Rebecca, I can no longer find the charts showing the probability of MRCA within x generations given a match of y DYS values (say 36/37). It only does the FTENATip which only shows the probabilities within 12 markers. Do you know if that is still on the site or has it been taken off? Roy

I would add one other piece of circumstantial evidence to my previous email. DNA proves John of M was a Shropshire Pace, as I pointed out. Despite a diligent search of parishes throughout Shropshire by Gordon T. Pace, no other John Paces have been found who would fit the time frame. Roy Johnson

Jack Pace: My feeling is that the John Pace baptised in Hungar's Parish, VA in 1662 has never been identified. The baptism record indicated that his father's name was John Pace and the mother was Mary. At one time I thought that he could have been John Pace of Middlesex. This cannot be true as Gordon Thomas Pace, who is the expert on this subject, has provided convincing circumstantial evidence that John of Middlesex was b. in 1665 in Shropshire, a son of Joseph and Margaret Pace (or Pacey). This has been confirmed by the results of many DNA tests. Absolutely nothing more is known about the Paces of Hungar's Parish, VA, such as whether they had any descendants. The possibility should be considered that they could be the ancestors of many of the early Virginia Colonial Paces whose ancestry has not been discovered. Further questions should probably be directed to Gordon Thomas Pace, a frequent contributor to this list. Gordon William Pace -----Original Message----- >From: paceshire@cox.net >Sent: Mar 13, 2010 9:35 PM >To: "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> >Cc: royj@webster.edu, gtp3066@nexicon.net >Subject: Re: [PACE] William Franklin Pace Cole Co, MO > >Gordon: In this post you advise that John of Midd [d. 1720] was also John Pace b. 1665 in Shropshire, England. No source indicated. Shortly after the publication of Bruce Howards book you were promoting that John Of Midd was of the Hungar Parish Paces from Eastern Shore Virginia. Do you now contend that the Eastern Shore Paces came to America from Shropshire. I'm having trouble making this connection. Would like to see some concrete evidence. Jack Pace >---- "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> wrote: >> Clyde: >> I have a very large database of Paces which contains 9 William Franklin Paces, all descendants of the Colonial Virginia Paces. The only one who settled in Cole Co, MO was the one you mentioned, a son of Joseph Griffin Pace b 11/8/1832 IL and Margaret Murray Riggs, m. in 1856. He was a son of John R. Pace b. 4/18/1790 and Emily Taylor. This goes back three more generations to John Pace of Middlesex, b. 1665 in Shropshire, England. >> I am fairly certain that this William Franklin Pace was your dirct ancestor. I do not know who his wife or children were. You mentioned that their might be a problem because you have the names of two wives for this William Franklin Pace. However, you did not mention either of their names. It is course possible that he had two wives. I would like to know who the children were of this William Franklin Pace and I can send you the details of his ancestry if you are interested. >> Gordon W. Pace >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Clyde Pace <cpace3@kc.rr.com> >> >Sent: Mar 9, 2010 11:10 AM >> >To: PACE@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: [PACE] Hi, I'm new >> > >> >Hello, >> >My name is Clyde Wilson Pace, 3rd. I'm new to the Pace Society and to this site. My background is primarily from Missouri, Cole County and I can go back to William Frank Pace, Cole County (My great-grandfather). But there it stops/changes/disappears. I can locate a William Franklin Pace (from Joseph Griffin Pace and Margaret Murray), but my great-grandfather William Frank Pace married Phoebe Isabel Glenn, they had Clyde William Pace (my grandfather) who married Mary Rose Agnes Dirckx, they had my father Clyde Wilson Pace, Jr who married Sarilou Smart, then I came along. >> >Obviously, the area of concern is William Frank Pace and William Franklin Pace, both showing identical Cole County birth and death dates, but with two different wives... if this is not the proper forum for these types of questions, I apologize. >> >Thanks, >> >Clyde >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Kathleen Pace Goodwin (dau. of Champion H. Pace), whose wife was a Johnson (Catharin "Kate) M. Johnson) did not live at "Evergreen". They lived at "Pleasant Hill", on a hill overlooking "Evergreen" land. Shirl Wilkins reports that "Pleasant Hill" still stands, and she has written a book "Safe Shores My Camelot". (Copy at Fluvanna Museum at Palmyra.) Shirl is a very gifted writer, as I discovered while reading her Prologue and other parts of this book, she shared with me. Shirl tells of her early Johnson - Minter family from early Fluvanna days. Mrs. Ellen Miyagawa gave permission for some of her writing to be included. Kathy Best

I am researching the family of EVERTON PACE, b. abt. 1858 in Ind. and d. prob in Grant Co. Ind. wife name was MARY O'BRIEN b. abt. 1863 and died in Grant Co. Children were JOHN ROLLA, b. 1880, ALVIN b. abt. 1885, LAWRENCE b. 1885, ETHEL b. abt. 1890, LEOLA, B. 1893, MABLE GERTRUDE, B. 1896, and EVERTON B. 1898. I believe EVERTON'S parents were WILLIAM, b. abt. 1834 in VA, and MARY JANE, b. abt. 1834 in Ohio, both dying in Grant Co. Ind. I would like to exchange information and share pictures. Thanks, Jackie in Grant Co. Ind.

John, Very clear explanation, thank you. Other comments/questions: I am studying the Pace Land records for the, saving and printing the records. I found in my notes, a transcription for the 400 acres for George Pace 1628. I didn't find who transcribed this one. Is there a timeline or summary of the Virginia Pace lands owned, acreages, grantor, grantee, etc.? I am hoping to view a full summary of the history of these lands, the transfers, etc. This could help us genealogically. For my land and my families ranch and farm lands in Colorado and Utah, I have ABSTRACTS, that chart or document the full ownership history in a summary format. These are probably done by landmen who lease the mineral rights from landowners to coal, oil & gas companies. Are their mineral rights attached to lands in Virginia? If so when did it start? Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <pjohndeb@verizon.net> To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property-LANDMEASUREMENTS IN VIRGINIA-600 ACRES > Larry: > Try the url below , click on 23 and 24, they are the patents to George > Pace along the James River. the patent in 1650 was for 1700 acres, the > patent for 1652 was for 507 acres. Although George's patent does not state > whether a two pole chain or a 4 pole chain was used, I can tell you they > used a two pole chain for the reasons stated below. http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/HS576H8T7Q7ICQCQ2IXMJ446DUPGG95GMSAD8D8DUVJD7H16I1-14296?func=short-jump&jump=000021

Larry: Try the url below , click on 23 and 24, they are the patents to George Pace along the James River. the patent in 1650 was for 1700 acres, the patent for 1652 was for 507 acres. Although George's patent does not state whether a two pole chain or a 4 pole chain was used, I can tell you they used a two pole chain for the reasons stated below. http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/HS576H8T7Q7ICQCQ2IXMJ446DUPGG95GMSAD8D8DUVJD7H16I1-14296?func=short-jump&jump=000021 As for the 33ft. chain vs. the 66ft chain, I can tell you that when platting George's Patent of 1650 which was 1700 acres, using Deedmapper software which is extremely accurate, I used 33 ft chain measurements and the area comes to 1761 acres. Not bad for the terrain involved. It may be interesting to note that in a time when the patents were just estimated and described as running from creek to creek or into the woods or similar language, George Paces Patent was described in perfect detail and is one of the most accurate patents which I have done, and I have done hundreds. If everyone had done as good as our George, there would be no problems plotting at all. Although surveyors used a plane surveying compass to determine the bearing of a survey line, distances were measured using a chain. Carrying the chain and measuring the distances along the survey lines was done by laborers, called chainmen. A full surveyor's chain consisted of one hundred equal links and was sixty-six feet long. Each link represented a decimal of the chain, and twenty-five links equaled an English statutory pole. The standard chain equaled four poles. Eighty chains equaled one mile. Although the full chain was standard equipment in England, dragging a sixty-six-foot chain through the brush of colonial Virginia's forests was impractical. A long chain would hang on brush or logs and the dense vegetation often made it difficult for the chain carriers to see each other. Colonial surveyors like Peter Jefferson used a half-or two-pole-chain, which had fifty links and was thirty-three feet. John Pace -------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Pace" <LPace1943@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:26 AM To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property-LANDMEASUREMENTS IN VIRGINIA-600 ACRES > I MISSED JOHN'S posted info citing a VA LIBRARY URL that brings up the info > posted below. It shows 600 acres. I can't find the date of the patent, just > the 1687 Publication date. I am trying to view the original patent, which > should give the Boundary measurements, that they used to arrive at 600 > acres. Wondering about the details. HELP APPRECIATED > > > > All of the land of George and Sarah Maycock Pace was platted by me and Val > Tice and appears in Spring 2009 Bulletin #167 and there is no doubt that it > is on the South side of the James River. Why would you think it would be on > the North side? All of the Pace land patents in VA are on the Library of > Virginia website, > http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 > John Pace > > > > Title Pace, George. Publication 20 April 1687. Other Format Available on > microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note > Location: Charles City County. Description: 600 acres on the south side of > James River, nigh the Blackwater; adjoining the land of John Williams. > Source: Land Office Patents No. 7, 1679-1689 (v.1 & 2 p.1-719), p. 554 (Reel > 7). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by > the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The > collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - > Personal Pace, George. grantee. Williams, John. Subject - Topical Land > titles. -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- Charles City County > Subject -Geographic Charles City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. > Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- Charles City County. Added Entry > Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. > Archives. > System Number 000803448 > > > Larry Pace > GENEALOGY > LPace1943@comcast.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Pace" <LPace1943@comcast.net> > To: <pace@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace > property-LANDMEASUREMENTS IN VIRGINIA > > >>I found the info and web sites below, while searching for info on Weyanoke >> Old Town dig, which has a link on the home page below. >> >> My big question is based on the info below which states that 1 chain >> equals >> 66 feet, a measurement used in the 17th and 18th centuries in Virginia, >> what >> is the real answer to the number of acres of the Maycock land and George >> Pace's Flowerdeu Hundred. What is the source of 1 chain equals 33 feet? >> All >> I can find is 1 two pole chain equals 33 feet. What does the land patents >> or >> whatever record you site read for number of chains/metes and bounds, etc? >> >> How many acres are we talking about for the respective properties? >> >> Who is correct in this argument? See the Pace-L discussion excerpts below. >> >> Review info below and help me understand the reason for the argument and >> the >> correct answers. We never stop learning and this academic adventure has >> been >> interesting. Class never ends for students of history and genealogy. >> >> Larry Pace, GENEALOGY, LPace1943@comcast.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

   The Pace Society Bulletins and transcription along with the image of the 1628 Patent are online on the Pace Society website on the members-only side of the website.  The recent Bulletins have an excellent series of articles by Val Tice and John Pace showing the plats of the early Pace lands in Virginia along with their neighbors, starting with Bulletin 167 (Spring 2009).  The online version of the Bulletins are in full color, so the maps are visually easy to understand.  The land was plotted with the DeedMapper program. Rebecca Christensen --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Larry Pace <LPace1943@comcast.net> wrote: From: Larry Pace <LPace1943@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PACE] George Pace Patent of 400 acres-1628 To: pace@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:11 PM George Pace Patent of 400 acres-1628 I need to stop solving my own questions on line. Is this the correct George Pace Patent of 400 acres and Publication dated 1628? My Bulletin and my copy of the book Colonial Ancestors are packed away for a move, so I am minus two sources to understand original discussion. The original tiff document found thru the website below has probably been transcribed? Patent  Title Pace, George. Publication 1 September 1628. Gen. note "son and heir aparent to Richard Pace, decd..." Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: James City County. Description: 400 acres within the Corporation of James City, the southern side of the river at the plantation called Paces Pain. Source: Land Office Patents No. 1, 1623-1643 (v.1 & 2), p. 64 (Reel 1). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - Personal Pace, George. grantee. Pace, Richard. Subject - Topical Land titles -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- James City County. Subject -Geographic James City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- James City County. Added Entry Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. Archives. System Number 000803449 http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/S3CJSQ8647C88XQYJAELNPPVVNYB719N2R7H7XVY4CNVEMPLN3-62086?func=full-set-set&set_number=002469&set_entry=000005&format=999 Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net

George Pace Patent of 400 acres-1628 I need to stop solving my own questions on line. Is this the correct George Pace Patent of 400 acres and Publication dated 1628? My Bulletin and my copy of the book Colonial Ancestors are packed away for a move, so I am minus two sources to understand original discussion. The original tiff document found thru the website below has probably been transcribed? Patent Title Pace, George. Publication 1 September 1628. Gen. note "son and heir aparent to Richard Pace, decd..." Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: James City County. Description: 400 acres within the Corporation of James City, the southern side of the river at the plantation called Paces Pain. Source: Land Office Patents No. 1, 1623-1643 (v.1 & 2), p. 64 (Reel 1). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - Personal Pace, George. grantee. Pace, Richard. Subject - Topical Land titles -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- James City County. Subject -Geographic James City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- James City County. Added Entry Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. Archives. System Number 000803449 http://lva1.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/F/S3CJSQ8647C88XQYJAELNPPVVNYB719N2R7H7XVY4CNVEMPLN3-62086?func=full-set-set&set_number=002469&set_entry=000005&format=999 Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net

I MISSED JOHN'S posted info citing a VA LIBRARY URL that brings up the info posted below. It shows 600 acres. I can't find the date of the patent, just the 1687 Publication date. I am trying to view the original patent, which should give the Boundary measurements, that they used to arrive at 600 acres. Wondering about the details. HELP APPRECIATED All of the land of George and Sarah Maycock Pace was platted by me and Val Tice and appears in Spring 2009 Bulletin #167 and there is no doubt that it is on the South side of the James River. Why would you think it would be on the North side? All of the Pace land patents in VA are on the Library of Virginia website, http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 John Pace Title Pace, George. Publication 20 April 1687. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Note Location: Charles City County. Description: 600 acres on the south side of James River, nigh the Blackwater; adjoining the land of John Williams. Source: Land Office Patents No. 7, 1679-1689 (v.1 & 2 p.1-719), p. 554 (Reel 7). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Subject - Personal Pace, George. grantee. Williams, John. Subject - Topical Land titles. -- Registration and transfer -- Virginia -- Charles City County Subject -Geographic Charles City County (Va.) -- History -- 17th century. Genre/Form Land grants -- Virginia -- Charles City County. Added Entry Virginia. Colonial Land Office. Patents, 1623-1774. Library of Virginia. Archives. System Number 000803448 Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Pace" <LPace1943@comcast.net> To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property-LANDMEASUREMENTS IN VIRGINIA >I found the info and web sites below, while searching for info on Weyanoke > Old Town dig, which has a link on the home page below. > > My big question is based on the info below which states that 1 chain > equals > 66 feet, a measurement used in the 17th and 18th centuries in Virginia, > what > is the real answer to the number of acres of the Maycock land and George > Pace's Flowerdeu Hundred. What is the source of 1 chain equals 33 feet? > All > I can find is 1 two pole chain equals 33 feet. What does the land patents > or > whatever record you site read for number of chains/metes and bounds, etc? > > How many acres are we talking about for the respective properties? > > Who is correct in this argument? See the Pace-L discussion excerpts below. > > Review info below and help me understand the reason for the argument and > the > correct answers. We never stop learning and this academic adventure has > been > interesting. Class never ends for students of history and genealogy. > > Larry Pace, GENEALOGY, LPace1943@comcast.net

Blicks dig, found dogs and humans with the dog skeletons dating from 1020 to 1273 AD, long before our ancestors arrived in the Jamestown area. These human bodies must be Native American bodies based on being buried with their canine friends. Out west, disturbing a Native American body, is not advised and the Antiquities Act applies for any artifacts found. Maybe why there is not a reference to humans origin, DNA or physical features. Maybe a report on the humans later. Larry Pace GENEALOGY LPace1943@comcast.net CHECK OUT THIS SITE-which leads to others that depict archealogy of the area. Artifacts from Weyanoke Old Town http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/pg51.html Prince George County Research Page --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tracking the origin of man's best friend http://hamptonroads.com/2010/01/tracking-origin-mans-best-friend ALONG THE JAMES RIVER EXCERPTS FROM ARTICLE TO CLARIFY POINTS OF ISSUE- for those who do not have internet. As a young archaeologist, Blick helped make an astounding discovery here - the skeletons of 112 dogs buried by Native Americans nearly 1,000 years ago. The prehistoric dogs from Virginia stood about 16 inches high, about the size of today's Shetland sheepdog, and ranged from 18 to 32 pounds. Their color? Unknown, but Blick hopes DNA will provide an answer. Most importantly, the Virginia dogs are old - too old to have interbred with those of European colonists. The Virginia skeletons date from around 1020 to 1273 A.D., some 300 to 600 years before the English arrived. excavating a site that had been occupied by humans for at least 10,000 years. Its exact location Blick tries to keep secret to protect it from relic hunters. About 2 million artifacts were recovered during the dig Three seem to have been sacrificed." One of the three was buried on the feet of an elderly woman, with a pot placed on top of it. The other two dogs were buried separately, each with the forearm of a man - war trophies? A few dogs had pots or cups buried with them, while others seem to have been less valued. "We have people there that are buried ceremoniously, and then we have some that look like they were thrown in the pit and their feet didn't quite go in all the way." There is no evidence that any dog was butchered or cooked, he said, although the Iroquois and Algonquins were known to eat dogs. However, some of the dogs had injuries. NORTHEAST ANTHROPOLOGY Abstracts: Issue 69 http://www.albany.edu/northeast_anthropology/abstracts/issue69.htm 59-85 Canis Familiaris Skeletal Remains From Weyanoke Old Town (44pg51), Virginia Jeffrey P. Blick Weyanoke Old Town (44PG51), Prince George County, Virginia, has yielded approximately 112 mostly complete Canis familiaris (domestic dog) skeletons from numerous features on a Late Woodland Virginia Algonquian (Weyanoke) village. Features included trash pits, human burials, and two apparent ritual deposits in which dogs accompany severed human forearms. The sample analyzed for this report included 47 dogs: approximately 60% adult or subadult (28/47), approximately 40% immature (19/47), and 50% male and female (14/28 each, of those identifiable to sex). Analysis of basioccipital measurements indicates that sex of the dogs can be determined with a high degree of confidence. Pathologies were identified in about 57% (16/28) of the adult and subadult dogs, and dental abnormalities (subnumerary and supernumerary teeth, microdontia, dental crowding, and slight to severe dental attrition) are present in about 89% (25/28) of the adult and subadult dogs analyzed to date. Additional skeletal abnormalities including healed fractures (perhaps indicative of mistreatment), disease (periostitis, arthritis, osteoarthrosis), and fused limb and foot bones were recorded. Cranial measurements suggest that these dogs fall into the mesaticephalic (medium-sized) skull type. Generally, the Weyanoke canids would be classified as medium-sized dogs standing an average of 42 cm high and weighing an average of 10.11 kg (22.29 lbs). ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <pjohndeb@verizon.net> To: <pace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property >I have been in contact recently with the Anthopologist/Archaeologist, >Jeffery Blick who participated in the Archaeological digs over 20 years ago >at Weyanoke Old Town, an Indian Town located on one of the patents acquired >by George and Sarah Maycock Pace. This area is now part of the James River >National Wildlife Refuge which can be visited by permit. Jeff has written >many papers on his findings, primarily concerning dog remains recovered >there. He provided me with a link that one can view some pictures and read >a story of his recent revisit of the area. >http://hamptonroads.com/2010/01/tracking-origin-mans-best-friend . Samuel >Maycock was the previous owner of part of George Paces' patents and was >killed in the Indian Massacre. of 1622. Perhaps Samuel Maycock's bones were >some of the ones mentioned in the article. > > John Pace

I found the info and web sites below, while searching for info on Weyanoke Old Town dig, which has a link on the home page below. My big question is based on the info below which states that 1 chain equals 66 feet, a measurement used in the 17th and 18th centuries in Virginia, what is the real answer to the number of acres of the Maycock land and George Pace's Flowerdeu Hundred. What is the source of 1 chain equals 33 feet? All I can find is 1 two pole chain equals 33 feet. What does the land patents or whatever record you site read for number of chains/metes and bounds, etc? How many acres are we talking about for the respective properties? Who is correct in this argument? See the Pace-L discussion excerpts below. Review info below and help me understand the reason for the argument and the correct answers. We never stop learning and this academic adventure has been interesting. Class never ends for students of history and genealogy. Larry Pace, GENEALOGY, LPace1943@comcast.net CHAIN OF MEASUREMENT VIRGINIA http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/compass.html The Virginia Foundation for Archaeological Research, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/index.html MAPPING EARLY BOUNDARIES The Old Compass and Bearing Equivalent Table for Plotting Old Virginia Land Boundaries by Eve Gregory Linear Measurements Used in Virginia in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries a.. 1 chain = 66 feet b.. 1 two-pole Chain = 33 feet c.. 1 link = 1/100 of a 66 foot chain d.. 1 perch = 1 pole, but also 1 square pole e.. 1 pole = 16.5 feet f.. 1 prime = 1/10th of a pole g.. 1 rod = 16.5 feet h.. 1 rood = 1 rod, but also 40 square rods How to Plot Boundaries LAND SURVEY BY GEORGE WASHINGTON http://www.virginiamemory.com/online_classroom/lesson_plans/land_survey_by_george_washington The metes and bounds procedure of mapping land originated in England in the 16th century, and during this time "Edmund Gunter is credited with inventing an accurate measuring instrument called the chain. A Gunter's Chain was 22 yards long, four perches (the traditional unit of measurement, also known as a Rod or a Pole). His chain was divided into 100 links, marked off into groups of 10 by brass rings. On the face of it, the dimensions make no sense: each link is 7.92 inches long and its full length is 66 feet. In fact, he had merged two otherwise incompatible systems, the traditional English land measurement, based on the number 4, and the newly introduced French system of decimals based on the number 10: 10 square chains made an acre" Learn more about the history of surveying and mapmaking in Virginia through the online exhibition for "From Williamsburg to Wills's Creek: The Fry-Jefferson Map of Virginia." previous PACE-L postings: I have been in contact recently with the Anthopologist/Archaeologist, Jeffery Blick who participated in the Archaeological digs over 20 years ago at Weyanoke Old Town, an Indian Town located on one of the patents acquired by George and Sarah Maycock Pace. This area is now part of the James River National Wildlife Refuge which can be visited by permit. Jeff has written many papers on his findings, primarily concerning dog remains recovered there. He provided me with a link that one can view some pictures and read a story of his recent revisit of the area. http://hamptonroads.com/2010/01/tracking-origin-mans-best-friend . Samuel Maycock was the previous owner of part of George Paces' patents and was killed in the Indian Massacre. of 1622. Perhaps Samuel Maycock's bones were some of the ones mentioned in the article. John Pace The wrong formula would result in quadrupling the area, not doubling it. Example: 100 Chains (33') squared equals 250 acres, 100 Chains (66') squared equals 1000 acres. Lonnie Pace Bruce Howard was confused about the size of George Paces patent at Maycocks, primarily because he mistakenly thought a chain of measurement was 66 feet in Virginia; not so, a chain was 33 feet. Of course the land patent of George Pace of 1650 would have been twice its actual size if the wrong formula of 66 feet were used. This would have encompassed all of Maycocks Point and Windmill Point which was impossible because it is well known that Flowerdeu Hundred was located at Windmill Point. In turn he concocted some theory about the Maycock description found in the Patent as being some kind of Indian fruit. When Bruce disputed the location of Samuel Maycocks land, he disagreed with many Historians, Archaeologists and Mapmakers and he was just wrong. I am sure he is probably aware of that now, but printed word does not go away. John Pace It's interesting that Samuel Maycock bones may have been found for I have never seen a discripition and location where his patent (Hundred) was located. Bruce Howard had an idea but never documented. Jack Pace

Hello all, I am posting some information on Alsey Pace b. 1803 son of Henning Pace. I am attempting to correct some errors. If anyone has further information, please let me know. A while back something was said about a man named Wayne Jeffords who had posted a group sheet on Ancestry for a man named Dempsey Osley Pace and his wife Mary Elizabeth Johnston. For the record, Mr. Jeffords was only partially correct. He has the given name wrong, the wife's surname is wrong and there are errors in the list of children. There are still some questions but what I have listed below is what appears to be correct to date. The man Mr. Jeffords was attempting to document is Alsey Pace born about 1803 son of Henning Pace and Martha Bradshaw. Alsey is just plain Alsey. There is a photo posted on line on the Stone County MO County pages listed as the family of Osley Pace. The name was either pronounced wrong or a written "A" is mistaken for an "O". The photo is identified as Margaret Pace Rickman, Martha Ann Pace Johnson, Isabella Pace Rickman, John Gideon Pace, and Catherine Luretta Pace Woods. The name Dempsey Mr. Jeffords picked up was Alsey's brother who was born about 1815. Alsey Pace (1803) wife was Mary Johnson daughter of Duncan Johnson. The Paces moved from Wilson County TN to Madison County TN by 1822. The family of Duncan Johnson apparently also moved from Wilson County. Alsey and Mary Johnson were married 27 Jun 1824, according to a published newspaper account in Madison County TN and posted on line. Alsey died about 1849, Mary is living Lawrence County MO 1850. Alsey and Mary's Children: There may be two sets of twins. 1. Margaret McNeal Pace b about 1827 marr Elisha Baker Rickman 2. Henning*** Pace b. about 1827 Marriage Henning E. to Malany Wood 31 Aug 1851 Lawrence Co. MO 3. Martha Ann Pace b. Feb 1832; marr Fleming Johnson---she eventually went back to Benton Co. AR 4. John Gideon Pace b. abt 1833 did not marry, died Benton County AR bur Buttram's Chapel Cemetery 5. Louretta Catharine b. 14 Feb 1835 married Page Monroe Woods 6. Alexander**** Pace b. abt 1838 7. Joel S. Pace b. abt 1838 apparently died early 8. William Pace b. abt 1842 apparently died early 9. Isabella J. "Cisley" Pace b. 13 Jan 1849 marr. Nelson W. Rickman ***1850 listed this man as Edmund: The following year 13 Aug 1851 Henning E. Pace m. Malany Wood. all other census records give him as Henning W. Pace. It is possible this Henning was not listed with his mother in 1850, born about 1825-6 and not counted in 1850, in which case there is a child Edmund who disappeared after 1850. ****If Alexander Pace is Duncan Alexander Pace he married Tirzah Ann Banks in Washington County AR and moved to Texas. Shirley Pace Graham

Okay. I wasn't really trying to determine his birthplace; I was just using that as an example of how DNA from bones can be used to determine ancestry. THEY (the Spanish) are trying to determine his birthplace using bones as evidence. Thanks anyway for the information. It was interesting and I think I will look it up. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donebest@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:52 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property You were trying to determine the birthplace of Columbus. I thought the fact that he was fighting in the Spanish army might have some bearing. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property I haven't studied Columbus very thoroughly. It's possible. But I'm not sure what that would have to do with DNA. Also, we are now drifting off topic and I didn't intend to do that. I was only mentioning him to illustrate the use of DNA to trace ancestry. If human bones are ever found at Pace sites, it could be useful as technology improves. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donebest@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:13 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy. Somewhere I read that Columbus fought in that last battle against the Moors, when Ferdinan and Isabella and others went out, having a picnic, as they waited for the fort to fall. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property A little googling produces the result that yes, they can extract Y chromosome DNA from bones, but this DNA deteriorates more rapidly than other types and is harder to get pure samples. There is a controversy over whether Columbus was actually born in Genoa, as the books say, or whether he may have been born in northern Spain. They are trying to get Y chromosome DNA to find out, but one difficulty is making sure they have his bones and not someone else's, and secondly, the problem of deterioration. That's where I found a lot of information on how they do it. Here is the site: http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/dna-tests.htm And here is a quote: DNA from y-chromosomes is much more scarce than the mitochondrial kind and deteriorates more rapidly. The team is using Hernando's because that of his alleged father is in bad shape. Lorente and company want to see if the DNA pattern in Columbus' y-chromosome still shows up in men in either Catalonia or Italy, Here is a site that explains how it is done: http://www.dczogbi.com/dna.html Yes, it would be interesting to see some DNA from bones at that site, but I have no idea how we would get the results to transfer over and compare with out Pace DNA. There would of course be no way to tell initially if the bones were Pace bones but if there was a match with our I results, that would tell us. It's fascinating to think about but I have serious doubts whether it will transpire or how we or FTDNA could get the results. The archaeologists would need some reason of their own to extract the DNA--they wouldn't do it just to see if they are Pace bones--and I don't know what that would be. It sounds like a fairly expensive process. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fpg0663@wmconnect.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:06 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy, can they not do DNA on bones? I didn't know if they could or not. Addie</HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You were trying to determine the birthplace of Columbus. I thought the fact that he was fighting in the Spanish army might have some bearing. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property I haven't studied Columbus very thoroughly. It's possible. But I'm not sure what that would have to do with DNA. Also, we are now drifting off topic and I didn't intend to do that. I was only mentioning him to illustrate the use of DNA to trace ancestry. If human bones are ever found at Pace sites, it could be useful as technology improves. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donebest@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:13 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy. Somewhere I read that Columbus fought in that last battle against the Moors, when Ferdinan and Isabella and others went out, having a picnic, as they waited for the fort to fall. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property A little googling produces the result that yes, they can extract Y chromosome DNA from bones, but this DNA deteriorates more rapidly than other types and is harder to get pure samples. There is a controversy over whether Columbus was actually born in Genoa, as the books say, or whether he may have been born in northern Spain. They are trying to get Y chromosome DNA to find out, but one difficulty is making sure they have his bones and not someone else's, and secondly, the problem of deterioration. That's where I found a lot of information on how they do it. Here is the site: http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/dna-tests.htm And here is a quote: DNA from y-chromosomes is much more scarce than the mitochondrial kind and deteriorates more rapidly. The team is using Hernando's because that of his alleged father is in bad shape. Lorente and company want to see if the DNA pattern in Columbus' y-chromosome still shows up in men in either Catalonia or Italy, Here is a site that explains how it is done: http://www.dczogbi.com/dna.html Yes, it would be interesting to see some DNA from bones at that site, but I have no idea how we would get the results to transfer over and compare with out Pace DNA. There would of course be no way to tell initially if the bones were Pace bones but if there was a match with our I results, that would tell us. It's fascinating to think about but I have serious doubts whether it will transpire or how we or FTDNA could get the results. The archaeologists would need some reason of their own to extract the DNA--they wouldn't do it just to see if they are Pace bones--and I don't know what that would be. It sounds like a fairly expensive process. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fpg0663@wmconnect.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:06 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy, can they not do DNA on bones? I didn't know if they could or not. Addie</HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SORRY-I thought it was human bones. Addie</HTML>

I haven't studied Columbus very thoroughly. It's possible. But I'm not sure what that would have to do with DNA. Also, we are now drifting off topic and I didn't intend to do that. I was only mentioning him to illustrate the use of DNA to trace ancestry. If human bones are ever found at Pace sites, it could be useful as technology improves. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of donebest@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:13 PM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy. Somewhere I read that Columbus fought in that last battle against the Moors, when Ferdinan and Isabella and others went out, having a picnic, as they waited for the fort to fall. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property A little googling produces the result that yes, they can extract Y chromosome DNA from bones, but this DNA deteriorates more rapidly than other types and is harder to get pure samples. There is a controversy over whether Columbus was actually born in Genoa, as the books say, or whether he may have been born in northern Spain. They are trying to get Y chromosome DNA to find out, but one difficulty is making sure they have his bones and not someone else's, and secondly, the problem of deterioration. That's where I found a lot of information on how they do it. Here is the site: http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/dna-tests.htm And here is a quote: DNA from y-chromosomes is much more scarce than the mitochondrial kind and deteriorates more rapidly. The team is using Hernando's because that of his alleged father is in bad shape. Lorente and company want to see if the DNA pattern in Columbus' y-chromosome still shows up in men in either Catalonia or Italy, Here is a site that explains how it is done: http://www.dczogbi.com/dna.html Yes, it would be interesting to see some DNA from bones at that site, but I have no idea how we would get the results to transfer over and compare with out Pace DNA. There would of course be no way to tell initially if the bones were Pace bones but if there was a match with our I results, that would tell us. It's fascinating to think about but I have serious doubts whether it will transpire or how we or FTDNA could get the results. The archaeologists would need some reason of their own to extract the DNA--they wouldn't do it just to see if they are Pace bones--and I don't know what that would be. It sounds like a fairly expensive process. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fpg0663@wmconnect.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:06 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy, can they not do DNA on bones? I didn't know if they could or not. Addie</HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy. Somewhere I read that Columbus fought in that last battle against the Moors, when Ferdinan and Isabella and others went out, having a picnic, as they waited for the fort to fall. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: pace@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property A little googling produces the result that yes, they can extract Y chromosome DNA from bones, but this DNA deteriorates more rapidly than other types and is harder to get pure samples. There is a controversy over whether Columbus was actually born in Genoa, as the books say, or whether he may have been born in northern Spain. They are trying to get Y chromosome DNA to find out, but one difficulty is making sure they have his bones and not someone else's, and secondly, the problem of deterioration. That's where I found a lot of information on how they do it. Here is the site: http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/dna-tests.htm And here is a quote: DNA from y-chromosomes is much more scarce than the mitochondrial kind and deteriorates more rapidly. The team is using Hernando's because that of his alleged father is in bad shape. Lorente and company want to see if the DNA pattern in Columbus' y-chromosome still shows up in men in either Catalonia or Italy, Here is a site that explains how it is done: http://www.dczogbi.com/dna.html Yes, it would be interesting to see some DNA from bones at that site, but I have no idea how we would get the results to transfer over and compare with out Pace DNA. There would of course be no way to tell initially if the bones were Pace bones but if there was a match with our I results, that would tell us. It's fascinating to think about but I have serious doubts whether it will transpire or how we or FTDNA could get the results. The archaeologists would need some reason of their own to extract the DNA--they wouldn't do it just to see if they are Pace bones--and I don't know what that would be. It sounds like a fairly expensive process. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fpg0663@wmconnect.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:06 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy, can they not do DNA on bones? I didn't know if they could or not. Addie</HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did I miss something? The article was about DOG bones. I don't remember any mention of human bones. I certainly hope the DNA of dog bones would NOT be helpful to us. Jonathan A Pace Marietta, GA -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:53 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property I don't know a lot about that. Yes, I know that they can do DNA on bones, but I don't know if they could extract just the Y chromosome DNA that we use for genealogy. Besides, how would they know whose bones they were? I do not believe anything of value too us could be through DNA at the site. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fpg0663@wmconnect.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:06 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy, can they not do DNA on bones? I didn't know if they could or not. Addie</HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must admit I hadn't had time to read the article before I jumped in. I just assumed that Addie had read it but I guess not. These were actually ancient dog bones, not of the Jamestown era anyway. Oh, well, the education on extraction of DNA from human bones was worth it. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jon Pace Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:57 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Did I miss something? The article was about DOG bones. I don't remember any mention of human bones. I certainly hope the DNA of dog bones would NOT be helpful to us. Jonathan A Pace Marietta, GA -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:53 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property I don't know a lot about that. Yes, I know that they can do DNA on bones, but I don't know if they could extract just the Y chromosome DNA that we use for genealogy. Besides, how would they know whose bones they were? I do not believe anything of value too us could be through DNA at the site. Roy -----Original Message----- From: pace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fpg0663@wmconnect.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:06 AM To: pace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE] Archaeolgical digs at George Pace property Roy, can they not do DNA on bones? I didn't know if they could or not. Addie</HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message