I just posted the alleles on the John of Middlesex chart for our second Pierce who matches with Pace and the other Pierce but not with anyone else on the Pierce study. http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/JohnOfM.htm Jack Pace has sent me a whole bunch of Pierce-Pace records that I have not had time to analyze. Apparently Pierce and Pace surnames were interchanged often in the Shropshire area and in the Middlesex area (including descending lines) . However, I have not seen instances of this interchange in other Pace lines. Has anyone? If this is a peculiarity of Shropshire and Middlesex, it further corroborates the Shropshire origins of John of M, although I think we have enough evidence already. I have not yet posted the short lineage of this donor, but I will try to get it up soon. Roy Johnson

I'm not sure which Dempsey Pace this may be. The El Camino Real (Kings Highway) runs through Bastrop (Mina). This Dempsey Pace settled around the time that Stephen F. Austin set up the "Little Colony" of 100 families in this area, so I would think you might start with some of those sources. Another famous Texas family that came from this group was the Burleson families along with some other families that came from the Nacogdoches/Natchitoches areas (again located on the El Camino Real as was San Antonio). Another source might be the Catholic church in this area. Remember that they were "supposed" to practice the Catholic faith to be able to settle in Texas. And people left this area after The Republic of Texas and later State of Texas formed to new land grants either for their service or for other "free" land. Kim

KIM, I wonder which Dempsey Pace this was who bought land in Bastrop Co., TX. He stated he had been in Bastrop Co., TX abt. 1828 and was a single man. He bought 1,476.13 acres and it sure was cheap at that time. Thanks, Addie</HTML>

Roy: There were Pierces in Middlesex CCPR p.68 Catherine Pierce daughter of Edward and Rebecca born 10 Jan. and bapt.18, March 1715. This is same time period as George Pace son of John of Midd was born. This Edward could be of same age as John of Midd. p.136 Edward Pearce died 12 feb. 1722. (John died 1720) p. 130 Rebecca Pearce died 30 May and was buried 25 May 1718. This person would be close to age of John's wife Elizabeth. If these Pierces were second generation it is most possible that there were Pierces in Middlesex in 1684. Now if we could find Pierce, Pearce, Pearse in same location in England as John of Midd we might find a blood relationship. It would be interesting to see lineage of Pierce who's DNA matches John of Midd. . The difference in spelling is common and name likeness are too. More for your Archive: Also there was a Charles Pierce son of Edward and Katherine born 01, Aug. 1692. -- Edward Pierce and Katherine Humphryes of this parish married 02, Sep.1688 This is 5 yrs before John of Midd purched Nicholls land. Good searching Jack Pace Va.

Gordon has definitely found Pierce in the Shropshire area, and says that sometimes the same person was Pace in one record and Pierce in the other. Here is the pedigree submitted by the Pierce entry that we have: 1. JEREMIAH PIERCE is thought to have been born in 1710 in Essex County, Virginia. (This is an unverified entry.) 2. ISAAC PIERCE was the only known child of Jeremiah Pierce and Elizabeth. He was born in Caroline County, Virginia after 1735. He was living in Orange County, Virginia on July 27, 1783 when he and his wife ANN deeded 100 acres of land to their son FRANCIS PIERCE. It is believed that he died in Orange County prior to 1791? 3. FRANCIS PIERCE (Aug. 1760-Feb. 22, 1853) married about 1782 + ELIZABETH LEWIS, daughter of James Lewis. (LEWIS name not verified) Born in Caroline County, Virginia and moved to Orange Co., Virginia when he was 10 years old. After marriage, they moved to Wilkes County, North Carolina about 1784. In 1801 he sold his land then removed to Cumberland County, Kentucky (later named Clinton, County in 1837) where he had received a Land Grant for 200 acres of land near the Central Grove churchouse, on Spring Creek of the Wolf River and lived there until his death in 1853. 4. JOHN PIERCE (1789-1854) He was born October 11, 1789 on a farm on Kings Creek, Wilkes County, North Carolina and moved with his parents to Cumberland (Clinton) County, Kentucky about 1801. He moved to CHRISTIAN County, Kentucky before 1818, south of Hopkinsville near Church Hill and bought a farm located one mile east of Hebron Church on what is now called the James Roy Cayce farm. This begins the family genealogy of the Pierce Family in Christian County which follows; he served as a Sergeant in the War of 1812, in the 20th Regiment of the U. S. Infantry from March 12,1812 to December 1, 1814. He married SARAH (SALLY) ALLEN, on February 22, 1818 born: January 8, 1799 and died: December 29, 1878 She was born in Alexandria, Virginia, daughter of HENRY ALLEN, Born: September 4, 1773, died: November 6, 1841 and Elizabeth Summers Allen. Born: 1782, Died: 1836 (buried in the Pioneer Graveyard in Hopkinsville, Ky). The Pierce graveyard is located on the James Roy Cayce farm 1.2 miles east of Hebron Methodist Church and is registered with the State of Kentucky Historical Society. 5. GEORGE ROBIN PIERCE born January 10, 1836 He died Aug 19, 1919. + He married ELVIRA MCCLAREN STEGER November 18, 1862. The GEORGE ROBIN PIERCE family lived on the JOHN PIERCE homeplace 1.2 miles east of the Hebron Methodist Church, Christian County, Kentucky. 6. CHARLES LUCIAN PIERCE was born July 23, 1878. He married EDNA ASHTON ADAMS on February 11, 1911. He died April 9, 1958. 7. JAMES ADAMS PIERCE was born Dec 7, 1911. He married ELLEN MCCRAE on April 16, 1935. He died on February 20, 1999. This This recent note from Brad Pierce, coordinator of the Pierce DNA project: Actually, in a more extended version of that pedigree he began with this: "The earliest pioneers in my family arrived in America in 1682 in Piscataway, New Jersey and others in Middlesex County, Virginia about 1684." ========================== Unfortunately this Pierce does not respond to emails, possibly deceased. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of paceshire@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:24 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE] Pace/Pearce Roy: There were Pierces in Middlesex CCPR p.68 Catherine Pierce daughter of Edward and Rebecca born 10 Jan. and bapt.18, March 1715. This is same time period as George Pace son of John of Midd was born. This Edward could be of same age as John of Midd. p.136 Edward Pearce died 12 feb. 1722. (John died 1720) p. 130 Rebecca Pearce died 30 May and was buried 25 May 1718. This person would be close to age of John's wife Elizabeth. If these Pierces were second generation it is most possible that there were Pierces in Middlesex in 1684. Now if we could find Pierce, Pearce, Pearse in same location in England as John of Midd we might find a blood relationship. It would be interesting to see lineage of Pierce who's DNA matches John of Midd. . The difference in spelling is common and name likeness are too. More for your Archive: Also there was a Charles Pierce son of Edward and Katherine born 01, Aug. 1692. -- Edward Pierce and Katherine Humphryes of this parish married 02, Sep.1688 This is 5 yrs before John of Midd purched Nicholls land. Good searching Jack Pace Va. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For those who are researching Pace lines for The Republic of Texas and The State of Texas, check out this link for an Index from the Texas General Land Office: http://www.glo.state.tx.us/archives/surnameindex.html Then go to the Land Grant Search to find the actual scanned file in a PDF format: http://wwwdb.glo.state.tx.us/central/LandGrants/LandGrantsSearch.cfm Don't forget that The Republic of Texas included parts of what are now the states of Wyoming, Oklahoma, Colorado, New Mexico, and even a small sliver of western Louisiana. You never know what you might find. Kim Stracener Zapalac

Roy: I would suggest that you read Pierce, Pace, Milton and Huie Families By Virginia Copeland Jantz Printed by Waco Printing and Stationary Co. in Waco, Texas THERE ARE SEVERAL CASES where PACES CHANGED THEIR NAME TO PIERCE. One line goes John of Midd--Joseph-- Josiah Pace--Stephen Pace--AUGUSTUS Pierce--Wm. B. Pierce--Kendrick Oscar Pierce--Queen Zoe Pierce etc.etc. William Pace began spelling his name Piercebefore leaving Mecklenburg Co. Va. He was youngest son of Josiah and Lucinda (Stroud) Pace their childreb were Sarah Pierce, John Pierce, Josiah Pierce, James L Pierce, son? and Tabitha . Pierce. This book is offered from the author (see back inside page of Pace Society Bulletins. 442 pages, hard cover, $30.00 well documented. Good searching, Jack Pace (Va.) ---- Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> wrote: > The fun of genealogy is piecing together bits of evidence from various > sources to tell a story. It's great if there is documentary evidence, but it > is not always there and you have to do the best you can with what you have. > > > > DNA has provided conclusive evidence that John of Middlesex is related to > Shropshire area Paces, and strong evidence just a bit short of conclusive > proof that he was John Pace born 1665 in Shropshire. > > > > Recently, a person named Pierce applied for Pace society membership based on > his DNA matching John of M Paces. That led to further contact with the > Pierce DNA coordinator and some interesting new evidence. > > > > Gordon T. Pace says his research in that area shows that the names of Pierce > and Pace are often interchanged, sometimes the same person being recorded as > Pierce one time and Pace the next. > > > > There are two Pierces in the Pierce study who do not match with any Pierces > except each other, but both whom match with John of M. When I contacted the > Pierce DNA administrator, he sent some added evidence that one of them has > family stories that their ancestor(s) came to Middlesex County, VA, ca 1684. > > > > Families and friends often migrated together, and John b. 1665 would have > been 19 in 1684, a good date for the arrival of John of M, giving him nine > years to acquire the means to buy land in 1693. Jack Pace has shown that > John was probably already a resident of Middlesex County when he bought the > land. > > > > Gordon has researched that parish and surrounding parishes, and John 1665 is > nowhere to be found in later records. If he died or married, there should be > a record. He apparently left the area. > > > > It's just speculation of course but could be a piece of the puzzle. > > > > I will maintain contact with the Pierce group. You can never tell what might > turn up. > > > > Roy Johnson > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

iIf you google Steger Creek you will read of the ancesty of the owners Michael & Alex Pace which says Michael Pace is the gre-grandson of Robert Septimus Pace and the Grandson of Robert Stanley Pace and the son of Stafford Buck Pace. These paces are descendent of William Moment Pace who was born 1806 and married Dicy King. I believe there is some connection between my Pace family and theirs because of a chancery suit brought against them by my grandfather, John Walker Pace b. 1843, who has been connected to John Of Middlesex thru DNA To my knowledge no descendent of William Moment Pace has done the DNA test although Mr. Robert Pace who is elderly but still lives in Fluvanna did agree to do it several years ago. He has never been married and lives alone in Troy,Va I understand he has many antiques from the Pace family at his home. Would love to know if they have the same DNA

I Have a lot of info in my records about this family For Starters- In Fluvanna County ,Va lives a Robert Pace whose family supposedly bought land from a Steger family . I have the following: William Maclaren Steger b. July 31, 1807 in Buckingham County,Va + Maria Louisa Seargeant Sept 1831-Buckingham Co Va Their daughter Elvira McClaren Steger b. 1845 in Christian County, Ky(western part of the state) + George Robin Pierce m. on Nov 18, 1862 I believe some of this info in from the Fluvanna co historical Society Bulletins Also in Va there is a store which uses the name Steger because they have some connection to fhe Fluvanna County Stegers.

Macedonia United Methodist Church Cemetery Louisa County,Va Her stone: Mother-grandmother with above dates anyone connect? other names buried there: Carter-Crews-Harlow from a posting on the net " Descendants of Henry F. Carter There is a Sarah Alice Pace b. abt. 1850 Fluvanna co Va d. before Juy 19, 1928 in Louisa Co Va Are these two Pace ladies related?

Found another book that mentions a William Pace: Page 37 Grand Juror List, October 1823 for Pulaski County, Georgia Source: Early Court Records of Pulaski County, Georgia, 1809-1823 by Lee G. Barrow Copyright 1994 Published for the author by: Southern Historical Press, Inc. Greenville, SC 29601 Not sure which group this William Pace belongs to, since there were several in Georgia during this time period. Kim Stracener Zapalac

The fun of genealogy is piecing together bits of evidence from various sources to tell a story. It's great if there is documentary evidence, but it is not always there and you have to do the best you can with what you have. DNA has provided conclusive evidence that John of Middlesex is related to Shropshire area Paces, and strong evidence just a bit short of conclusive proof that he was John Pace born 1665 in Shropshire. Recently, a person named Pierce applied for Pace society membership based on his DNA matching John of M Paces. That led to further contact with the Pierce DNA coordinator and some interesting new evidence. Gordon T. Pace says his research in that area shows that the names of Pierce and Pace are often interchanged, sometimes the same person being recorded as Pierce one time and Pace the next. There are two Pierces in the Pierce study who do not match with any Pierces except each other, but both whom match with John of M. When I contacted the Pierce DNA administrator, he sent some added evidence that one of them has family stories that their ancestor(s) came to Middlesex County, VA, ca 1684. Families and friends often migrated together, and John b. 1665 would have been 19 in 1684, a good date for the arrival of John of M, giving him nine years to acquire the means to buy land in 1693. Jack Pace has shown that John was probably already a resident of Middlesex County when he bought the land. Gordon has researched that parish and surrounding parishes, and John 1665 is nowhere to be found in later records. If he died or married, there should be a record. He apparently left the area. It's just speculation of course but could be a piece of the puzzle. I will maintain contact with the Pierce group. You can never tell what might turn up. Roy Johnson

Pace Kirk wrote: > Does anyone know what town in Shropshire, England that John and his parents lived? Shropshire is like a county, correct? Thanks for any info that can be provided. > > Kirk Pace > >>>> "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> 3/12/2009 10:43:45 PM >>> > > For what it's worth, I have been very impressed with Gordon Thomas Pace's research and I am fairly convinced that John Pace of Middlesex Co, VA was a son of Joseph Pace and Margaret Palmer of Shropshire, England. > Gordon W. Pace > Kirk, The John Pace, thought to be John of Middlesex appears in a Christening record at St. Peters Church, Wrockwardine, Shropshire 22 Sept. 1665 This record appears in LDS file P006621 > JOHN PACE Chr 22 Sep 1665 > WROCKWARDINE Shropshire > Father: JOSEPH PACE > Mother: MARGARET PALMER > P006621 There were two other Christenings . ANNE PACE - Chr 02 NOV 1655 RODINGTON, Shropshire - Father: JOSEH PACE C061451-C061453 GEORGE PACE - Chr 28 May 1670 PREES, Shropshire - Father: JOSEPH PACE - Mother not mentioned but George's 1st child also named MARGARET Two other researchers I'm related to, one in Pittsburg, PA the other in Walsall, West Midlands UK had their PACE family back to a GEORGE PACE in Staffordshire. A George Pace wasn't to be found in Staffordshire records so I began searching Shropshire records. A George Pace was found Christened 28 May 1670 at Prees. I was doubtful about George being the one I was looking for until I came across additional facts. I knew the names of George's children already from the two other researchers. It helps, not many PACE Christening records were to be found when I searched many nearby parishes, collecting what I found; most were at PREES, Shropshire, about 8 or 10 miles north of Wrockwardine. Rodington is about 3 miles west of Wrockwardine. PACE records of Prees parish http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/prees.htm Finding the record of JOHN PACE Chr 1665 showed his mother as MARGARET and I knew previously, GEORGE's first child was named MARGARET. The father in John and George's Christenings showed as JOSEPH. I was rather excited to find John Pace's Christening of 1665. The time difference of 10 years, 1655 1665, between Anne and John's Christenings was a puzzle until two additional facts were realized. Margaret Palmer was Christened 1631 at Wellington, the local market town about 2 miles east of Wrockwardine where JOHN PACE was Chr. 1665. I understand JOHN of Middlesex paid his passage to Virginia indicating his family had money for this so his parents were probably of merchant or tradesman standing. John of M left carpenter's tools to his son which indicate he was also a tradesman: "I give to my eldest son John Pace all my carpenders joyners & turners tools & in jenerall saving one large saw one small hand saw two chisels one gowage one addze & one broad ax for the plantation." thanks to Charles Hartley for a copy of the will http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gensoup/pacewill/index.html When I asked Jack Pace of Williamsburg if there were any Palmers in Christ Church parish, Middlesex Co. Jack responded: "The first Palmer recorded in Middlesex County Virginia according to the church register was Sarah Palmer who's illegithmate son Thomas [Palmer] was bapt. 07, September 1711. Six months later on 03, March 1712 she married William Blazedon,...Other Palmer data in Middlesex was Isac Palmer and Elizabeth Tuff married 28, Sep. 1770. Also William Palmer and Ursula Robinson married 10, Feb. 1793." NOTICE the ROBINSON name. I had a PALMER-BLADEN marriage and many other BLADEN marriages in the PALMER collection of Wellington, Shropshire. http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/records/palmer.htm#bladen BLADEN was also found in the Wrockwardine parish where JOHN PACE was Christened in 1665. Earlier this month, on ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS@rootsweb.com I found a ROBINSON-PALMER query Leland Robinson of Frederick Maryland All I know about my great-great grandparents on my father's paternal line are their names -- Richard ROBINSON and Mary PALMER. I know a reasonable amount about Richard's son (my great grandfather) Thomas ROBINSON and his wife Emma LEEKE. Thomas and Emma married 4 Oct 1873 at the parish church, parish of Encall Magna, Salop (Shropshire). At the time they were living in Rodington, parish of Wellington, county of Salop (Shropshire). Not sure what to make of this yet. There's 200 years between my PALMER-PACE and Leland Robinson's PALMER-ROBINSON query but he is referring to the same Shropshire parishes common to my PALMER and his PALMER, Wellington, High Ercall, Rodington, and then Jack Pace's words bring up ROBINSON-PALMER in Christ Church records: "Also William Palmer and Ursula Robinson married 10, Feb. 1793." Sometimes available evidence can be rather astonishing, but up to the individual, just how to interpret this evidence. Gord Pace in Ontario > -----Original Message----- >> From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >> Sent: Mar 12, 2009 10:28 PM >> To: pace@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry >> >> Not prove by documentary records but supported by strong circumstantial >> evidence. For the strong cirmstantial evidence go to >> http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/johngeorge.htm >> >> Roy Johnson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >> Of Michele Hayes >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:46 AM >> To: pace@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry >> >> I just want to clarify this so I have the correct information in my >> database. For many years it was thought that John of Middlesex was >> descended from Richard Pace and Isabella Smythe. Based on DNA evidence in >> recent years, we now believe that he was not from this line of Paces. But >> we do not know who John's parents were, correct? I have seen assumptions >> that his parents were Joseph Pace (b. 1618) and Margaret Palmer (b. 1631), >> but this has not been proven (correct?). I'm sorry if this information has >> been posted previously. I recently retired and now have the time to >> continue my genealogy research in earnest. >> >> Thanks, >> Michele Hayes

It is of course not proven that John of Shropshire was John of Middlesex, but the circumstantial evidence is strong. John of Shropshire was born in Prees, Shropshire, today very near the border of what is accepted as Wales (there is no real border. Wales is part of the United Kingdom.). Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pace Kirk Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:08 PM To: Pace Gordon W.; pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry Does anyone know what town in Shropshire, England that John and his parents lived? Shropshire is like a county, correct? Thanks for any info that can be provided. Kirk Pace >>> "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> 3/12/2009 10:43:45 PM >>> For what it's worth, I have been very impressed with Gordon Thomas Pace's research and I am fairly convinced that John Pace of Middlesex Co, VA was a son of Joseph Pace and Margaret Palmer of Shropshire, England. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >Sent: Mar 12, 2009 10:28 PM >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry > >Not prove by documentary records but supported by strong circumstantial >evidence. For the strong cirmstantial evidence go to >http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/johngeorge.htm > >Roy Johnson > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >Of Michele Hayes >Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:46 AM >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry > >I just want to clarify this so I have the correct information in my >database. For many years it was thought that John of Middlesex was >descended from Richard Pace and Isabella Smythe. Based on DNA evidence in >recent years, we now believe that he was not from this line of Paces. But >we do not know who John's parents were, correct? I have seen assumptions >that his parents were Joseph Pace (b. 1618) and Margaret Palmer (b. 1631), >but this has not been proven (correct?). I'm sorry if this information has >been posted previously. I recently retired and now have the time to >continue my genealogy research in earnest. > >Thanks, >Michele Hayes > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 >20:42:00 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just got this from FTDNA. Don't think I would really want to wear that T-shirt in public. It can have several interpretations. Besides, I'm not really sure how this family finder works, and I'm sure the Pace Society does not want to shell out that kind of money to see, and I would not advise any single donor to do so either. Wonder how many Group Administrators will have the ready funds for a "test" of this new service? Roy Johnson Family Finder Updates We apologize for sending this email twice, but we needed to make a correction to the email link below. As you know from the email we sent last week we have begun a limited rollout of our newest product, the Family Finder. The pre-launch has gone very well and later this week we'll be uploading the first 48 samples that customers ordered last week, during the initial hour of the rollout. We expect to 'stress test' the system and deliver results for 1 full plate (96 samples) next week, and 2 plates (192) the following week. Processing will be ramping up to several hundred kits per week. We are now prepared to offer to each of our Group Administrators the opportunity to participate in the 2nd phase of the pre-launch of this exciting new tool. Each Group Admin may select one kit # that He/She would like to order a Family Finder test at the introductory price of $249. In addition to that, as a token of appreciation to our Group Administrators, each Group Administrator ordering a Family Finder test will receive a commemorative t-shirt, the motto for this new test: "Sex doesn't matter anymore". To let us know which kit you want in this Phase II offer, please email <mailto:FFPhase2@familytreeDNA.com?Subject=Family%20Finder%20Beta> FFPhase2@familytreeDNA.com and provide us with the kit # of the testee. This kit number must NOT begin with a D. We'll have more exciting news about Family Finder and our participation in the "Who Do You Think You Are" conference this weekend in London when Max and I return. Family Tree DNA is the official sponsor of that conference's DNA Workshop. Bennett Greenspan President Family Tree DNA C All Contents Copyright 2001-2010 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd.

I haven't been following the Family Finder testing too closely, but I do know that Family Tree DNA is not the first company to offer autosomal DNA testing.    Autosomal testing allows both men and women to test DNA for common ancestry - with a fairly good confidence level up to 5 generations.  Autosomal testing results are not limited to just a person's surname line or a mitochondrial line.  One of the other family DNA projects I follow has used autosomal DNA testing along with the Y-DNA testing, but it only has a handful of participants in the autosomal testing at this point. For more information about Family Tree DNA's new Family Finder testing, here is a link to the FAQ's: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/17.aspx Rebecca Christensen --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> wrote: From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> Subject: [PACE] Message from FTDNA To: pace@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:12 PM Just got this from FTDNA. Don't think I would really want to wear that T-shirt in public. It can have several interpretations. Besides, I'm not really sure how this family finder works, and I'm sure the Pace Society does not want to shell out that kind of money to see, and I would not advise any single donor to do so either. Wonder how many Group Administrators will have the ready funds for a "test" of this new service? Roy Johnson Family Finder Updates We apologize for sending this email twice, but we needed to make a correction to the email link below. As you know from the email we sent last week we have begun a limited rollout of our newest product, the Family Finder. The pre-launch has gone very well and later this week we'll be uploading the first 48 samples that customers ordered last week, during the initial hour of the rollout. We expect to 'stress test' the system and deliver results for 1 full plate (96 samples) next week, and 2 plates (192) the following week. Processing will be ramping up to several hundred kits per week. We are now prepared to offer to each of our Group Administrators the opportunity to participate in the 2nd phase of the pre-launch of this exciting new tool. Each Group Admin may select one kit # that He/She would like to order a Family Finder test at the introductory price of $249. In addition to that, as a token of appreciation to our Group Administrators, each Group Administrator ordering a Family Finder test will receive a commemorative t-shirt, the motto for this new test: "Sex doesn't matter anymore". To let us know which kit you want in this Phase II offer, please email <mailto:FFPhase2@familytreeDNA.com?Subject=Family%20Finder%20Beta> FFPhase2@familytreeDNA.com and provide us with the kit # of the testee. This kit number must NOT begin with a D. We'll have more exciting news about Family Finder and our participation in the "Who Do You Think You Are" conference this weekend in London when Max and I return. Family Tree DNA is the official sponsor of that conference's DNA Workshop. Bennett Greenspan President Family Tree DNA C All Contents Copyright 2001-2010 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy, Wasn't there a PACE, Stainton-in-Cleveland, that wrote you once? I don't remember and if it was a long time ago, I wouldn't have it on file, Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordpace@eagle.ca Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:32 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE] PACE mothers - of famous people In England some famous folk had PACE mothers. 1. JOSEPH ARCH of Barford, Warrickshire Methodist preacher, founder of National Agricultural Labourers' Union 1873 Member of Parliament Joseph's mother was HANNAH SHARRARD nee PACE http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/arch.htm#top http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUarch.htm Arch became a Primitive Methodist lay preacher. In many of his sermons he dealt with the financial problems of farm labourers. He developed a reputation as a radical and in 1872 he was approached by a group of men who sought his help in forming a farm workers' union. In 1872 the National Agricultural Labourers' Union was established and Joseph Arch was elected as its full-time President. Arch, the first agricultural labourer to be a member of the House of Commons. For more-click on the spartacus link. 2. Captain JAMES COOK - HMS Eagle, HMS Mercury, The Endeavour Bark cartographer of renown - mother GRACE PACE m Stainton-in-Cleveland http://pacefamilyhistory.info/fact/1013.htm - his PACE history http://www.cptcook.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook Cook's parents, James Cook (1694-1779) & Grace Pace (1702-1765), married at Stainton-in-Cleveland, North Yorkshire, on Oct 10 1725, and lived at Marton (then a small village, today a suburb of Middlesbrough) where James Cook was born in 1728 Cook was the second of eight children of James Cook, a Scottish farm labourer, and his locally born wife Grace Pace from Thornaby on Tees which is in the Middlesborough area. Gord Pace, my grandmother was an ARCH, mother a MASON. Her father was buried 1911 at the mentioned city of Middlesborough. Yesterday, Larry ARCH of Boston Mass., grandson of JOSEPH ARCH wrote me, his new born great grandson was named MASON JOSEPH ARCH. Strangely, MASON was the maiden surname of my grandmother Annie ARCH's mother who came from http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/arch.htm Roy, Wasn't there a PACE, Stainton-in-Cleveland, that wrote you once? Jno COOK was witness, Joseph Arch's parents 1818 wedding. Possible connection COOK ARCH PACE - family mystery for years, Maybe more to come. Gord Pace, Ontario ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what town in Shropshire, England that John and his parents lived? Shropshire is like a county, correct? Thanks for any info that can be provided. Kirk Pace >>> "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> 3/12/2009 10:43:45 PM >>> For what it's worth, I have been very impressed with Gordon Thomas Pace's research and I am fairly convinced that John Pace of Middlesex Co, VA was a son of Joseph Pace and Margaret Palmer of Shropshire, England. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >Sent: Mar 12, 2009 10:28 PM >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry > >Not prove by documentary records but supported by strong circumstantial >evidence. For the strong cirmstantial evidence go to >http://www.pacesociety.org/DNA/johngeorge.htm > >Roy Johnson > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf >Of Michele Hayes >Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:46 AM >To: pace@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACE] John of Middlesex Ancestry > >I just want to clarify this so I have the correct information in my >database. For many years it was thought that John of Middlesex was >descended from Richard Pace and Isabella Smythe. Based on DNA evidence in >recent years, we now believe that he was not from this line of Paces. But >we do not know who John's parents were, correct? I have seen assumptions >that his parents were Joseph Pace (b. 1618) and Margaret Palmer (b. 1631), >but this has not been proven (correct?). I'm sorry if this information has >been posted previously. I recently retired and now have the time to >continue my genealogy research in earnest. > >Thanks, >Michele Hayes > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 03/11/09 >20:42:00 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In England some famous folk had PACE mothers. 1. JOSEPH ARCH of Barford, Warrickshire Methodist preacher, founder of National Agricultural Labourers' Union 1873 Member of Parliament Joseph's mother was HANNAH SHARRARD nee PACE http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/lines/arch.htm#top http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUarch.htm Arch became a Primitive Methodist lay preacher. In many of his sermons he dealt with the financial problems of farm labourers. He developed a reputation as a radical and in 1872 he was approached by a group of men who sought his help in forming a farm workers' union. In 1872 the National Agricultural Labourers' Union was established and Joseph Arch was elected as its full-time President. Arch, the first agricultural labourer to be a member of the House of Commons. For more-click on the spartacus link. 2. Captain JAMES COOK - HMS Eagle, HMS Mercury, The Endeavour Bark cartographer of renown - mother GRACE PACE m Stainton-in-Cleveland http://pacefamilyhistory.info/fact/1013.htm - his PACE history http://www.cptcook.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook Cook's parents, James Cook (1694-1779) & Grace Pace (1702-1765), married at Stainton-in-Cleveland, North Yorkshire, on Oct 10 1725, and lived at Marton (then a small village, today a suburb of Middlesbrough) where James Cook was born in 1728 Cook was the second of eight children of James Cook, a Scottish farm labourer, and his locally born wife Grace Pace from Thornaby on Tees which is in the Middlesborough area. Gord Pace, my grandmother was an ARCH, mother a MASON. Her father was buried 1911 at the mentioned city of Middlesborough. Yesterday, Larry ARCH of Boston Mass., grandson of JOSEPH ARCH wrote me, his new born great grandson was named MASON JOSEPH ARCH. Strangely, MASON was the maiden surname of my grandmother Annie ARCH's mother who came from http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/arch.htm Roy, Wasn't there a PACE, Stainton-in-Cleveland, that wrote you once? Jno COOK was witness, Joseph Arch's parents 1818 wedding. Possible connection COOK ARCH PACE - family mystery for years, Maybe more to come. Gord Pace, Ontario

For 4 yrs or so I hit brick walls because my PACE husband's DNA did not matching anyone. Yet the paper trail suggested his ancestor was surrounded by kinfolk. Finally I found Jerry's "1/2 1st cousin 2 times removed" (#137170 on ftdna). He has a DNA page full of genetic cousins, although I still don't know their common ancestor. And my husband's ancestor (#12269)? Well, he wasn't a PACE, although he was named Joseph B PACE b 1850, 1st born son Joacum PACE. Maybe he was adopted into family when birth mom died. Or maybe mom was friendly with the tinker man. If you post your query on Pace-L I'll bet you get lots of help. Cheers! Jackie Ashley PACE The Woodlands, TX http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ashley42 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Hallum To: jackie@ashley-pace.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: Pace I am looking for information on Drury Pace listed in Humphries Co., TN in 1840 and Carroll Co., TN in 1830. In 1840 Joel Pace, probably a son, is listed next Drury and then Uriah M. Herrin (spelled different ways) is almost a almost certainly a son in law. I am looking to find Drury wife's name. Do you have any thing more about Drury. Drury is my ggg grandfather. Tommy Hallum -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5116 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message