We know the names of the children of William and Drucilla Pace, or at least we know the names of the seven who were still surviving on his death in June of 1826. They are listed as legatees in the estate papers which can be found in the Pace Society database. They are (spelling as given in the document): Fredrick Pace Elizabeth Etheredge Richard Pace Susannah McCullar Burrel Pace Anny McCullar Dempsy Pace I believe that these children are listed in order of age, oldest to youngest, and the census record seems to support that theory. The main source of confusion around this family lies in the identity of the Dempsy who is listed as a legatee. Bruce Howard states that Dempsey is William’s oldest child, born in SC in 1778. This is the same Dempsey who was the early immigrant to Clarke County, arriving in 1809 some 13 years before his supposed father and siblings showed up there. This is the same Dempsey who owned 10 slaves in the 1830 census and who was born in 1775 according to the Bible record. I will refer to this Dempsey as Dempsey the elder in the discussion to follow. I do not believe that he is the son of William Pace for these reasons: 1. Age of Drucilla: If we attach any credibility to the census record (1830 Clarke, AL, and 1820 Wilkinson, GA), it looks like Drucilla was born between 1770 and 1775. Hence, Dempsey (b. 1775-1778) could not be the son of Drucilla. If he is the son of William, it would have to be by an earlier wife. (Bruce Howard says that William married Drucilla when he was about 19, but I don’t know his source). 2. Dempsey as Commissioner and Appraiser of the estate: You more experienced folk will need to help me here, but my assumption is that persons with a vested interest in the estate (heirs) would not normally be appointed to this role. My belief is that the Dempsey who appraised William’s estate was not his son, but merely a respected neighbor with some standing in the community. 3. Dempsey vs. Demcy in the estate documents: If you examine the Wm Pace estate documents closely, you will find three signatures by Dempsey Pace and two signatures by Demcy Pace. a. Estate appraisal – signed by Dempsey Pace. b. Commissioner’s division of the estate - signed by Dempsey Pace – same hand as (a). c. Receipts turned in by Wiley Ethridge, administrator - signed by Dempsey Pace – same hand as above. Wiley paid Dempsey four dollars and twelve and one-half cents. People seem to have assumed here that this was payment of part of the legacy, but I believe that William died owing Dempsey this amount and Wiley was merely settling the debts of the estate. d. Receipts turned in by Wiley Ethridge, administrator – signed by Demcy Pace (different handwriting than the above three) and by Richard Pace. Here Wiley paid Richard $86 which was a part of “his brother Dempsey legitee” (written in hand of Wiley Etheridge). Both brothers signed: Richard to acknowledge receipt of the payment and Demcy to acknowledge consent to part of his legacy being paid to Richard. e. Will of Drucilla Pace – “. . . if Demsey Pace my legal heir does stay with me and take care of my property I will all of my property to him at my death.” – signed by Demcy Pace in same hand as (d) but different from the first three. So, I see two Dempseys in William’s estate papers. The first three signatures were by Dempsey the elder, possibly a brother of William. The last two, signed "Demcy" rather then "Dempsey", were by the youngest son of William and Drucilla. I think that other researchers have erred in assuming that Dempsey the elder was the son of William. This may result from examination of the 1830 census where we find only Dempsey the elder. Both Dempseys can be found in the 1840 and in the 1850 Clarke County Census. In 1850, Dempsey the elder is 74 years old and married to Macy Yarborough. Dempsey (Demcy), the son of William and Drucilla, is 40 years old and married to Rebecca White. So where was Dempsey the son of William in 1830? He is the male aged 15-20 living in the household of Drucilla. Like a good son, he is doing just what his mother asked him to do – staying with her and taking care of her property. I will appreciate your critical comments on this theory, both pro and con. Perhaps especially con, since my interest is in arriving at the truth rather than in selling a particular idea of my own. If anyone has time, please go to the Pace Society database, examine the excellent images of the William Pace estate documents, and let me know if you see two Dempseys in there as I do. I’m not a handwriting expert, and I would value more objective opinions. [Note that I am not suggesting that we change the spelling of William’s son to Demcy. He was a young man at this time, probably only recently literate, and was spelling phonetically as most of our ancestors did at that time. When he became aware of way his wealthy uncle (?) spelled his name, he likely started writing his name as Dempsey too.] Thanks, Joe Anderson

I just found this;was posted by Betty Pace .. and Betty noted that Mc Daniel Pace was son of Bartley Pace s/o John and this certainly does not mention Zilpha Pace as Mother of McDaniel but does state forsure he was a Grandson of John Pace ... this Mc Daniel Maybe son of one of John Pace children that died ... and John Pace took him on to raise Loose paper from NC archives PACE, BARTLEY - 1859 - Wid. Zilpha [Batten] Pace dower 25-1/2 ac. (10+) I looked for 1850 Cen for John Pace <from Chuck Campbell--ccampbell4@carolina.rr.com, another researcher of this line--his ancestor was Zilpha Pace Garner, daughter of John Pace and Edney Batten. Zilpha was married to W. M. Garner.> "What I found last week when I re-visited the Register of Deeds Office at the County Courthouse in Smithfield was a Land Deed between John Pace, the grantor, and Zilpha Garner, the grantee. This record can be found in Deed Book 'O', page 33. The first part of it (the part that caused my heart to go pitter-patter!) reads as follows: "This indenture made the 25th of July 1871 between John Pace of Johnston County and State of North Carolina of the first part and Zilpha Garner wife of Wm H Garner [sic] of the above written County and State. Witnesseth that the said John Pace for and in consideration of natural love and affection to him in hand paid by his daughter Zilpha Garner [that's the exciting part!!] the receipt is hereby acknowledged hath granted bargained and given and by these presents doth grant bargain give the said Zilpha Garner and her heirs a certain tract of land in Johnston County adjoining the lands of Jas H Batten and others on the south side of little creek [sic]." The remainder of the document is typical "deed-speak" with a description of the property given in metes and bounds terminology, etc. On the next page (page 34) of the same book is another Deed with John Pace as the Grantor and McDanel [sic] Pace as the Grantee. "McDanel" is cited in the document as "his grandson McDanel Pace", referring to John Pace. Chuck" ----- Original Message ----- From: "darlene" <darlene@adweb.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: McDaniel Pace s/o Zilphia Pace ?of Johnston Co NC..Where is Betty Pace > On Gen Connect it report a Zilpha Pace -m- 3 AUG 1870 in Johnston County, > North Carolina Henry Garner > > Where is Betty Pace ?.... she did a lot of research on those Johnston Co NC > Pace's > > I did look up the 1870 Cen in Johnston Co NC and it shows a Mc Daniel Pace > age 15 years be born abt 1855 in hh of John Pace age 72 altho that Census > does not note what relationship is ...altho McDaniel is in that hh... There > is also a child Frances E female age 7 years all born in NC > > Cked 1860 Cen Johnston Co NC pine level P.O Aug 9th > HH 618 John Pace age 62 NC > Edney age 60 NC She is too old to have son Mc Daniel so Looks like Zilpha > maybe his mother > Zilpha age 21 > Rilda age 16 > Mc Daniel age 3 > HH 619 Larry Pace 26 > HH620 another Zilphia Pace with three other children in Hh David John > Bettie and Merit This I believe is Zilphia Hall -m- Alsey Pace in Johnston > Co NC > > > 1880 Census Place: Selma, Johnston, North Carolina ........... So this is > another Zilpha so is she a sister of John Pace abv and is she the one having > children out of wedlock or the 21 year old Zilpha abv who might h ave > married Henry Garner...???? > Source: FHL Film 1254969 National Archives Film T9-0969 Page 561B > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > Zilpha PACE Self F W W 47 NC > Occ: Keeping House Fa: NC Mo: NC > Merit PACE Son M S W 25 NC > Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: NC > A lot of questions here ....who's Male Blood run thru Mc Daniel Nee unknown > adopted the Pace Name ..or maybe Zilpha union was from a Pace many things > happened then as now ... also maybe McDaniel was named for his father last > name that a thought .....does anyone have the Will or probate of that John > Pace abv might say who McDaniel Pace is s/o I know on my John Pace in Ky > the probate listed all Grandchildren as Heirs of his children that had > died... > Darlene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:26 AM > Subject: [PACE-L] McDaniel Pace > > > > Yes, in that case I agree. > > > > Also, is there any doubt about McDaniel Pace's parentage? Elsewhere > > in the forums he is said to be Zilpha's nephew rather than her > > son. Zilpha is said to have married a Garner, though of course that > > doesn't rule out her being also mother of McDaniel. > > > > If there's any uncertainty, perhaps DNA could come up with an answer. > > > > Also, I notice Zilpha is said to have had a brother Bartley. That > > name occurs also in my Pace line (Richard, Silas, Silas). Since it > > seems there is doubt about the origin of John Pace (McDaniel Pace's > > grandfather), is it possible he could have been from the Richard line > > rather than the John of Middlesex line? A given name's not much of a > > clue I know. > > > > Ellen > > > > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > > Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: > www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for only > $25.00 per year. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1343 (20051228) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > >

I believe that Ida's line goes back to Stephen Pace (son of John & Sarah Burge Pace). A researcher of this line believes that this John Pace (m. Edney Batten in Johnston Co, NC) is another of the illegitimate sons of Stephen Pace. Would a DNA test show that the line is from John & SarahBurge Pace? As opposed to John of Middlesex? By the way, that Zilpha Pace (dtr of John Pace & Edney) married a Garner or Gardner. Betty Pace Date:Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:42:24 -0500 (EST) From:"Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> To:PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject:RE: [PACE-L] Funding needed In regard to the ancestry of Ida Pace Saunders, it appears that her earliest known Pace ancestor was a John Pace who married Edney Batten in Joseph Co, NC in 1821. I have not been able to find who this John Pace was a son of, so the ancestry appears to be undetermined prior to John. But since there was a subsequent illlegitimacy, a DNA test would not be appropriate. GordonW. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >Sent: Dec 26, 2005 10:10 PM >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Funding needed > >Please ignore my request for funding. I didn't notice that although the >man's name is Pace, there is an illegitimate birth in his background and >a female breakingthe line. Darlene has been so kind as to point this >out to me. > >Thanks for the offers. > >Roy > >

We have $155 pledged toward funding this line, as we have discussed, so we can go with a 12 marker and keep the rest back in case it appears worthwhile to upgrade, unless others want to chip in. Before I set it up, I want to be sure she has secured the consent of her brother to donate. She seems to be a good researcher herself and has turned up some info that could be useful. Here is her latest email: Dear Roy, Thanks so much for response and advice. Yes, I have done some tracing for McDonald's Family. A fairly well off family of the period and found his marriage and census info. also. I do have some tracing of Zilpha's father because he is who had always been thought to be McDaniel's father until I found John Pace's will in Johnston Co. Courthouse and McD is noted as " my grandson "and Zilphia as John's daughter. I am near sure John's birth was similar because he suddenly appeared as John Pace when he and Eddie BATTEN Pace were marrying in 1821. The bondsman for the marriage was who John had been apprenticed to as a very young boy-----Levi Yelvington. It seems that Mr. Yelvington had some type of school for I have found several children as his apprentices. Any leads for how I can determine this about 1799?? Thanks much for all leads. As i do not have a home computer I come to Chesapeake Public Library as I can and just read your note as library has had some holidays. Also I only have a cell phone and not a land line== This is a definite family challenge and I hope will supply some answers for many PACE Folks. Whatever is to be learned I want to be passed along and shared. Thanks to All. Please let me know what else I need to do. LOve, Ida Paulette PACE Saunders Roy Johnson

On Gen Connect it report a Zilpha Pace -m- 3 AUG 1870 in Johnston County, North Carolina Henry Garner Where is Betty Pace ?.... she did a lot of research on those Johnston Co NC Pace's I did look up the 1870 Cen in Johnston Co NC and it shows a Mc Daniel Pace age 15 years be born abt 1855 in hh of John Pace age 72 altho that Census does not note what relationship is ...altho McDaniel is in that hh... There is also a child Frances E female age 7 years all born in NC Cked 1860 Cen Johnston Co NC pine level P.O Aug 9th HH 618 John Pace age 62 NC Edney age 60 NC She is too old to have son Mc Daniel so Looks like Zilpha maybe his mother Zilpha age 21 Rilda age 16 Mc Daniel age 3 HH 619 Larry Pace 26 HH620 another Zilphia Pace with three other children in Hh David John Bettie and Merit This I believe is Zilphia Hall -m- Alsey Pace in Johnston Co NC 1880 Census Place: Selma, Johnston, North Carolina ........... So this is another Zilpha so is she a sister of John Pace abv and is she the one having children out of wedlock or the 21 year old Zilpha abv who might h ave married Henry Garner...???? Source: FHL Film 1254969 National Archives Film T9-0969 Page 561B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Zilpha PACE Self F W W 47 NC Occ: Keeping House Fa: NC Mo: NC Merit PACE Son M S W 25 NC Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: NC A lot of questions here ....who's Male Blood run thru Mc Daniel Nee unknown adopted the Pace Name ..or maybe Zilpha union was from a Pace many things happened then as now ... also maybe McDaniel was named for his father last name that a thought .....does anyone have the Will or probate of that John Pace abv might say who McDaniel Pace is s/o I know on my John Pace in Ky the probate listed all Grandchildren as Heirs of his children that had died... Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: [PACE-L] McDaniel Pace > Yes, in that case I agree. > > Also, is there any doubt about McDaniel Pace's parentage? Elsewhere > in the forums he is said to be Zilpha's nephew rather than her > son. Zilpha is said to have married a Garner, though of course that > doesn't rule out her being also mother of McDaniel. > > If there's any uncertainty, perhaps DNA could come up with an answer. > > Also, I notice Zilpha is said to have had a brother Bartley. That > name occurs also in my Pace line (Richard, Silas, Silas). Since it > seems there is doubt about the origin of John Pace (McDaniel Pace's > grandfather), is it possible he could have been from the Richard line > rather than the John of Middlesex line? A given name's not much of a > clue I know. > > Ellen > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for only $25.00 per year. > > __________ NOD32 1.1343 (20051228) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

I agree with Rebecca Christensen who wrote that this Pace line still deserves investigation. Mira Pace Nelson Rebecca wrote: This is still a Pace line - it is just that the Pace male line begins with McDaniel Pace born 1855. It is just a "young" Pace line of 150 years. Testing this line can be informative for any person who may be a descendant of McDaniel Pace or Zilpha Pace. The test results may also help verify the father's name as the results should match DNA results of the reported father's line. As the proposed participant is the last of this line and has not had good health in the past, it would be prudent to have the line tested sooner rather than later which may be too late.

I am not familiar with this line, but a quick check of the 1900 census for McDaniel Pace in Johnston County, North Carolina shows that he had other sons besides Lenoard Pace(b. Nov. 1879). Leonard Pace appears to be living in the household adjacent to his father McDaniel Pace. The image on HeritageQuest is dark where the household is enumerated, but McDaniel and Harriett (Wall) Pace had at least 3 other sons as well - Oscar, William, and Lester. So, the DNA results would apply to all of these other Pace lines as well. (There are Wall and Creech families on this page as well.) Yes, the results of this line should also be included in the surname project of the reported father, but they are also Pace line results. FTDNA participants/results can currently be part of 2 surname projects and likely able to be part of additional surname projects in the near future. Participants can also join regional projects and haplogroup projects - you are not limited to just one surname project. Rebecca genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net wrote: As I understood the initial message in this thread, the anxiety over getting the DNA test done is because Leonard Theodore Pace, the gentleman to be tested, is the only grandson of Leonard Pace b. 1879. If that is correct (and assuming Leonard Pace had no brothers), then the gentleman to be tested is also the only surviving male-line descendant of McDaniel Pace. There may be other present-day male-line descendants of McDaniel Pace's father, but their surname won't be Pace. I am mentioning this because it seems likely to be disappointing and frustrating for the family concerned if they hope to get a match through comparing the gentleman's Y-DNA with that of the contributors to the Pace study. If the surname of McDaniel Pace's father is known, there may be a DNA study for persons of that surname, and that would have a bigger chance of producing results for them. Ellen ==== PACE Mailing List ==== You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask me - gordonpace@comcast.net

In regard to the ancestry of Ida Pace Saunders, it appears that her earliest known Pace ancestor was a John Pace who married Edney Batten in Joseph Co, NC in 1821. I have not been able to find who this John Pace was a son of, so the ancestry appears to be undetermined prior to John. But since there was a subsequent illlegitimacy, a DNA test would not be appropriate. GordonW. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> >Sent: Dec 26, 2005 10:10 PM >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Funding needed > >Please ignore my request for funding. I didn't notice that although the >man's name is Pace, there is an illegitimate birth in his background and >a female breakingthe line. Darlene has been so kind as to point this >out to me. > >Thanks for the offers. > >Roy > > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word message: subscribe OR unsubscribe >For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

This is also my line. I have proof back to John R. Pace and Emily Taylor, but no "PROOF" past that. There is a website though that has this line connected back to John of Middlesex. I've never been able to get any proof from the person who owns this site though. In face I've never gotten an email back from this person at all. Here is the website if anyone is interested in what they have. _http://www.imagesverite.com/genealogy/pace_pg_3.htm_ (http://www.imagesverite.com/genealogy/pace_pg_3.htm) PLEASE NOTE: I AM NOT purporting that anything on this site is true or not true. Jim Hughes I received a DNA application from a person of the following line. Does anyone have info on this line further back? Donor .(Father) 1. Luke Frances Pace, B: 18 may 1890, Centertown Cole Co., Mo. D: 19 May 1965 , Fort Supply , Woodward Co. Ok. (Mother) + Romania May Brown, B: 30 Apr. 1911, Texhoma, TX., D: 2 Feb.1990, Yakima, Yakima Co, Wa (Grandfather) 2. Joseph Griffin Pace, B: Nov 1832, IL. D: abt 1868 (buried in Murray Cem. , Cole Co., Mo) (Grandmother) + Sarah Catherine Byrd, B: Oct 1832 , Mo. , Married: abt 1872 (buried in Murray Cem. , Cole Co., Mo) (Great-Grandfather) 3. John Pace, B: 18 Apr 1791, D: Camden Co, Va. (Great-Grandmother) + Emily Taylor, B: 28 Jan 1803 , D: 17 sep 1876, Moniteau Co. Mo.

I received a DNA application from a person of the following line. Does anyone have info on this line further back? Donor .(Father) 1. Luke Frances Pace, B: 18 may 1890, Centertown Cole Co., Mo. D: 19 May 1965 , Fort Supply , Woodward Co. Ok. (Mother) + Romania May Brown, B: 30 Apr. 1911, Texhoma, TX., D: 2 Feb.1990, Yakima, Yakima Co, Wa (Grandfather) 2. Joseph Griffin Pace, B: Nov 1832, IL. D: abt 1868 (buried in Murray Cem. , Cole Co., Mo) (Grandmother) + Sarah Catherine Byrd, B: Oct 1832 , Mo. , Married: abt 1872 (buried in Murray Cem. , Cole Co., Mo) (Great-Grandfather) 3. John Pace, B: 18 Apr 1791, D: Camden Co, Va. (Great-Grandmother) + Emily Taylor, B: 28 Jan 1803 , D: 17 sep 1876, Moniteau Co. Mo.

Sorry forgot to include site for the Pace's Ferry blurb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_ferries_of_the_Atlanta_area#Pace.27s_Ferry Pace's Ferry & Mill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace's_Ferry The name Paces Ferry derives from a flat-boat ferry service that Hardy Pace, a settler who came to the area from North Carolina, established in the early 1800s near where Peachtree Creek empties into the Chattahoochee. Pace, born in 1785, also ran a post office near what is now Vinings. He died in 1864 and is buried in the Vinings Cemetery. http://www.buckhead.net/tuxedopark/ Picture of bridge that replaced Hardy's ferry. http://www.preserveatlanta.com/pacesferry.htm Because of the Chattahoochee River, some of the earliest businesses in Atlanta were ferries and mills. The road named after Hardy Pace's ferry--Paces Ferry--winds its way in front of the governor's mansion and other prestigious addresses in the upscale Buckhead section of Atlanta. The site of James Power's ferry, and the road named after it (Powers Ferry), is now the location of numerous office parks and apartment complexes. Some of these ferry services survived well into the 20th century. Antebellum gristmills and sawmills also left behind traces through such names as Moores Mill Road and Howell Mill Road. http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/atlanta/antebellum.htm TOO INTERESTING: http://www.vinings.org/walkthrough.htm 4. The Pace House- During the summer of 1864, July 5 to July 17, Federal Commander William T. Sherman moved into Vinings where he and his troops planned their campaign to siege Atlanta. Vinings became headquarters for the Federal army. It served as a railroad, supply depot, ammunition dump, and hospital site. General O. Howard occupied the Pace House. On July 5, the Federal troops crossed the Chattahoochee River and met with great resistance. The wounded were brought to the Pace home which became a Federal hospital. So many arrived that they were treated in tents surrounding the house. One Captain George Pepper described “the horrors of the hospital, the floors and tables covered with blood.” Vinings continued to be a center for the Union Forces until the fall of Atlanta in September 1864. After the war, the Pace children returned to find their seventeen-room antebellum home burned to the ground. Two devoted slaves, Fannie and Albert, stayed and helped the family get settled in a small slave cabin left standing in the yard. The current Pace House was built using doors, windows, and remnants from the slave cabins on the premises. The stone steps, which remain, are all that is left of the original home. 12. Vinings Mountain (Mt. Wilkinson)- Officially, it is listed as Mt. Wilkenson, but to most, it is known as Vinings Mountain. It was from Vinings Mountain, in 1864, that General Sherman got his first look at the church spires of Atlanta. The mountain was a signal point throughout the battle of Atlanta; semaphore flags and torches were used. On the top of the mountain is the private family cemetery for the Pace and Robinson families. Hardy Pace was buried here after his death on December 6, 1864. Until the mid 1980s, the road leading to the top of the mountain was open so anyone could drive up to enjoy the view. Several historic plaques marked the significances of the mountain. However, the site was closed to the public having been abused by revelers who left behind litter and refuse. The plaques were removed after being damaged by vandals. Today, the best view of Atlanta is to be found from the top of the parking deck of the Overlook III office building, just below Vinings Mountain. 14. The Old Bridge at Paces Ferry- Approximately one mile down Paces Ferry Road from the heart of historic Vinings is the Chattahoochee River crossing where Hardy Pace operated his ferry business in the early 1830s. Pace had moved to this area from North Carolina, by way of Putnam County, Georgia. By 1839, he had acquired a vast land holding in and around the Vinings area. One story suggests that he owned 10,000 acres from Buckhead to Smyrna. It is fact that his name is now attached to one of Northwest Atlanta’s most famous streets…address of the Governor’s Mansion and other homes of distinction. The site of the ferry is thought to be about fifty feet upstream from the old bridge, which was built in 1904. The one-way iron truss wooden-planked bridge functioned until it was replaced for vehicular traffic in the early 1970s. The old bridge was preserved for pedestrians. This location was also significant in Civil War times, as both Confederate and Union forces on their way to Atlanta, crossed the river on pontoon bridges at this point. Walk across the bridge to the Atlanta side of the river to see the historic marker in the Lovett School drive. GOT carried away... this is too interesting! Another site says Hardy Pace owned much of Buckhead and as far west as Vinings. 10,000 acres of Atlanta real estate! Becky Mosely

Yes, Paces Ferry Rd. still exist: Pace's Ferry belonged to Hardy Pace, one of Atlanta's founders. Paces Ferry Road is one of Atlanta's most well-known streets, and is the address for the Georgia Governer's Mansion as well as many of Atlanta's other wealthy and well-to-do in the Buckhead area. East Paces Ferry Road runs as far east as Dunwoody, passing along the southeastern edge of Lenox Square Mall. West Paces Ferry Road runs as far west as Vinings (formerly Paces), just across the Chattahoochee River. Paces Mill Road is a small spur route off of the much busier Paces Ferry Road there. The east/west division is at Roswell Road in Buckhead (Atlanta). There was also a Battle of Paces Ferry during the Atlanta Campaign of the American Civil War. PACE ACADEMY, ATLANTA http://www.paceacademy.org/who/history/ Becky Mosely

Betty, Paces Ferry Road still exists in Atlanta today. It is on the north side and runs east and west, I believe. Jane Shelton

Bruce Howard, in the preface to his book, says that the complete history of an individual family line “should be left to those who descend from that particular line.” I descend from William Pace (d. Clarke Co, AL, 1826) by way of his daughter Elizabeth who married Wiley Etheridge, and I have been working on this line using information that can be found on the internet along with my knowledge of the area and of its inhabitants which is based on my youth in Clarke county where my family’s roots go back to William Pace’s arrival there in 1822. I bought Mr. Howard’s book in the hope that it would allow me to connect my William Pace back to one of the better known Pace lines, which is exactly what he purports to do in his book. However, the more I examine the evidence that is available to me, the more convinced I am that Bruce has it wrong. To understand the initial reasons for my skepticism, go to the last paragraph on p. 227 where Bruce concludes that William died in late August or early September of 1826. He arrives at this conclusion by noting that his corn had been harvested but his cotton and potatoes had not. He incorporates several false assumptions in his reasoning here, one of which is that corn was harvested in July. This is true today with our modern early hybrids, but it was probably not true with the much later landraces that William would have been growing in 1826. If you next turn to the William Pace estate records, which Mr. Howard provides starting on p. 462, you will see that Wiley Ethridge was appointed administrator of the estate on 10 July 1826 and the estate appraisal was conducted on 21 July. Bruce could have saved himself the exercise in logical deduction if he had just looked at the date on the top of the page while he was contemplating William’s cotton and potatoes. The definitive month of William’s death can be found in the Minutes of the Ulcanush Baptist Church where the entry for June 1826 states “No meeting because of death of William Pace.” But that is a rather trivial difference of only a month or two and it does not alter the outlines of the broader story, even though it does make one examine other speculative conclusions by the author with a more critical eye. The larger flaw that I have noted in Mr. Howard’s tale is when he states that Dempsey Pace (b. 1778, the early immigrant to Clarke County) is the son of William Pace (d. 1826). William did have a son named Dempsey, but he was born in 1810 rather than 35 years earlier (more on that in another post). The elder Dempsey probably was the brother of John Pace (d. 1820, Clarke Co) and perhaps the brother of my William (I’m not sure about that). I think that Ball’s history of Clarke Co (1879) and Aunt Patsy Pace had it right and Bruce Howard has it wrong. Hmmm . . . , maybe there was something to that old story about Frederick Pace of Wales after all. Joe Anderson

For descendants of Hardy Pace of DeKalb Co. GA I am reading a novel (historical) about the Atlanta area of GA and it makes reference to the area outside Alanta in the 1940s to the present. This area may be inside Atlanta today. It appears to be written by an Atlanta native and there is a reference to the ferry that Hardy Pace ran on a road named Paces Ferry Road. I don't know if that road still exists. Not much information is given on Hardy Pace himself. Betty Pace

Roy, I agree with Rebecca that this line should be tested. Jane Shelton

Roy, I think it would be a good test to do. Shirley Pace Graham

Thanks, Rebecca. That is the conclusion I reached. It would not help this person realize the objective of learning which original Pace line he belongs to, which is why I withdrew the request, but there are other benefits. I have the funding offered. I will set it up. This will take some time due to two factors. The first is that this lady does not have a computer and gets her email at the public library, and I think she doesn't check it often. I have her mailing address but phone is apparently unlisted. I will write and ask for her phone numter. The second is my currently limited computer acdess. I am away from my main computer helping my wife take care ofher mother. We are up often ad night to take care of her needs. I usually can squeeze in some time every couple orthree days to do my computer work. The dial-up connection from this rural area is fairly good. We'll get this wolling. Roy -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:55 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Funding needed This is still a Pace line - it is just that the Pace male line begins with McDaniel Pace born 1855. It is just a "young" Pace line of 150 years. Testing this line can be informative for any person who may be a descendant of McDaniel Pace or Zilpha Pace. The test results may also help verify the father's name as the results should match DNA results of the reported father's line. As the proposed participant is the last of this line and has not had good health in the past, it would be prudent to have the line tested sooner rather than later which may be too late. If the funding is not available for DNA testing, another option is DNA testing through the Sorensen Foundation (SMGF) http://smgf.org/ which is free - but there is a long wait for the test results as it is not a commercial company. The results are not sent to the participant but become part of the database which is now searchable by surname. Also, there is currently a coupon available for participants in the SMGF database for testing at Relative Genetics for a reduced price for 26 markers. FTDNA also has a discounted price on tests through the end of December. Just some other alternatives. Rebecca Darlene <darlene@adweb.net> wrote: Roy this line below is broken by daug Zilpha Pace unless you are going to only be working with MC Daniel Pace b- in 1855 and I don't know if this works or not as female in here .... Ida Sanders wrote: My ggrandfather MCDaniel Pace was born Jo. Co. NC in 1855 and married Harriette WAll Pace in Jo. Co. NC in 1879. (Zilpha Pace) is > McDaniel Pace's mother without marriage. ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out!

I withdrew the request for funding on this one as it goes back to a female, but I am wondering if is might not be a good idea to get this DNA as it might answer some of our questions about the non-matching Paces. There may be others who go back to this line and do not know it. I am seeking advice. Roy The line in question: My brother is Leonard Theodore Pace of Harkers Island, NC(near MOrehead City and Atlantic Beach). My address is Ida Paulette PACE Saunders 2856 Flag Rd. Chesapeake, VA 23323 My brother was born 7 August 1951 in Watts Hospital Durham, NC His first heart bypass was done in Raleigh in 1990. His second heart bypass was done in New Bern, NC in 2004. HE has been married 2x and his present wife is Sallie Pace and there have been no children of either marriage. My father was Elton Barden Pace b. 15 DEc. 1921 in Nash Co. d. 19 April 1998 in Durham, NC at Veterans Hospital wife Pauline Velna STARLING Pace b. 31 May 1921 in Wayne Co. NC My grandfather was Leonard Pace b. Johnston Co. NC in 1879 in Jo. Co., NC d. 1927 in Nash Co., NC. wife Nettie Celeste DEANS Pace b. Nash Co. NC d. 1941 in Durham, NC My ggrandfather MCDaniel Pace was born Jo. Co. NC in 1855 and married Harriette WAll Pace in Jo. Co. NC in 1879. He was acknowledged in his grandfather's will in Jo. CO. NC I just located the will this year. John's Daughter was also in census and the will. She (Zilpha Pace) is McDaniel Pace's mother without marriage. I have the father's name also but will include that with family history to Valerie. Zilpha's father and McDaniel Pace's grandfather was John Pace b. 1799 to either Stephen Pace or Stephen Pace's daughter without marriage. John Pace married Edney BATTEN Pace in Jo. CO. NC in 1821 and their children were born over period of 20 plus years and Zilpha was next to last as best I have found. When I learned these things this year it meant that an extra generation had been located because it had always been thought that John Pace b. @ 1799 was McDaniel Pace father. It appears this connects us to John Pace of Middlesex, VA and then to Richard of Jamestown. I have been on the land owned by Richard and Isabella Pace of Jamestown(James City County) later in Surry Co. VA I have located their son's iheritance of this land and the statement of the Grant to Richard and Isabella. I have pictures of the monument to Pace and his Indian companion's contribution to the saving of Jamestown by getting word across the James River and notifying as many of the settlers as could be and saving as many lives as possible during the massacre of 1623. This I am writing without my paper work so my upstairs memory bank may be a little off but is the best I can do at the library today. I will try to donate $25.00 because I would like very much to add this family line and history to be of what benefit it can to PACE History. Thank you for your help and response. Ida PACE Saunders

Please ignore my request for funding. I didn't notice that although the man's name is Pace, there is an illegitimate birth in his background and a female breakingthe line. Darlene has been so kind as to point this out to me. Thanks for the offers. Roy