From Fluvanna County Marriages by Vogt& Kethley Craddock: William & Polley Ashlin Pace 18 Oct 1797 Minister-William Baskett-18 Dec 1797' Also Craddock, Luther & Mary P. Woodson 19 Oct. 1843 Minister-Edward Hebard Any Pace connections here? Edward Hebard is the same minister who married my grgrandparents: Mary A. Herndon & David C. Robinson in 1852 Their daughter Rebecca Ann Robinson b. 1853 in Fluvanna marr. John Walker Pace b. 1843 There was a Evalina Woodson who married a Henry Pace in Fluvanna

Lots of old VA names at these two sites: Old Virginia Obituaries, 1790-1940: http://virginiaobits.homestead.com/ and Miscellaneous Virginia Genealogy: http://vagenealogy.homestead.com/ there is a search engine on both sites.

Does any one have any info on a Jackson Pace who was born in Bedford Co VA May 10, 1815 and his parents were John Pace b 1787 in Fulvanna VA. parents Murray Pace and Mary Bragg and did John marry a Polly Groome in Albemarle Va in 1807. Or was this Murray's second wife? John died of yellow fever in Norfolk VA but can not find any record. Jackson was said to be a only child. In 1900 Census from Grant Co WI Jackson list his parents being born in England and mother in Yorkseown (Yorktown?) I have contacted Bedford Co Genealogy with no help.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/map_hp.html Darlene

For those interested in Missouri Pace family of GEORGE WILLIAM PACE Jr. - b May 14 1849 W DEAN, GLS, UK whose parents were WILLIAM PACE 1815-1879 - b BEVERSTONE nr Tetbury,GLS + MIRAH FANNIE JORDAN of West & East Dean - m 19 Oct 1843 parish of NEWLAND county of Gloucestershire wit James Thompson & Mary Smith - dau/of Joseph JORDAN d 09 Nov 1883 W DEAN 61 yrs - informat Alfred HOARE, son in law - ELLWOOD,GLS WILLIAM PACE 1815-1879 appeared to have a brother THOMAS PACE 1816-1891 who arrived HOBART Tasmania on "Cornwall" Jun 1851 and the following refers to descendents of THOMAS in Tasmania hi gord i was reading over your pace info,very impressive john shadrick/shedrack pace died 1921 not 31married johanna rumbold nee stolzenberg on 17th oct 1906 not 1907 johns first wife ellen or eleanor denehy had the following children clifton ernest pace 30/7/1883 hobart,tasmania mary cecila pace 9/4/1885 hobart eleanor victoria d pace 20/3/1888 hobart mary cecila married vivian henry nash (my wifes g grandfather) if u would like more info please let me know ------------- This family had a connection to the WEBBER family and I'm closely connected to that also. -- Gord Pace - Ontario Canada http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/gls.htm

For those wanting to contact John Pace who posted on the PACE Forum bulletin board You need to click on http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=Surnames.Pace&m=1684 to reach JOHN PACE in Europe GPace

The following appears today at: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=Surnames.Pace&m=1684 ------------- I live in Europe and in several weeks, I plan to visit the famous Maginot Line and Lorraine American Cemetery at St. Avold, France. This is the resting place of over 10,000 soldiers who gave their lives during WW II. There are 3 Pace's buried there: 1. John W. Pace, SSG US Army Air Force, Died 2 Dec 1944. He entered the service in Michigan. 2. Kenneth L. Pace, Sgt. 378th Inf. Reg. 95th Inf. Div., Died 18 Nov 1944. He entered the service in Oklahoma. 3. Marcus L. Pace, Pvt. 9 Inf. Bn. 6th Armored Div., Died 27 Mar 1945. He entered the service in Kentucky. If anyone recognizes these names, I would be proud to take photos of the graves. Does anyone know just what line of Pace's they perhaps came from ?? John Pace --------- This is a rare opportunity. GPace-Canada

Grave in Guilford Co., NC He is not my line Surname: Pace Given Names: Haywood Date: 4/17/1924 Source: Buffalo Presbyterian Church. Notes: b. Jan. 1, 1851. Betty Pace

And I have a deed in Brunswick Co Va mentioning Richard Pace years of 1724 so that Richard Pace maybe owned land in both Counties Brunswick & Prince Geoge Co VA also found this.. RUSSELL, PACE, TWITTY - I have an Ann Russell in Brunswick County VA, who married John PACE in 1769. It's curious that Ann and John named their son TWITTY. And their other son, Richard Russell PACE, names HIS son TWITTY R. (?Russell) PACE.

I have a person who is not on computer that is from the Bray Family and wants to know if we have any proof of such... Does the John Pace and Sarah Burge group (or anyone?) have any Proof that Amy Pace -m- David Bray ?.. I know many report this and so have I .. as have seen it written so many Place's that Amy Pace -m- David Bray.. I do have David Bray as Bondsman for Edmond Pace and Sarah Walker and I do know they lived just a few Doors away from our Edmond Pace ...in the 1790 Census . Darlene

It was great to see familiar and new faces at the Kansas City Reunion Some pictures have been added to http://www.pacesociety.org/ I'll add more from my notes maybe you have something to add GTPace-Ontario,Canada mailto:gtp3066@phc.igs.net

Darlene, 1850 Lawrence Co. TN census: You are correct in that Thomas Pace died about 1846. Mary was his widow. She lived until approx. 1885 (last time she paid taxes and shortly after Albert and family moved from AR to live on family land in Lawrence Co. TN) There isn't an extant marriage record in Benton Co. Courthouse for marriages before the civil war, except for a few that were in the 1860 book. The old book was destroyed or lost during the war, I understand. So, there's not a record for James Dean and Hannah Belieu except the family letter he wrote telling when/where he married her and when she died. James Dean Pace's second wife was Sina Caroline Ford. Her first husband was James Israel, and he was killed during the Civil War. William T. probably was transposed by the census taker or the transcriber of the typed version as a P. And Robert P. was not not miswritten the original census, if memory serves me from seeing the microfilm, but by the transcriber. Gale Pace Judkins, gggrandaughter of J.D. Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: some time ago some were listing James Dean Pace >I had on my list things to do was look up Census for this family to prove >up the Biography of James Dean Pace > > here is my finding to Thomas Pace of Lawrence Co Tn altho Giles Co east > side of Lawrence : > > 1850 Census does anyone know where they were? I cked 1850 Cen in all of Tn > but only one I found that could be see Lawarenco Co TN marriage below > > 1850 Census Lawrence Co Tn Dist 8 or 9 this County is next to Giles Co Tn > and Mary Pace is still on the 1868 Tax List > Mary Pace age 36 Ky maybe Thomas already Dead...or off looking for a > place to land maybe Arkansas > Jas B age 15 TN maybe Census taker thought B was said and they said D as > you notice these families all give middle initial > Christopher C age 14 TN all children born in Tn and seems James Dean > also named son Christopher per Bio > Sarah E age 10 > Sophia H age 8 > Robert R 6 > Thos J age 5 maybe named for his father Thomas > > > 1860 Cen Benton Co Ar twp War Eagle or Walnut twp > HH 114 > J. D Pace age 26 Tn > Hannah age 25 Mo > Wm B 3 Ar > Sarah 1 Ar she must have died as she does not appear on the 1870 if same > family below is family member still on here who had Dna done > > 1870 Benton Co Ar Sugar Crk twp P.O Bentonville 10 sept 1870 Is this the > same Family new wife ? > Hh 235 James D Pace age 35 Tn > Gmia C age 33 Tn > Wm P 13 Ar this initial is definitley a P but census taker prob heard P > instead of T > Isreal, Wm age 12 Ar > " , Mary F 0 Ar > " , Margaret 7 > Pace, Robt C 9 Ar right age noted in Biography How ever does not mention > Albert in that Bio or rest of Children in 1880 Census so one wonders when > bio done. > Albert S 3 Ar > > > 1880 Census Benton Co Arkansas Bright Water Twp > J. D Pace age 44 Tn > Cina C age 43 Tn > Robert age 19 Tn > Margret Isreal 16 > Albert Pace 13 AR > Franklin Pace age 10 Ar > Lily May Pace 11 Ar > > There is a Thomas Pace and Mary Hendrix applied for license Bondsman was > Herbert Hamilton in July 17 1823 > and apparently they married July 18 1823 Lawarence Co Tn Looked for > marriage in Tn for James or J D Pace none found > > this maybe the J D Pace abv marriage -m- Sept 30 1866 Benton Co Arkansas > to Lina C Ford County Court Records, Film # 1034660 - 1034662. > >

I had on my list things to do was look up Census for this family to prove up the Biography of James Dean Pace here is my finding to Thomas Pace of Lawrence Co Tn altho Giles Co east side of Lawrence : 1850 Census does anyone know where they were? I cked 1850 Cen in all of Tn but only one I found that could be see Lawarenco Co TN marriage below 1850 Census Lawrence Co Tn Dist 8 or 9 this County is next to Giles Co Tn and Mary Pace is still on the 1868 Tax List Mary Pace age 36 Ky maybe Thomas already Dead...or off looking for a place to land maybe Arkansas Jas B age 15 TN maybe Census taker thought B was said and they said D as you notice these families all give middle initial Christopher C age 14 TN all children born in Tn and seems James Dean also named son Christopher per Bio Sarah E age 10 Sophia H age 8 Robert R 6 Thos J age 5 maybe named for his father Thomas 1860 Cen Benton Co Ar twp War Eagle or Walnut twp HH 114 J. D Pace age 26 Tn Hannah age 25 Mo Wm B 3 Ar Sarah 1 Ar she must have died as she does not appear on the 1870 if same family below is family member still on here who had Dna done 1870 Benton Co Ar Sugar Crk twp P.O Bentonville 10 sept 1870 Is this the same Family new wife ? Hh 235 James D Pace age 35 Tn Gmia C age 33 Tn Wm P 13 Ar this initial is definitley a P but census taker prob heard P instead of T Isreal, Wm age 12 Ar " , Mary F 0 Ar " , Margaret 7 Pace, Robt C 9 Ar right age noted in Biography How ever does not mention Albert in that Bio or rest of Children in 1880 Census so one wonders when bio done. Albert S 3 Ar 1880 Census Benton Co Arkansas Bright Water Twp J. D Pace age 44 Tn Cina C age 43 Tn Robert age 19 Tn Margret Isreal 16 Albert Pace 13 AR Franklin Pace age 10 Ar Lily May Pace 11 Ar There is a Thomas Pace and Mary Hendrix applied for license Bondsman was Herbert Hamilton in July 17 1823 and apparently they married July 18 1823 Lawarence Co Tn Looked for marriage in Tn for James or J D Pace none found this maybe the J D Pace abv marriage -m- Sept 30 1866 Benton Co Arkansas to Lina C Ford County Court Records, Film # 1034660 - 1034662.

I have had several emails recently from folks asking questions about DNA which leads me to believe that not everyone understands the limitations of DNA evidence. Many people seem to expect that the DNA can show that they are related to a specific individual in the study or that they are descended from a specific son of Richard of North Carolina, etc. this is not likely. Here's hat DNA evidence can do: It can show that you are related to one of the three main Pace lines (group 2, 3a, or 3b) OR that you are not related to any of these lines. If you do not match any of these lines, this means that you are likely descended from an undiscovered Pace line, OR that there is an unreported adoption or illegitimacy in your family. If you fall within one of these lines, it MIGHT be possible to get a hint of closer relationship with other individuals if you share a unique mutation with these individuals. For example, check out group 3b1 on the chart. They all have the same mutation in allele 23. This might indicate a common relationship and should be investigated. However, it might be an accident especially since this is a fast moving allele. It is also important to note that the lineages displayed are the opinion of the submitters, and may contain errors as is evident in the contradictions in the lineages in group 3a. We are fortunate that we have good hard evidence in the John of Middlesex line in most cases, but the North Carolina descendents are less fortunate. There is a great shortage of hard evidence at the precise time of the move to North Carolina. We assume descent from Richard of Jamestown, but that is not proven. Ruth Keys Clark was of the opinion that there was more than one Richard Pace in Virginia who could have moved to North Carolina. It makes sense that Richard of Jamestown may have had relatives who joined him in America and we just haven't found the records. Pace research in the past has been far too prone to accept name similarities as hard evidence. We need to be wary of this. I have also been asked about the specific meanings of mutations in certain alleles. I believe some alleles do have specific significance but I have simply not had time to study this out. There is often discussion of this on the RootsWeb DNA-L list but I had to unsubscribe; I just couldn't handle the 50-70 emails a day that it was generating. Anyone interested can go to rootsweb.com and click on the DNA-L list and check the archives to see if there has been discussion of a specific allele. In summary, there are some who are expecting too much of the DNA evidence. It has done wonders for our Pace studies but it is important to be aware of its limitations. Roy Johnson DNA coordinator '

putting together some brief words at: http://www.pacesociety.org/ more to come GTPace-Canada

Orange Co formed in 1752, from Bladen, Granville, and Johnston Think this will need more investigation ... we sure should talk Darrell into DNA if he qualifies... There is a : Jos B Pace on 1800 Census Orange Co NC 1 male age 45 years & older be born abt 1755 or ealier So if he is Jos B Pace he could be from England ?? 1 male age 26-45 b- abt 1774to 1755 so is this Joseph B or is the male abv Joseph B Pace SR.? 1 female under 5 1 Female 26-45 may be wife of 2nd male born 26-45 1790 Census does not show any Pace's in Orange Co NC cked all of NC and no Joseph Pace in NC but he might be in his father HH so maybe this Joseph from England but just incase William Pace is the Joseph B Pace in Orange Co N C Theses are the William Pace's listed on the 1790 Census in NC Two William Pace's in Franklin Co NC Two William Pace's in Northampton NC One William Pace in Nash Co NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Joseph B. Pace of Orange Co, NC > Gordon I had to go thru 40 pages to come up with this and will send you > Seperately the actual Census as boy I barely made out her name...Zelphia > Pace but way I read it is: > one son 10-16 years if age could be your Joseph B Pace Jr > Zelphia Pace age 45 & up years Correct me if I am wrong as this is poor > Census to read seem one in Agriculture > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:45 AM > Subject: [PACE-L] Joseph B. Pace of Orange Co, NC > > > > Darrell: > > I am sending a copy of this message to the Pace Mailing List in the hope > of getting feedback from some of the list members. > > Darrell Pace (not a list member) is searching for the ancestry of his > Joseph Barker Pace b. 1804 NC, d. 1885 NC, married Elizabeth Truitt in 1833. > Joseph B. Pace was on the 1850 census of Alamance Co, NC. Alamance Co. was > formed from Orange Co. in 1849. I believe that this Joseph is the first son > of Joseph B. Pace (Sr.) b 1762 NC and Zilpha Woodward. A Joseph B. Pace is > listed as head of household on the Orange Co census from 1800 to 1840. > However Zilpha is listed as head of household on the 1820 census, so the > Joseph B. on the 1830 and 1840 censuses was probably Joseph B. Jr. I don't > have the details for these censuses. > > On the 1810 census of Orange Co, Hillsboro Twp, is Joseph B. Pace, over 45 > with one son under 10, consistent with the age of Joseph B. Jr., plus two > females over 45. On the 1880 census of Alamance Co, NC, Pleasant Grove, > Joseph B. Jr. said that his father was born in England - but I don't believe > this is true. > > Joseph B. Pace, Sr. was a great grandson of John Pace of Middlesex who is > believed to have married Elizabeth Newsome. They named a son Newsome Pace. > A son of Joseph B. Pace (Jr), (Doc Pace)named a son Newsom. Newsom/Newsome > is a very rare given name and appears several times among the descendants of > John Pace of Middlesex. Joseph B. Pace (Sr) had a brother named Newsome. > As far as I know these were the only Paces in Orange/Alamance Co during this > time period. > > Darrell, you would be an excellent test subject for the Pace DNA study. > The results should establish whether or not you are descended from John Pace > of Middlesex and whether or not Joseph B. Jr. was correct about his father > being from England. Go to the Pace Society of America web site for details. > > Gordon W. Pace > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > PeoplePC Online > > A better way to Internet > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com

Gordon This Census d oes not agree again with my index so I went thru 77pages out of 100 and did find your Joseph B Pace on Roll 367 Image 77 Northern Division 1840 Census Orange Co NC Northern Division this was a better census to read Thank goodness.. as one almost goes Blind reading those bad one... Joseph B Pace age 20-30 wife age 20-30 and one older female age 60-70 would say was Zelphia/Zilpha Pace 1 son under 5 1 daug under 5 Good Luck on rest Darlene Pace ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Joseph B. Pace of Orange Co, NC > Gordon I had to go thru 40 pages to come up with this and will send you > Seperately the actual Census as boy I barely made out her name...Zelphia > Pace but way I read it is: > one son 10-16 years if age could be your Joseph B Pace Jr > Zelphia Pace age 45 & up years Correct me if I am wrong as this is poor > Census to read seem one in Agriculture > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:45 AM > Subject: [PACE-L] Joseph B. Pace of Orange Co, NC > > > > Darrell: > > I am sending a copy of this message to the Pace Mailing List in the hope > of getting feedback from some of the list members. > > Darrell Pace (not a list member) is searching for the ancestry of his > Joseph Barker Pace b. 1804 NC, d. 1885 NC, married Elizabeth Truitt in 1833. > Joseph B. Pace was on the 1850 census of Alamance Co, NC. Alamance Co. was > formed from Orange Co. in 1849. I believe that this Joseph is the first son > of Joseph B. Pace (Sr.) b 1762 NC and Zilpha Woodward. A Joseph B. Pace is > listed as head of household on the Orange Co census from 1800 to 1840. > However Zilpha is listed as head of household on the 1820 census, so the > Joseph B. on the 1830 and 1840 censuses was probably Joseph B. Jr. I don't > have the details for these censuses. > > On the 1810 census of Orange Co, Hillsboro Twp, is Joseph B. Pace, over 45 > with one son under 10, consistent with the age of Joseph B. Jr., plus two > females over 45. On the 1880 census of Alamance Co, NC, Pleasant Grove, > Joseph B. Jr. said that his father was born in England - but I don't believe > this is true. > > Joseph B. Pace, Sr. was a great grandson of John Pace of Middlesex who is > believed to have married Elizabeth Newsome. They named a son Newsome Pace. > A son of Joseph B. Pace (Jr), (Doc Pace)named a son Newsom. Newsom/Newsome > is a very rare given name and appears several times among the descendants of > John Pace of Middlesex. Joseph B. Pace (Sr) had a brother named Newsome. > As far as I know these were the only Paces in Orange/Alamance Co during this > time period. > > Darrell, you would be an excellent test subject for the Pace DNA study. > The results should establish whether or not you are descended from John Pace > of Middlesex and whether or not Joseph B. Jr. was correct about his father > being from England. Go to the Pace Society of America web site for details. > > Gordon W. Pace > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > PeoplePC Online > > A better way to Internet > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com

1860 Census shows Jos B Pace age 56 wife Elizabeth age 46 with two new Male kids Haywood Pace age 11 Jesiah age 6 the three daug still in hh and Ed out on his own age 22 Ed Pace is working for someone listed as a Tabaconist HH 526Jackson Pace a Miller black shows married wife Tempy 1870 Alamance Cen Lists 5 Pace s Jos B Pace age 66 wife Elizabeth ..in Pleasant Grove too dark to read children Edward Pace age 32 wife Elizabeth with one child age 1 and Brother Doctor in his Hh age 23 Jackson Pace still listed age 33 Black wife Tempy Vivon/Vivin Pace age45 wife name Sarah a lot of children and next door is Moses Pace age 33 wife Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: [PACE-L] John Pace Marion Co MS age 66 NC > Does anyone have info on this John Pace in Marion Co MS He is in HH 255 he is age 66 NC be born abt 1784NC > and Wm M page age 46 in HH257 with a child named Z F Pace age 10 Zebedee Pace in Hh 263 altho Zebedee Pace on the 1880 Census says father & Mother born in MS but I really believe this John Pace age 66 NC In the 1850 Census Marion Co MS is prob father of both Zebedee and WM M Pace ... Just a Hazardess Guess as family stick close togather in same regions ...as Donnor # 13552 notes... > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com

New DNA results received and posted for 35220-25 marker. Roy Johnson

Darrell: Correction to previous message. Joseph B. Pace (Sr) was born 7/28/1762 in Amelia Co, VA, not NC. According to Palmer Pace he was a twin of Joel Pace, Sr., sons of William Pace and Susannah West of Middlesex and Amelia Co, VA. Apparently he was the only child of William and Susannah to go to NC. Gordon W. Pace ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com