I would suppose that the matches shown would also be significant. I had one 12/12 match with a person listing ancestry just as "African", an 111/12 to Gambia and another to Senegal, and a 10/12 match to those areas, NO matches to anywhere else. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:35 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] West African YDNA If the "African" DNA results are based on a E3a haplogroup *prediction* by FTDNA, then my suggestion is to search the Genealogy-DNA archives at rootsweb.com starting with the year 2005. While the E3a haplogroup is a common one in Africa, it also is showing up as a prediction in people that have paper trails to Europe. The introduction of the E3a haplogroup into a person's ancestry may have actually occurred in Europe in the distant past rather than assuming it had to happen in America, although that is definitely a possibility. In some cases, with further SNP DNA testing - the only way to determine a haplogroup with certainty - the prediction of E3a has been in error and the true haplogroup has been found to be something else. Also, the number of actual E3a haplogroups in the FTDNA database that have used for actual prediction purposes has been questioned in the past. (I don't know if that is still the case.) If a person has only had 12 Y-DNA markers tested and that resulted in the E3a prediction, then that could also be part of the problem. Twelve markers usually aren't enough to make an accurate haplogroup prediction. Whit Athey has a created a haplogroup predictor that is available online at: https://home.comcast.net/~whitathey/hapest/hapest.htm By inputting Y-DNA results into the predictor, the probability of the results fitting into different haplogroups can be compared. Rebecca ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net

Thanks, Rebecca. My spread on that chart was 30 for E3a and 47 for haplogroup G. Those were my two highest. Values above 50 indicate a good fit (I didn't have any), between 20 and 50 a fair fit. So according to that chart, it is far from certain. Looks like I need to do the SNP test. Roy -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:35 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] West African YDNA If the "African" DNA results are based on a E3a haplogroup *prediction* by FTDNA, then my suggestion is to search the Genealogy-DNA archives at rootsweb.com starting with the year 2005. While the E3a haplogroup is a common one in Africa, it also is showing up as a prediction in people that have paper trails to Europe. The introduction of the E3a haplogroup into a person's ancestry may have actually occurred in Europe in the distant past rather than assuming it had to happen in America, although that is definitely a possibility. In some cases, with further SNP DNA testing - the only way to determine a haplogroup with certainty - the prediction of E3a has been in error and the true haplogroup has been found to be something else. Also, the number of actual E3a haplogroups in the FTDNA database that have used for actual prediction purposes has been questioned in the past. (I don't know if that is still the case.) If a person has only had 12 Y-DNA markers tested and that resulted in the E3a prediction, then that could also be part of the problem. Twelve markers usually aren't enough to make an accurate haplogroup prediction. Whit Athey has a created a haplogroup predictor that is available online at: https://home.comcast.net/~whitathey/hapest/hapest.htm By inputting Y-DNA results into the predictor, the probability of the results fitting into different haplogroups can be compared. Rebecca ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net

Remembering that the Y-chromosome can pass virutally unchanged from father to son for many generations (hundreds or thousands of years), I don't think that you need to limit your speculations to events here in the Americas after colonization. Spain was controlled by the Moors for centuries and that was just one of the many ways that an West African Y might have spread amongst the European population. European populations have been "mixed" for a very long time. In other words, your blonde, blue-eyed Swedish ancestor might have already had the West African Y when he immigrated, and his ancestors back in Sweden may have had it for many generations. My point is that we need not presume any illicit master/slave relations nor any other emotionally charged scenario to explain an unexpected West African Y chromosome. Besides, aren't the human population geneticists using mitochrondrial evidence to conclude that we are all descended from folks who came out of Africa some 100-150,000 years ago? If this is true, then we all have African DNA, and the only question left to ask is how long ago our most recent African ancestor left there for other parts of the world. Joe Anderson

If the "African" DNA results are based on a E3a haplogroup *prediction* by FTDNA, then my suggestion is to search the Genealogy-DNA archives at rootsweb.com starting with the year 2005. While the E3a haplogroup is a common one in Africa, it also is showing up as a prediction in people that have paper trails to Europe. The introduction of the E3a haplogroup into a person's ancestry may have actually occurred in Europe in the distant past rather than assuming it had to happen in America, although that is definitely a possibility. In some cases, with further SNP DNA testing - the only way to determine a haplogroup with certainty - the prediction of E3a has been in error and the true haplogroup has been found to be something else. Also, the number of actual E3a haplogroups in the FTDNA database that have used for actual prediction purposes has been questioned in the past. (I don't know if that is still the case.) If a person has only had 12 Y-DNA markers tested and that resulted in the E3a prediction, then that could also be part of the problem. Twelve markers usually aren't enough to make an accurate haplogroup prediction. Whit Athey has a created a haplogroup predictor that is available online at: https://home.comcast.net/~whitathey/hapest/hapest.htm By inputting Y-DNA results into the predictor, the probability of the results fitting into different haplogroups can be compared. Rebecca

I finally found my poor Elvin. He died in the Philippine American war, in the Philippine Islands of Smallpox on 19-April-1901, aged 25 years, 4 months. And, I say poor Elvin because he was a young, healthy farm boy from Kentucky and he died alone, on foreign soil. He is reportedly buried at Bucay, Ahra Province, Luzon, Philipine Islands. If you had a relative in one of the wars, I would strongly encourage you to write to the National Archives (forms are online) for any war, or pension records. There is a small charge but you can get the entire file. Mine turned out to be about 25 pages. The package I received, had the pension applications filled out by his Mother and later his father, medical review records of his father (Schuyler Pace) and the records of Elvin's illnesses and death. Best of all there were the affidavits filled out by the friends and neighbours to attest that Schuyler and Sarah were known to them. I learned that they were good people, respected in their community and desperately poor. Kind of gave me a warm glow to finally break through the barriers and have some information on him. Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipients of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed.

Hi all. I know that Richard Pace may be a very common name but I also have a second cousin name Richard Pace in Kentucky although I do not recognize the deceased. Wished, we had all come from a family that like unique names! Although when I ran across Mrs. Paradise Hester the other day, I had to smile....... Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Lingwall [mailto:fox10@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: December 8, 2005 6:04 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Another Pace Obit in Tennessee Posted on WDXE Lawrenceburg, TN, radio this morning. (The Columbia mentioned is Columbia, TN, about 15 miles north of Lawrenceburg.) Sarah G.L. (Squee) Pace Posted on December 07, 2005 G.L. (Squee) Pace, age 83, of Lawrenceburg, passed away Tuesday. He was a native of Lawrence County, a type setter for Vaughn Music Company, a retired employee of the City of Lawrenceburg, a merchant marine and a member of the Nazarene Faith Church. He is survived by two sons, Richard Pace of Kentucky and James Pace of Columbia. 3 grandchildren and 1 step grandchild survives. Funeral services will be held Friday morning at 11 at Neal Funeral Home. Visitation will be from 9-11 Friday at the funeral home. Donations may be made to the Junior Auxiliary or the James D. Vaughn Museum. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 ==== PACE Mailing List ==== If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipients of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed.

Posted on WDXE Lawrenceburg, TN, radio this morning. (The Columbia mentioned is Columbia, TN, about 15 miles north of Lawrenceburg.) Sarah G.L. (Squee) Pace Posted on December 07, 2005 G.L. (Squee) Pace, age 83, of Lawrenceburg, passed away Tuesday. He was a native of Lawrence County, a type setter for Vaughn Music Company, a retired employee of the City of Lawrenceburg, a merchant marine and a member of the Nazarene Faith Church. He is survived by two sons, Richard Pace of Kentucky and James Pace of Columbia. 3 grandchildren and 1 step grandchild survives. Funeral services will be held Friday morning at 11 at Neal Funeral Home. Visitation will be from 9-11 Friday at the funeral home. Donations may be made to the Junior Auxiliary or the James D. Vaughn Museum. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005

As I have posted previously in this forum, my own DNA came out West African. I had my nephew tested for verification, and his came out the same. Because our family oral history says Johnson is Swedish, I did some research and found that there were small colonies of free blacks among the early Swedish settlers in New Jersey and Delaware. However, the closest matches to my DNA (11/12) were from the Senegal-Dahomey region, a rice growing area. Slaves from that area generally went to the Carolinas, where rice was grown (I have read that the technique of rice growing was actually learned from the Africans.) I have also read that it takes six to eight generations for the African ancestry to "wash out" so that none of the offspring will show any traces. Prior to that, even though the person may look white, a child of that person could revert back to dark skin. We always seem to think in terms of slavery, but not all blacks were slaves. The early blacks in Virginia were treated as indentured servants and released after a term of service; at least one of them became a landowner and imported white indentured servants. There was class prejudice but not yet race prejudice, and intermarriage between white and blacks of the servant class was common until, little by little, it was outlawed. There are still black families in areas of Virginia whose ancestors were never slaves. Those of us who test African may well descend from such a marriage rather than a union of a slave and a white woman. And there were a few blacks in England. My own research turned up an entry in the St. Dunstan parish registers for 1608, the year Richard and Isabella Pace were married there, this entry: "Sam and Mary, Negers". I learned later that Sam and Mary might have been married at sea and the marriage simply recorded there, but it shows that there is a lot we don't know about the human history of this time. An interesting story: The first Europeans to sail the African coast were the Portuguese. In the Congo region they found a large kingdom (twice the size of Portugal) with a king and sub-chiefs, a sort of feudal system, with well ordered roads and markets based on cowrie shell money. A few Portuguese nobles settled there and married the daughters of kings or chiefs due to their class prejudice--color was no problem but a noble didn't marry a commoner. The Portuguese set up a slave trading operation offshore on an island and offered guns for slaves. The sub chiefs began slave raiding each other to get the guns. The King tried to stop the slave trade but failed. As a result, the kingdom broke up and the roads and markets declined. In the 19th century, when the King of Belgium took over the area as his private province, some of the blacks there claimed to be Portuguese nobles. They were laughed at, the presumption being that they were just imitating whites. The probability exists that they were correct. If any of their descendents live there today, DNA could help substantiate that claim. There's a lot that we don't know about history. I taught history all my life, and I always emphasized to my students--history is NOT the past. History is what we THINK the past was like. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: JRA [mailto:janie_reb_aingeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:55 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Re: [] RE-D. N. A. ????? An interesting side-note. The baby could look completely white itself. I have a friend whose Mom has a black Dad & white Mom. Mrs. Johnson's (my friends Mom) brother & sister look as white as I do with no black features at all, Mrs. Johnson looks as black as her Dad with black features. Sincerely, Lena Atpowelljr@aol.com wrote: ROY JOHNSON & Other Cousins, This is in Answer to; D. N. A. Not being able too prove Descendent from a Specific Ancestor. I have gotten INFO from A Member of TWO of MY Caucasian Families Recently, THAT they did a D. N. A. test, Going Back to Parent B, All OK, BUT; At Ancestor B. WOAH! ??? Parent Showed WEST African_____??. NOW HOW; It is a foregone conclusion, Proven Fact that there was Cohabitation between White men & Slave women. THE Potential results,___? Here Could be that there was a Connection between a White Woman & A Slave Male__?? YEP who knows. WE come up with Two Cases of Caucasian Tracing back to WEST African D. N. A. JUST____? Suppose that there was a Connection of White Female & West African Male, Resulting in the Birth of a MULATTO Male & the Family Decided to KEEP & raise the Baby & He Marries White or a Female Mulatto & that union produces a Male I do not know how many Generations that it would take for an Off spring to come along that would not show any Trace. I know of a woman whose Grand Mother was Full blooded Cherokee, One of the Grt Grand Sons has Features, His Sisters Daughter has more than a little Native American Resemblance. The Daughter Born to Daniel's While he was gone for TWO years, C-O-U-L-D a D. N. A. Match Where My theory COULD hold water also but not BY D. N. A. past Ancestor B. CUZ A T ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, reply to sender. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word message: subscribe OR unsubscribe For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com

ROY JOHNSON & Other Cousins, This is in Answer to; D. N. A. Not being able too prove Descendent from a Specific Ancestor. I have gotten INFO from A Member of TWO of MY Caucasian Families Recently, THAT they did a D. N. A. test, Going Back to Parent B, All OK, BUT; At Ancestor B. WOAH! ??? Parent Showed WEST African_____??. NOW HOW; It is a foregone conclusion, Proven Fact that there was Cohabitation between White men & Slave women. THE Potential results,___? Here Could be that there was a Connection between a White Woman & A Slave Male__?? <QUEIN SABE> YEP who knows. WE come up with Two Cases of Caucasian Tracing back to WEST African D. N. A. JUST____? Suppose that there was a Connection of White Female & West African Male, Resulting in the Birth of a MULATTO Male & the Family Decided to KEEP & raise the Baby & He Marries White or a Female Mulatto & that union produces a Male I do not know how many Generations that it would take for an Off spring to come along that would not show any Trace. I know of a woman whose Grand Mother was Full blooded Cherokee, One of the Grt Grand Sons has Features, His Sisters Daughter has more than a little Native American Resemblance. The Daughter Born to Daniel's While he was gone for TWO years, C-O-U-L-D <be> a D. N. A. Match Where My theory COULD hold water also but not BY D. N. A. past Ancestor B. CUZ A T <atpowelljr@aol.com>

An interesting side-note. The baby could look completely white itself. I have a friend whose Mom has a black Dad & white Mom. Mrs. Johnson's (my friends Mom) brother & sister look as white as I do with no black features at all, Mrs. Johnson looks as black as her Dad with black features. Sincerely, Lena Atpowelljr@aol.com wrote: ROY JOHNSON & Other Cousins, This is in Answer to; D. N. A. Not being able too prove Descendent from a Specific Ancestor. I have gotten INFO from A Member of TWO of MY Caucasian Families Recently, THAT they did a D. N. A. test, Going Back to Parent B, All OK, BUT; At Ancestor B. WOAH! ??? Parent Showed WEST African_____??. NOW HOW; It is a foregone conclusion, Proven Fact that there was Cohabitation between White men & Slave women. THE Potential results,___? Here Could be that there was a Connection between a White Woman & A Slave Male__?? YEP who knows. WE come up with Two Cases of Caucasian Tracing back to WEST African D. N. A. JUST____? Suppose that there was a Connection of White Female & West African Male, Resulting in the Birth of a MULATTO Male & the Family Decided to KEEP & raise the Baby & He Marries White or a Female Mulatto & that union produces a Male I do not know how many Generations that it would take for an Off spring to come along that would not show any Trace. I know of a woman whose Grand Mother was Full blooded Cherokee, One of the Grt Grand Sons has Features, His Sisters Daughter has more than a little Native American Resemblance. The Daughter Born to Daniel's While he was gone for TWO years, C-O-U-L-D a D. N. A. Match Where My theory COULD hold water also but not BY D. N. A. past Ancestor B. CUZ A T ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, reply to sender. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping

Some of the inquiries about DNA are in regard to "proving" descent from a specific ancestor. DNA cannot do this. It can only point, not prove, and can be used to support written records. But actually even with impeccable written records AND dna evidence there is a chance everything could be totally wrong. I came up with an illustration. I was inspired by a Daniel Boone story. Seems Daniel had been away from home for two years. He came home and his wife was nursing a newborn baby. "Whose baby is that?" he asked. "Why, it's your brother's. We thought you was dead" answered his wife. Daniel only paused a moment" "Well, at least it's a Boone" he said, and to his great credit he raised the child (a girl) as his own and made no difference between her and his other children. Now, let's change the story a little: Assume the child was male. And assume that, to avoid scandal, the birth was recorded as Daniel's son. Assume further that he was so listed in all the census records, and that he was provided for in Daniel's will as Daniel's son. All written records agree. Now, several generations later, a descendent of that child is trying to join the prestigious Society of the Descendents of Daniel Boone (I just made that up). The written records are quite sufficient to prove that ancestry but just to be sure, the applicant sends DNA to the Boone study and-what do you know!-an exact match with the other descendents of Daniel Boone. Proof positive of descent from Daniel-all written records and DNA agree, since Daniel and his brother would (barring a mutation) have the same DNA. Absolute, positive proof-an impeccable paper trail with DNA verification. And wrong! But the DNA did not lie. All DNA could show is that the participants all had a common ancestor-not which specific common ancestor. This is why the Thomas Jefferson stories of his having a child with the slave Sally Hemings are flawed. Jefferson had no male descendents, so the DNA used for comparison was from a descendent of a male relative of Jefferson. So all the DNA proved is that Sally Hemings' child had Jefferson DNA-not WHICH Jefferson. Jefferson had a nephew who often stayed at Monticello; it could have been his child-or someone else's. Yes, it is possible that Jefferson did father the child, but it is certainly is not proven. Sally Hemings was related to-I believe a half sister of-Jefferson's wife, a child of a white master (Jefferson's wife's father, I think) and a slave. She resembled his wife, and after his wife's death it would have been quite natural for him to fall in love with her. If so, why didn't he free her from slavery? Because by Virginia law, she would have to leave the state in 30 days if he did! So it is possible to guess that the child might be Jefferson's but the DNA certainly does not prove it! We need to be sure we have all our ducks in a row before we draw genealogical conclusions. Roy Johnson

Excellent illustration - thanks for that Roy. Brenda Howorko ------------------------ Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld -----Original Message----- From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed Dec 07 20:31:32 2005 Subject: [PACE-L] Why we can never be 100% certain Some of the inquiries about DNA are in regard to "proving" descent from a specific ancestor. DNA cannot do this. It can only point, not prove, and can be used to support written records. But actually even with impeccable written records AND dna evidence there is a chance everything could be totally wrong. I came up with an illustration. I was inspired by a Daniel Boone story. Seems Daniel had been away from home for two years. He came home and his wife was nursing a newborn baby. "Whose baby is that?" he asked. "Why, it's your brother's. We thought you was dead" answered his wife. Daniel only paused a moment" "Well, at least it's a Boone" he said, and to his great credit he raised the child (a girl) as his own and made no difference between her and his other children. Now, let's change the story a little: Assume the child was male. And assume that, to avoid scandal, the birth was recorded as Daniel's son. Assume further that he was so listed in all the census records, and that he was provided for in Daniel's will as Daniel's son. All written records agree. Now, several generations later, a descendent of that child is trying to join the prestigious Society of the Descendents of Daniel Boone (I just made that up). The written records are quite sufficient to prove that ancestry but just to be sure, the applicant sends DNA to the Boone study and-what do you know!-an exact match with the other descendents of Daniel Boone. Proof positive of descent from Daniel-all written records and DNA agree, since Daniel and his brother would (barring a mutation) have the same DNA. Absolute, positive proof-an impeccable paper trail with DNA verification. And wrong! But the DNA did not lie. All DNA could show is that the participants all had a common ancestor-not which specific common ancestor. This is why the Thomas Jefferson stories of his having a child with the slave Sally Hemings are flawed. Jefferson had no male descendents, so the DNA used for comparison was from a descendent of a male relative of Jefferson. So all the DNA proved is that Sally Hemings' child had Jefferson DNA-not WHICH Jefferson. Jefferson had a nephew who often stayed at Monticello; it could have been his child-or someone else's. Yes, it is possible that Jefferson did father the child, but it is certainly is not proven. Sally Hemings was related to-I believe a half sister of-Jefferson's wife, a child of a white master (Jefferson's wife's father, I think) and a slave. She resembled his wife, and after his wife's death it would have been quite natural for him to fall in love with her. If so, why didn't he free her from slavery? Because by Virginia law, she would have to leave the state in 30 days if he did! So it is possible to guess that the child might be Jefferson's but the DNA certainly does not prove it! We need to be sure we have all our ducks in a row before we draw genealogical conclusions. Roy Johnson ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipients of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed.

If anyone is considering ordering a DNA test before the end of the year, now is the time. This announcement just came through from FTDNA: Also, if anyone has been contemplating ordering an mtdna test, this would be a good time. Mtdna cannot help you trace your Pace ancestors, but it gives an interesting take on the general area of your maternal ancestry. To review-both males and females receive mtdna, but males do not pass it on to their offspring, while females do, so a male can have mtdna tested and it will be valid for him. His children's mtdna would be derived from their mother. The announcement: ============== As Family Tree DNA gets close to the mark of 50,000 test kits sold, we would like to thank all our customers for making Family Tree DNA the leading company in the field of Genetic Genealogy. In recognition and appreciation of our Group Administrators and the Genetic Genealogy community, we are offering 3 Gift Certificates to be used by individuals that want to get tested. Two(2) Gift Certificates are for $30 and are available for participants who order a new kit for a Y DNA test for 25 or 37 markers. A $15.00 Gift Certificate is available to participants who order a new kit for an mtDNA test. To claim your Gift Certificate from Family Tree DNA, click on the links below: For a $30.00 Y DNA Gift Certificate: http://www.familytreeDNA.com/giftcertyDNA.html For a $15.00 mtDNA Gift Certificate: http://www.familytreeDNA.com/giftcertmtDNA.html Order your test kit through the appropriate Surname Project. The Gift Certificates are limited to two(2) Y DNA and one(1) mtDNA new test kits per Surname Project. Roy Johnson Project coordinator

Obituary in the Nashville Tennessean today. James Guilford "Ben" PACE Montgomery Age 98 December 4, 2005 Age 98 of Clarksville. December 4, 2005 at Gateway Medical Center. The funeral will be held at 11 a.m. Wednesday, at McReynolds-Nave and Larson Chapel, with Rev. David Comperry officiating. Burial will be in Resthaven Memorial Gardens. Visitation will be from 4-8 p.m. Tuesday and from 10 a.m. until the hour of service Wednesday, at McReynolds-Nave and Larson Chapel. He was born January 4, 1907 in Lewisburg, TN. He was preceded in death by his wife, Mary Maxine Pace. Mr. Pace was a retired piano tuner, voice teacher and member of McAdoo Cumberland Presbyterian Church. Survivors include his sisters, Lucille Stanley, Clarksville, Harriett Comperry, Hermit-age, TN; nephew, David Comperry and nieces, Elaine Wallace, Mary Ann Ross and Janet Richmond. Pallbearers will be Bradley Richmond, Rick Richmond, Mitchell Ross, Stanley Ross, Jeff White and Bill Wallace. MCREYNOLDS-NAVE & LARSON, (931) 647-3371. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005

This query about Johnsons is not Pace related but I will post it back to the list anyway as it is an interesting genealogical story. My Johnson lineage hits a brick wall with my gg grandfather Absolum Johnson, who married Permelia Jones in Madison County, KY, I don't remember the exact date, then moved to Indiana, Illinois, and finally southwest Missouri. Then it goes to James Johnson, Thomas T. Johnson, Robert Johnson, then me, Roy Johnson. None of your Johnsons click. Family rumor is that the name is Swedish but Eastern Kentucky was hardly a Swedish region, so it would probably go back to the early Swedes who settled in New Jersey and Delaware in colonial times. I did a DNA test in the Johnson study and it came back--West African! I had my nephew test as a check, and he got the same result. So maybe this is the reason for the brick wall! White families with African ancestry are probably more common than we realize, but in earlier times they wouldn't want to admit it. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Atpowelljr@aol.com [mailto:Atpowelljr@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:36 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] RE-Johnson CONNECTION Attenn Roy Johnson, Howdy CUZ, Heres how I Connect to The Pace-Johnson Families. William Johnson M. to Margaret Pace T their Son Stephen Johnson M to Susannah Pace To their Son Stephen Johnson M to Elizabeth Perry in Nelson County to Their Son George Rodney Johnson Married to Nancy Ellen Mitchell to Their Daughter Sallie Lee Johnson M. to John Wilmer To their Daughter M to Tom Josh Campbell To Their Daughter Myra Campbell M. Arthur T. Powell to ME, A. T. Powell. I would like to know Which of the Johnson's you Descend From. To help: William Johnson & Margaret Pace; William Johnson B10/8/1722 Goochland CO Henry " B 1/11/1729 Daniel " B 5/3.1739 Stephen Johnson B 2/1/1741 M Susannah Pace William B 1766 Benjamin Stephen B 1783 Amherst Co. Va. M. Elizabeth Perry William Johnson M An Black in Rockbridge Co. Louisa Johnson M William DODD Amherst Co Va Moses Alexander Johnson M. Martha J Scruggs Amherst Co. Va. George Rodney Johnson B. 1819 Died 1914 M Nancy Mitchell Children; #-1 Sallie Lee Johnson M John Wilmer #- 2 William Walker Johnson #-3 George Thomas Johnson 1854-1943 #- 4 Charles Stephen Johnson 1867 to 1924 #- 5 James Edward Johnson 1871 to 1936 #- 6 Samuel Rodney Johnson B. 1873 Lawson W. Johnson M Caroline Black I am in contact with a Descendent from this Family in Rockbridge COUNTY VA. Sophia Johnson M Cliborne Tucker Sarah W. <Sally> Johnson M James Henry Higginbotham Amherst Co Va Stephen Gordon Johnson M. Frances Ware Amherst Co. Stephen Wilkerson Johnson M Amanda Paxton #-1, Mary F. Brooks #-2 George Thomas Johnson M #-1 Nannie Sales #-2 Georgiana Sanderson Lucy Ann Johnson M James Fauver John Edward Johnson M #-1 Ida P. Davis, #-2 Naomi Mays Tucker Alice Lavina Died Young Martha Elizabeth Johnson M William Columbus Christian Stephen D Young Frank John Johnson D at 17 years Frank Johnson M # 1 Neida Tucker, #- 2 Ethel Phillips Robert H. Johnson M Sally Clark & Moved to MO. William Albert Johnson B. 10/16/1856 M. Lydia Signora Lawman 2/7/1883 Amherst Co. Va.. I am in contact with a descendent & am related to her through Another Family. Now Roy Johnson , are you connected to any of these Johnsons. Or any one else that may have an opportunity to see this Please Make contact with ME A T Powell <atpowelljr@aol.com> ==== PACE Mailing List ==== If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com

Attenn Roy Johnson, Howdy CUZ, Heres how I Connect to The Pace-Johnson Families. William Johnson M. to Margaret Pace T their Son Stephen Johnson M to Susannah Pace To their Son Stephen Johnson M to Elizabeth Perry in Nelson County to Their Son George Rodney Johnson Married to Nancy Ellen Mitchell to Their Daughter Sallie Lee Johnson M. to John Wilmer To their Daughter M to Tom Josh Campbell To Their Daughter Myra Campbell M. Arthur T. Powell to ME, A. T. Powell. I would like to know Which of the Johnson's you Descend From. To help: William Johnson & Margaret Pace; William Johnson B10/8/1722 Goochland CO Henry " B 1/11/1729 Daniel " B 5/3.1739 Stephen Johnson B 2/1/1741 M Susannah Pace William B 1766 Benjamin Stephen B 1783 Amherst Co. Va. M. Elizabeth Perry William Johnson M An Black in Rockbridge Co. Louisa Johnson M William DODD Amherst Co Va Moses Alexander Johnson M. Martha J Scruggs Amherst Co. Va. George Rodney Johnson B. 1819 Died 1914 M Nancy Mitchell Children; #-1 Sallie Lee Johnson M John Wilmer #- 2 William Walker Johnson #-3 George Thomas Johnson 1854-1943 #- 4 Charles Stephen Johnson 1867 to 1924 #- 5 James Edward Johnson 1871 to 1936 #- 6 Samuel Rodney Johnson B. 1873 Lawson W. Johnson M Caroline Black I am in contact with a Descendent from this Family in Rockbridge COUNTY VA. Sophia Johnson M Cliborne Tucker Sarah W. <Sally> Johnson M James Henry Higginbotham Amherst Co Va Stephen Gordon Johnson M. Frances Ware Amherst Co. Stephen Wilkerson Johnson M Amanda Paxton #-1, Mary F. Brooks #-2 George Thomas Johnson M #-1 Nannie Sales #-2 Georgiana Sanderson Lucy Ann Johnson M James Fauver John Edward Johnson M #-1 Ida P. Davis, #-2 Naomi Mays Tucker Alice Lavina Died Young Martha Elizabeth Johnson M William Columbus Christian Stephen D Young Frank John Johnson D at 17 years Frank Johnson M # 1 Neida Tucker, #- 2 Ethel Phillips Robert H. Johnson M Sally Clark & Moved to MO. William Albert Johnson B. 10/16/1856 M. Lydia Signora Lawman 2/7/1883 Amherst Co. Va.. I am in contact with a descendent & am related to her through Another Family. Now Roy Johnson , are you connected to any of these Johnsons. Or any one else that may have an opportunity to see this Please Make contact with ME A T Powell <atpowelljr@aol.com>

Gordon W. Pace wrote: > Roy: > It is interesting that Frederick was a rather rare given name for Paces in early America. In addition to Frederick Pace b. abt 1768, supposed son of John Pace and Sarah Burgh, there is Frederick b. 1791 SC, grandson of John Pace and Sarah Burgh through their son William. > The only other Frederick Pace I know of born before 1800 was Frederick Pace b. 1779, son of Darius Pace b. abt 1750 (NC?) and Dorothy Raines, b. abt 1760 - guess where _WALES! > I wonder how common the given name Frederick was in Wales at that time. Also, has anyone looked for Paces in Parish Registers and other genealogical information from Wales in the mid-1700's. If there were Paces there it would seem they should have left some records. > Gordon W. Pace The Church of Wales did not allow LDS people to microfilm their parish registers so we do not have easy access to Welsh records. Occasionally, Shropshire records did include some adjacent Welsh records. The following may be a clue, of Welsh influence, for what it's worth. Charles Hartley wrote 17/10/2003: [PACE-L] The 2 Thomas Nunn Paces Let's see if I can help separate the two Thomas Nunn Paces... The first Thomas Nunn Pace, son of William Ingram Pace, married Docia Williams. She died on 3 May 1841. He is identified in the following census records: In the 6th generation after John of M is found 6 Cadwalador Pace - 6 M, KY CADWALLADER is usually a Welsh surname 1 JOHN PACE of Middlesex County VA 2 JOHN PACE - b abt 1696 MIDDLESEX Co VA d 25 Nov 1734 MIDDLESEX Co + ELIZABETH MONTAGUE - b 1699 ESSEX Co VA 3 WILLIAM PACE b abt 1724 Middlesex Co.Va d abt 1799 Henry Co.Va. + SUSANNA WEST b 1726 Cellar Creek Va wed abt 1749 Amelia Va 11 children 4 LANGSTON PACE born 1770 best friend of his nephew WILLIAM INGRAM PACE + AMELIA "MILLIE" NUNN m 1796 1880 Federal Census: Kentucky Metcalfe County, Edmonton, page 171B 5 THOMAS N. PACE, Father W Male W 69 KY At Home VA, VA The second Thomas Nunn Pace, who married Mary Amanda Anderson (5 Oct 1832), is shown in the two following census records: * 6 Abner H. Pace - 10 M, KY * 6 George W. Pace - 8 M, KY * 6 Cadwalador Pace - 6 M, KY * 6 Anabella Pace - 4 F, KY * 6 Mary R. Pace - 6/12 F, KY > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> > Sent: Nov 28, 2005 5:25 PM > To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Frederick Pace of Wales and Occams Razor > > I did a study on the Pace name in Wales. Can't recall all sources but I > found that : (1) Pace is not a Welsh name; it is English. The Welsh were > Gaelic and tended to resist English things. (2) There are Paces living in > Wales but they are few in number and appear to be of pretty recent origin. > > This doesn't prove anyting one way or another, but all facts should be > brought in. > > Roy Johnson > = PACE Mailing List ==== I believe seeing the given name Cadwalador Pace, there would very likely be some Welsh influence to be found somewhere in this family. In my records, I have Cadwallader (surname) married a PACE of Blackburn, Lancashire. This Cadwallader originated from a Welsh parish adjacent to Shropshire. Some of this PACE family went to Australia. Although this PACE family was from Lancs. it was connected to Paces of Gloucestershire. I'm in touch with several descendents in Australia; hopefully, some interesting PACE movements may become known. GTPace - Canada

'Googling' "General Peter Pace" + "Italy" I found that it was in fact his Dad who came over from Italy: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2889/is_16_41/ai_n13777511 Apri1 22, 2005 General Pete Pace's life is the story of the American Dream. His father was an immigrant from Italy. Pete Pace was born in Brooklyn. He grew up in New Jersey, and he graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy. He was a rifle platoon leader in Vietnam. He commanded marines in Somalia, and he went on to command U.S. Marine forces in the Atlantic and became the head of the U.S. Southern Command. It tells you something about Pete Pace's devotion to his troops that tinder the glass on his desk at the Pentagon, he keeps a photo of Lance Corporal Guido Farinaro. He was the first marine he lost in combat in Vietnam. This is an excerpt of the article, there are several others. Sincerely, Lena Scott Aaron <rtanyon@yahoo.com> wrote: I was just reading this article on Yahoo's main page and wondering, does anybody know which PACE branch Gen. Peter PACE descends from? (sorry if this has already been discussed, and I'm forgetting) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! Merry Christmas...Ho, Ho, Ho! Go Dawgs! Sic 'Em! Woof, Woof, Woof! SEC East Champs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free

General Pace, in an interview, said either his father or grandfather was an immigrant from Italy. Sincerely, Lena Scott Aaron <rtanyon@yahoo.com> wrote: I was just reading this article on Yahoo's main page and wondering, does anybody know which PACE branch Gen. Peter PACE descends from? (sorry if this has already been discussed, and I'm forgetting) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! Merry Christmas...Ho, Ho, Ho! Go Dawgs! Sic 'Em! Woof, Woof, Woof! SEC East Champs --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals

I was just reading this article on Yahoo's main page and wondering, does anybody know which PACE branch Gen. Peter PACE descends from? (sorry if this has already been discussed, and I'm forgetting) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com