Frederick in 1803 may be the same one in the 1800 census. That is, a contemporary of John and William rather than their father. I don't know what to make of this Frederick Pace. Due to name and location, one suspects that he is of our line and had been forgotten when Dr. J.M. Pace came to write his autobiographical sketch. If a male line from the Frederick in the 1800 census survives, perhaps a DNA sample will show up one day that might resolve the question. Joe Anderson > From: mnixon1@centurytel.net > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:06 -0600 > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South Carolina 1803 > > Kim, we are very proud of you for your diligence in researching our line. > Can't wait to read your book when it is finished!!! > > Miriam Nixon > > -----Original Message----- > From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Webb > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:12 PM > To: pace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACE] FYI: Frederick Pace - Chesterfield County, South > Carolina 1803 > > Outstanding find, Kim. > > On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Kim Stracener Zapalac wrote: > > > This may be the first mention of the progenitor, Frederick Pace of > > Wales. > > For those who also have Frederick Paces in this time period, please > > do not > > rule out the possibility that the person mentioned in the newspaper > > article > > is not yours. However, I am basing this person on supposed son and > > daughter-in-law's, William and Drucilla Pace, residence in > > Chesterfield > > County, SC, on the 1800 census. William's own son, Frederick Pace is > > too > > young to be this man. Please feel free to make any comments. > > > > > > > > Val, please add this to the Pace Society files. > > > > > > > > Source: South Carolina State Gazette, dated September 16, 1803, Page 1 > > > > Repository: www. genealogybank.com > > > > Transcribed by Kim Stracener Zapalac > > > > > > > > "State of South-Carolina, Chesterfield district ss. [ss? - anyone > > know what > > this abbreviation stands for?] > > > > > > > > At a court of General Sessions and Common Pleas, begun and holden for > > Chesterfield district, at Chesterfield court-house, on the fourth > > Monday in > > March, 1803, John Evans and Joel Norris, were duly returned summoned > > to > > appear and serve as Grand Ju-rors; and Isaac Course, Joseph J. > > Handcock, > > Christopher Vernon, Frederick Pace, Philip Hurst, Josiah Middleton, > > John > > Nicholson, German Berry, Nicholas Copeland and Hugh Blackeney, were > > duly > > returned summoned to appear and serve as petit and common plea > > jurors, who > > severally made default, and were noted for non-appearance. > > > > > > > > Notice is hereby given, that unless the afore-said jurors shall shew > > [yes, > > this was the way it was spelled] good and sufficient cause of > > excuse, upon > > oath, to any of the Associate Judges of the said state, at the next > > sitting > > of the said court, on the fourth Monday in Octo-ber next, that they > > will > > severally and respect-ively be fined agreeably to law. > > > > > > > > By the Court, > > > > ALEXANDER CRAIG, Clerk, > > > > Clerk's Office, 4th April, 1803." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: 01/17/10 > 07:35:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message