Does anyone have info on this John Pace in Marion Co MS He is in HH 255 he is age 66 NC be born abt 1784NC and Wm M page age 46 in HH257 with a child named Z F Pace age 10 Zebedee Pace in Hh 263 altho Zebedee Pace on the 1880 Census says father & Mother born in MS but I really believe this John Pace age 66 NC In the 1850 Census Marion Co MS is prob father of both Zebedee and WM M Pace ... Just a Hazardess Guess as family stick close togather in same regions ...as Donnor # 13552 notes...

Gordon I had to go thru 40 pages to come up with this and will send you Seperately the actual Census as boy I barely made out her name...Zelphia Pace but way I read it is: one son 10-16 years if age could be your Joseph B Pace Jr Zelphia Pace age 45 & up years Correct me if I am wrong as this is poor Census to read seem one in Agriculture ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:45 AM Subject: [PACE-L] Joseph B. Pace of Orange Co, NC > Darrell: > I am sending a copy of this message to the Pace Mailing List in the hope of getting feedback from some of the list members. > Darrell Pace (not a list member) is searching for the ancestry of his Joseph Barker Pace b. 1804 NC, d. 1885 NC, married Elizabeth Truitt in 1833. Joseph B. Pace was on the 1850 census of Alamance Co, NC. Alamance Co. was formed from Orange Co. in 1849. I believe that this Joseph is the first son of Joseph B. Pace (Sr.) b 1762 NC and Zilpha Woodward. A Joseph B. Pace is listed as head of household on the Orange Co census from 1800 to 1840. However Zilpha is listed as head of household on the 1820 census, so the Joseph B. on the 1830 and 1840 censuses was probably Joseph B. Jr. I don't have the details for these censuses. > On the 1810 census of Orange Co, Hillsboro Twp, is Joseph B. Pace, over 45 with one son under 10, consistent with the age of Joseph B. Jr., plus two females over 45. On the 1880 census of Alamance Co, NC, Pleasant Grove, Joseph B. Jr. said that his father was born in England - but I don't believe this is true. > Joseph B. Pace, Sr. was a great grandson of John Pace of Middlesex who is believed to have married Elizabeth Newsome. They named a son Newsome Pace. A son of Joseph B. Pace (Jr), (Doc Pace)named a son Newsom. Newsom/Newsome is a very rare given name and appears several times among the descendants of John Pace of Middlesex. Joseph B. Pace (Sr) had a brother named Newsome. As far as I know these were the only Paces in Orange/Alamance Co during this time period. > Darrell, you would be an excellent test subject for the Pace DNA study. The results should establish whether or not you are descended from John Pace of Middlesex and whether or not Joseph B. Jr. was correct about his father being from England. Go to the Pace Society of America web site for details. > Gordon W. Pace > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace

Darrell: I am sending a copy of this message to the Pace Mailing List in the hope of getting feedback from some of the list members. Darrell Pace (not a list member) is searching for the ancestry of his Joseph Barker Pace b. 1804 NC, d. 1885 NC, married Elizabeth Truitt in 1833. Joseph B. Pace was on the 1850 census of Alamance Co, NC. Alamance Co. was formed from Orange Co. in 1849. I believe that this Joseph is the first son of Joseph B. Pace (Sr.) b 1762 NC and Zilpha Woodward. A Joseph B. Pace is listed as head of household on the Orange Co census from 1800 to 1840. However Zilpha is listed as head of household on the 1820 census, so the Joseph B. on the 1830 and 1840 censuses was probably Joseph B. Jr. I don't have the details for these censuses. On the 1810 census of Orange Co, Hillsboro Twp, is Joseph B. Pace, over 45 with one son under 10, consistent with the age of Joseph B. Jr., plus two females over 45. On the 1880 census of Alamance Co, NC, Pleasant Grove, Joseph B. Jr. said that his father was born in England - but I don't believe this is true. Joseph B. Pace, Sr. was a great grandson of John Pace of Middlesex who is believed to have married Elizabeth Newsome. They named a son Newsome Pace. A son of Joseph B. Pace (Jr), (Doc Pace)named a son Newsom. Newsom/Newsome is a very rare given name and appears several times among the descendants of John Pace of Middlesex. Joseph B. Pace (Sr) had a brother named Newsome. As far as I know these were the only Paces in Orange/Alamance Co during this time period. Darrell, you would be an excellent test subject for the Pace DNA study. The results should establish whether or not you are descended from John Pace of Middlesex and whether or not Joseph B. Jr. was correct about his father being from England. Go to the Pace Society of America web site for details. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

For information: Alamance Co., NC, was formed from Orange Co., NC in 1849. Perhaps the 1850 census was caught in the middle. Betty Pace

I don't know if this information will relate to the request for information on Pace census for Alamance Co. 1850 <old posting of mine> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:38:33 +0000 From: "Betty A. Pace" <bapace2@juno.com> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] PACES OF GUILFORD CO., NC In an effort to locate the parents of my Abner Pace (orphaned and apprenticed at age 16 in Guilford Co., NC in 1837), we hired a professional genealogist in Guilford Co., NC. This is what she reports for the Guilford census Paces: 1800 - JOSEPH PACE - age probably over 45, and 3 sons born between 1774 and 1784. 1810 - no PACEs in Guilford Co. NC 1815 Tax List - no PACEs shown in Guilford 1820 WILLIAM PACE, age 45+ (b.abt 1775). In this household there are 3 sons, ages 26-25 (b.1794-1804) and 2 sons ages 0-9 (b.1810-1820). Also 5 young daughters. Census is alphabetical so cannot know the neighbors. William Pace is gone by 1830. 1830 PATSY PACE - age 50-59 (perhaps wife of above William Pace). Now shows 5 young females (probably the same females as the 5 in 1820 home of William Pace) There are younger male and females in this 1830 census (younger than 4) and Patsy is probably too old to be their mother. Probably one or two of the females in the 20-29 age bracket are the mothers of these young children. 1830 DAVID PACE - age 40-49 (b.1780-1790) - one son age 5-9 (1820-1825) and 2 other sons ages 0-4 (b.1820-1825) and 3 young daughters. Neighbors are Armfields. David Pace (b.1780-1790) is gone by 1840. The children would fit for my Abner Pace (b. 1821-22) 1830 ABSALOM PACE - age 40-49 (1780-1790) - one son age 0-4 (1825-1830) and one young daughter. Neighbors also Armfields in northwest Guilford Co., namely Oak Ridge Township, adjacent to Rockingham Co. NC Absalom Pace is gone by 1840. The conclusion drawn by the Guilford genealogist was that probably William, Absalom, and David Pace were the sons of Joseph Pace household in 1800. 1840 - no Paces shown in Guilford Co., NC 1850 - ZILTHA/ZELPHA PACE - age 50 (b.1800 in Chatham Co.) living with her "idiotic" son DAVID PACE, age 16 (b.1834). This is in the Southern Div. of Guilford Co., NC. Next door to Ziltha/Zelpha Pace is Isaac Armfield (cabinet maker) and his apprentice YOUNG PACE, age 15 (b.1835). This Young Pace, plus his apparent brother Needham Pace, will take Ziltha/Zelpha Pace and her son David with them to Mecklenburg Co., NC by 1860, and she lives with Young Pace there. Betty Pace - Norfolk, VA From: "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:11:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: Joseph B. Pace of Alamance Co, NC, ca 1850 I am trying to find the ancestry of a correspondent who is a descendant of a Joseph B. Pace , born 1804 in Alamance Co, NC, per the 1850 census of NC. I believe he was a son of a Joseph B. Pace, b. 7/28/1762 in Amelia Co, VA and Zilpha Woodward, b. ?, who married 9/23/1788 in Chowan Co, NC> The earlier Joseph B. Pace was on the 1850 census of Alamance Co, NC, age 46, wife Eliza 42. Alamance County was formed from Orange County in 1849. The only Pace in the 1820 census of Orange County NC was Zelpha (Woodward) Pace, who was a widow of the earlier Joseph B. Pace. But my record is only the index which does not show the info about the children. The 1810 census of Orange Co NC shows only one Pace: Joseph B. Pace, over 45 with one son under 10 and two females over 45. This is consistent with the later Joseph B. Pace as the son of the earlier one. An unknown source says that the earlier Joseph B. Pace may have also had a son named Thompson. The earlier Joseph B. Pace is believed to be a son of William Pace and Susannah West, known descendants of John Pace of Middlesex. So, my question is, does anyone have a transcription of the Paces in the Orange Co, NC censuses for 1820, 1830 or 1840? This could do a lot to establish whether this is a new major branch of the descendants of John Pace of Middlesex. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ______________________________

I h ave the1840, 1850, 1860,1870 ,on Z. F Pace if you need it.. let me know will send you. Looks like John G Pace & wife seperated on the 1870 Cen she is in Lott's HH and I show Zebedee listed as Z. F Pace and Zebathy Pace and the Census all show born in Alabama not MS as you note on DNA sample let me know if you want the Census they have tp be opened in Tiff Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <royj@webster.edu> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [PACE-L] New DNA results > New DNA results have been posted for kit number 31372. There were no > surprises, as 31372 is the son of 13552 and of course matched perfectly. > These results are unusual in that not only do they not match with any other > Paces, but they are in Haplogroup I, the same haplogroup as John of > Middlesex Paces. However, they are not a match or even close with John of M > Paces. They have hit a dead end in their Pace research and DNA has not been > helpful as no matches were found. > > > > Roy Johnson > > DNA coordinator > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace

What it says for sure is that you are descended from or related to the John Pace who may have married Sarah Burgh. Since you have a perfect match with a proven descendent of Wm Pace-Sicely Walker, yes, that is a possibility. Examine the lineages of the Paces that you match with and I think you can figure out the possibilities. Click on the kit number to go to the lineage. The personal page for the kit number 35220 on FTDNA will give the names of those paces. I am away from my main computer and have not had time to look into this closely. Roy -----Original Message----- From: Addiefaye4@wmconnect.com [mailto:Addiefaye4@wmconnect.com] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:07 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Re: DNA of John Cullen Pace John Cullen Pace is the nephew of my Grandmother's Paces. The first 12 markers are posted and I don't understand what it means. Does it mean that Wm. Pace and Sicely Walker's Dempsey Pace may be the father of Wyche H. Pace, my GG grandfather - on PACE line of my Grandmother? Any help or explanation will be appreciated. Thanks, Addie Pace Glasgow ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for only $25.00 per year.

Possibilities: 1) An undiscovered Pace line 2) Unreported adoption or illegitimacy I can't think of any others Roy -----Original Message----- From: Betty A. Pace [mailto:bapace2@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:44 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] New DNA results Roy, As a matter of general interest, what are the possibilities here? Betty Pace "New DNA results have been posted for kit number 31372. There were no surprises, as 31372 is the son of 13552 and of course matched perfectly. These results are unusual in that not only do they not match with any other Paces, but they are in Haplogroup I, the same haplogroup as John of Middlesex Paces. However, they are not a match or even close with John of M Paces. They have hit a dead end in their Pace research and DNA has not been helpful as no matches were found. Roy Johnson DNA coordinator" ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net

I am trying to find the ancestry of a correspondent who is a descendant of a Joseph B. Pace , born 1804 in Alamance Co, NC, per the 1850 census of NC. I believe he was a son of a Joseph B. Pace, b. 7/28/1762 in Amelia Co, VA and Zilpha Woodward, b. ?, who married 9/23/1788 in Chowan Co, NC> The earlier Joseph B. Pace was on the 1850 census of Alamance Co, NC, age 46, wife Eliza 42. Alamance County was formed from Orange County in 1849. The only Pace in the 1820 census of Orange County NC was Zelpha (Woodward) Pace, who was a widow of the earlier Joseph B. Pace. But my record is only the index which does not show the info about the children. The 1810 census of Orange Co NC shows only one Pace: Joseph B. Pace, over 45 with one son under 10 and two females over 45. This is consistent with the later Joseph B. Pace as the son of the earlier one. An unknown source says that the earlier Joseph B. Pace may have also had a son named Thompson. The earlier Joseph B. Pace is believed to be a son of William Pace and Susannah West, known descendants of John Pace of Middlesex. So, my question is, does anyone have a transcription of the Paces in the Orange Co, NC censuses for 1820, 1830 or 1840? This could do a lot to establish whether this is a new major branch of the descendants of John Pace of Middlesex. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

I searched this site and found 1318 entries for Pace. You can enter a first name and search or just hit search for all Pace entries. Sarah http://www.findagrave.com/surnames/p/pace.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.8 - Release Date: 6/11/2005

Well....this is interesting news, passed along from another list and following a long discussion on that list about the meaning and validity of "Primary" and "Secondary" sources. - Joyce Harris -----Original Message----- From: Halltall@aol.com [mailto:Halltall@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:41 AM To: GENMTD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GM] Primary vs. Secondary Just back from the NGS conference with this news: The terms "Primary and secondary" are no longer used. Now we say "Direct" and "Indirect." If readers are interested I can give a few more details. Evidence, proof, sources have been redefined and fine-tuned. I would say the RootsWeb dictionary of genealogical terms isn't the best source.... Jan Hall Halltall@aol.com

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John Cullen Pace is the nephew of my Grandmother's Paces. The first 12 markers are posted and I don't understand what it means. Does it mean that Wm. Pace and Sicely Walker's Dempsey Pace may be the father of Wyche H. Pace, my GG grandfather - on PACE line of my Grandmother? Any help or explanation will be appreciated. Thanks, Addie Pace Glasgow

I believe that Joseph Arch is part of the Shropshire Paces. I was walking around the gravestones at Berkswell Church on Wednesday. There were two graves for Joseph Arch and they both were married to Mary. Off the top of my head one was dated around 1860. Would this be part of the Joseph Arch's within the Paces? Jaquie Cook ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In PSAB-150, it is stated Barnabus Pace was born bef.1747 on N.S. of the Neuse R. in Craven Co, NC which becomes Johnston Co., NC. I have read Barnabus was the son of Richard Jr. and Elizabeth Cain. I assume this is the Richard Jr listed in land records for Bertie, NC. in the 1730's. Does anyone have a land description of this Richard's land in Craven Co where Barnabus was born after the family left Bertie? Thanks, John Pace

WW1 Draft Cards - Lee County, Virginia sent to me by a cousin Clarence Stephen Pace 17 Aug 1892 Virginia;United States of America George W Pace 28 May 1882 Greely Harrison Pace 1875 James Pace 14 Jul 1888 Virginia;United States of America this one could be James Madison Pace James Floyd Pace 22 May 1888 Virginia;United States of America James Monroe Pace 26 Apr 1880 this one is mine John H Pace 22 Mar 1881 This could be mine not sure Napaleon Pace 22 Jul 1889 Virginia;United States of America Ondy Pace prob Andy 17 Apr 1892 Virginia;United States of America Darlene

Trivia in a Small world..... In researching my maternal line, ran across these folks: LODWIG LUDWIG ALFORD (James Alford, John Alford) was born 1710 St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, VA and died before March 1799 in NC. He married REBECCA FERRELL, she was born abt. 1714 VA. He married SUSANNA CADE about 1736 in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, VA. Children of L.L. Alford/Rebecca Ferrell: 1. Elizabeth Alford, b. 22 Dec. 1736 New Kent Co., VA married WILLIAM LANE, b. abt 1732 New Kent Co. VA 2. Jacob Alford, b. 12 Dec 1738 New Kent Co., VA married MARY PACE, b. abt. 1742, New Kent Co., VA 3. James Alford, b. 1741 married L. BOYKIN b. abt. 1745 Seven other children - one of which was named DRURY Alford. Child of L.L. Alford/Susanna Cade: (my line) 1. Julius Caesar Alford b. 1747 Franklin, NC married Rebecca Jackson. Won't go into all the Trivia but later PACE descendants married LANES, CADES, BOYKINS. No clue whether they are the same families, just thought interesting. Becky Mosely www.bradfordgenealogy.org

From: Judy PACE PARKS CLAYBOURNE <judy2@hot.rr.com> on 2 Jun 2005, she asks: "...my grandparents were Robert Flemming PACE and Lizzie DYKES...married in Knox County Tennessee in 1900. If any of this info is familiar, I'd love hearing from you." Can anyone help her? Jackie Ashley PACE, Houston, TX http://www.ashley-pace.com ASHLEY DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ashley/ RICHEY DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/RICHEY/

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Roy Johnson wrote: > It just occurred to me as I read you email that I have > “bragging rights” to having started the ball rolling toward the solution > to the John of Middlesex problem, since it was on the Pace Network that > you made the contact that ultimately led to that connection. > > That’s exciting! > Roy Yes, It certainly all started from that article of Janet Anderson of England, who posted in 1996 on your PACE NETWORK, a daughter of John Edward Pace of Cannock, Staffordshire, son of Edward Pace, brother of Charles VICARAGE Pace (my grandfather) who was also a brother of WILLIAM PACE who still has descendents at LANEY GREEN of Shareshill parish today. Since then, I have travelled and visited these people in England. Some have passed on since then but your entheusiasm has been very productive in bringing so much about for so many people to share in. These descendents of WILLIAM PACE live on or very near the original site where GEORGE PACE Christened 1670 PREES Shropshire, obviously (brother of JOHN PACE of Middlesex Co Virginia), settled in the 1720's. I have got back to the grandfather ROWLAND PACE and it's likely this ROWLAND or Richard originated from Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire. There are some likely spelling errors in these early parish registers but the relatively few PACE entrys in the parish registers of Shropshire of the 1600's clearly reveal where and when any PACE Christenings occured. Perhaps we can thank Henry VIII for his work in trying to keep records and tax money in England. Henry, his father and grandfather tried to establish institutes of higher learning in England. A fact he is not given much credit for. Not much later in English history is PACE descendent Katherine ROGERS, mother of John HARVARD, benefactor of the oldest institution of higher learning in the United Stated, spent her childhood years in Stratford-upon-Avon. Katherine ROGERS b 25 Nov 1584 d/o Margareta PACE + Thomas ROGERS Marriage 31 Jan 1562 Holy Trinity, Stratford http://www.phc.igs.net\~gordpace\uk\stratford.htm This is just amazing. You certainly have the rights to sing about. You have given and received so much of PACE Family history, both in the US and now in England. Family History certainly cannot get any better than this !! Gord Pace - Ontario Canada http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/