Well the "corrupted" part is funny! Yes, a good site. Turns out my name Brenda, which was Norse for "sword", was appropriate to Pace which was also Norse. How cool is that! Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 -----Original Message----- From: genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net [mailto:genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net] Sent: January 18, 2006 8:56 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Surname distribution site A useful site has come online at http://www.spatial-literacy.org/uclnames/. You can put in a surname and get a map that shows the distribution of that surname in the UK in 1881 or 1998. The surnames are also classified into categories. See the website for explanation of categories. "Pace" is classified as English / Name of Person / Male Personal Name / Corrupted "Pacey" is classified as English / Norman / Norman / Norman Ellen ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipients of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed.

Funding is complete for the Theodore Pace application, as discussed in previous emails. The FTDNA fund is working out fine; we have a small surplus to be applied the next time there is a need. Roy Johnson DNA coordinator

Searching Civil War Records and found this one - not in my line - but may help someone! Name: Pace, Brandon State: Kentucky Regiment: 9th KY Inf Company: G Death: 14 May 1863 Place: Murfreesboro Grave #: M-4904 Source: http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.htm You can search by name, click on the regiment/infantry info and see history of how the troops were organized, what counties its members were raised from, what battles they participated in, and read the history of the battles, etc and find where some fatalities were buried. You can probably tell I'm new to all this - very interesting history. I believe I found where David Foster Pace served the 6th Regiment, Kentucky Mounted Infantry. It was organized at Cave City, KY in November, 1861 and included in Cofer's 1st Kentucky Infantry Battalion. Its members were raised in the counties of Nelson, Spencer, Hardin, Franklin, Barren (bingo!), Green, Allen, Anderson, Bullitt, and Simpson. It became part of the Orphan Brigade or Louisville Legion. This regiment lost 108 killed and wounded at Shiloh, sustained 18 casualties at Baton Rouge, then was active at Vicksburg. During the war it was assigned to General Hanson's, Helm's, and J. H. Lewis' Brigade. It fought with distinction at Murfreesboro and Chickamauga, then saw action in the Atlanta Campaign. In the fall of 1864, the unit was mounted, and aided in the defense of Savannah and the campaign of the Carolinas. It lost seventeen percent of the 269 engaged at Murfreesboro and 220 saw action ! at Chickamauga. The unit totalled 263 men and 221 arms in December, 1863. The 6th surrendered with the Army of Tennessee on April 26, 1865. The field officers were Colonels Martin H Cofer and Joseph H. Lewis, Lieutenant Colonel William L. Clarke, and Majors Thomas H. Hays and Goerge W. Maxson. Janie H. Pace Fort Worth, TX

Betty, Do you know how one might get access to the periodical "Colonial Williamsburg" with the article on Paces Paines if we are not a subscriber? Jane Shelton

at http://www.sos.state.ga.us/archives/vault/images/cmf0441.jpg there is a Cobb County map that has Paces Ferry shown (right side of image). I think this was 1869 Sarah -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006

This link is to an original document of 1850 for a mill dam across the Chattahoochee River for Hardy Pace. http://www.sos.state.ga.us/archives/Vault/ArcVirtualVault/timePeriod.aspx (listed under Western Expanion then First Doc... An Act...) The above Georgia Archives site should be of interest to some Pace researchers.

FYI from another List...(finally the federal land patent records site is back up now--quite a valuable research tool which was greatly missed for most of last year). - Joyce H. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Bocik [mailto:bocikt@saic.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:33 PM To: GENMTD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GM] Comments Requested About the Official Federal Land Patent Records Site My name is Todd Bocik. I am the SAIC Project Manager for the development of the scanning and indexing applications as well as the development of the Official Federal Land Patent Records web site. The Bureau of Land Management has maintained the Official Federal Land Patent Records site (www.glorecords.blm.gov) since 1998. The website was down for months, but was made publicly accessible on December 23. Since then, thousands of people have visited the site. With the renewed interest in the website, I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you who have used this website and ask a favor. During the websites history, we have modified the look and feel twice. The first version had very little searching capabilities and few options for you to get the images of the patents. The second version (the one you currently see) has many more searching capabilities geared towards genealogists and those searching for title information. Plus, more image viewing capabilities. The current version has been in place for about 4 years now and we want to make sure that we are not missing any capabilities that you would like to see. We would like you to provide us with features, enhancements or aesthetic changes that would make this site better. There are a few things that we can not change: 1. We can not get data on the site any faster. 2. We can not do different types of documents at this time. The BLM staff are diligently trying to get all the serial records on the website. 3. We can not do additional states. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/Visitors/StateTime.asp shows the 5 million state patents and land patents that are, or will be, on the website. The General Land Office has very few patents from Texas and the original 13 colonies. 4. We can not do Full Text searches of these documents. The BLM staff are not transcribing the entire documents, but indexing key fields. If you feel uncomfortable posting in this news group and would like to send me an email, please send it to bocikt@saic.com. Also, if there are any other newsgroups or websites I should post this message on, please let me know. Thanks again for your support of the website. I will review the postings with the BLM Project Manager. Based on the budget and current technology, we will get as many new features into the next version as possible. Todd Bocik "Todd Bocik" <bocikt@saic.com>

We have a new John of M descendent who has tried to email those who matched, but emailaddresses bounced. Apparently some of the email addresses are incorrect on FTDNA. Here are the bounced addresses. If you recognize any of them or if it is yours, please make the necessary correction on FTDNA and email the sender of the email below. If you can't make the change on FTDNA please email me and I will do it. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Janie H. Pace [mailto:jhpacerd@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:27 PM To: Roy Johnson Subject: Re: DNA results Thank you! Tried to e-mail those posted and 4 addresses bounced back. PACEDL@attbi.com frpace@aol.com Pace@albemarle.org lindapace@sstelco.com NBAZ1944@msn.com - here is Bill and nancy's in az new e-mail address Can we get new addresses? Thanks Janie

Gale: Did you send a copy of your message directly to Vicki? She is not on the Pace Mail List so you need to contact her directly. You might also mention that James Dean Pace's biography was published by the Benton County Historical Society and the family member that submitted it believed James to be descended from Richard Pace of Jamestown. This is consistent with the results of the Pace DNA Study which shows an exact match of the DNA of a descendant of Thomas Pace and Mary Hendrix with four of the test results of descendants of John Pace and Sarah (Burgh). Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: gjudkins@bellsouth.net >Sent: Jan 5, 2006 3:19 PM >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACE-L] Pace/Decker, etc. > >Hi Vicki, > >You and I corresponded a few years ago. Do you still have the info I sent >you that Thomas Pace and Mary Hendrix Pace were Robert Richmond's parents? >They lived in Lawrence Co. TN. > >When I read your email that was first posted to this list, I actually >thought you were looking for more info on the parents of Rose >Pace.........is that correct? I didn't know about her until you mentioned >it when we corresponded. I think she's a great clue to the rest of this >family, but I've never been able to find out anything about her other than >her name. > >Your Robert Richmond was a younger brother to my James Dean Pace; both lived >in Benton Co. AR for awhile and that's where R.R. met Susannah Sagely and >married her. I guess she'd moved there with her family. His first wife and >the mother of his two oldest sons was Harriet Taylor from Gibson Co. TN. >She died before 1880. > >Cordially, > >Gale Pace Judkins > > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a message describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend from them. Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if possible. Send the message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Hi Vicki, You and I corresponded a few years ago. Do you still have the info I sent you that Thomas Pace and Mary Hendrix Pace were Robert Richmond's parents? They lived in Lawrence Co. TN. When I read your email that was first posted to this list, I actually thought you were looking for more info on the parents of Rose Pace.........is that correct? I didn't know about her until you mentioned it when we corresponded. I think she's a great clue to the rest of this family, but I've never been able to find out anything about her other than her name. Your Robert Richmond was a younger brother to my James Dean Pace; both lived in Benton Co. AR for awhile and that's where R.R. met Susannah Sagely and married her. I guess she'd moved there with her family. His first wife and the mother of his two oldest sons was Harriet Taylor from Gibson Co. TN. She died before 1880. Cordially, Gale Pace Judkins

Gordon, Vicki did not get your PACE-L posting but she now will via this e-mail. Thank you for responding to Vicki Quinlan JAQMEQ@msn.com query posted on PACE-L by Bettie A Pace of VA. I recently responded with my info at the end of this posting, but I noted that my reply was not posted to Pace-L because of something embedded in my e-mail as an attachment thus Rootsweb blocked my posting. Betty received the info and sent it on to Vicki. Betty thanked me for the info. I cc'd Vickie with this e-mail, so she will receive your more detailed posting of the 1900 Census on Richmond R. Pace. Maybe someone else can help Vicki with her line. I went to PACE-L ARCHIVES Jan 2006 to discover my earlier posting failed. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PACE/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon W. Pace" <gordonwpace@peoplepc.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Fw: Pace Family (Sumner Decker) Vicki: Your Robert Richmond Pace is apparently on the 1900 census of Polk Co, AR, Ozark Township, shown as Richmond R. Pace b. 3/1845 in TN, father b. TN, mother b. KY, wife Susana b. 9/1850 OH, father b. OH, mother b. TN. It shows they were married 33 years, had 3 children, only one of whom were still living. In the same area is a Nellie V. Pace b. 12/1866 MO, parents b. IL and MO - don't know if she is related. It is likely that Richmond met wife Susanna in Ohio, since she was born there. I couldn't determine which Thomas Pace in TN could be Richmond's father - there are several possibilities. > Gordon W. Pace Can anyone help this lady? She does not say where or when in her > message. posted by Bettie A. Pace > Subject: Pace Family > My name is Vicki Quinlan. I see on the Genealogy.com that you search the > Pace Family. I have tried to search the Pace, but I'm not having very > much luck. My Grandfather Garmen C. Decker married Rose Pace Dunn Barton > Decker. Rose and Garmen both have the same Grandmother named Sussannah > (Sagely) m: Robert Richmond Pace. > I don't know Rose's parents name, but Garmen's parents name was Edward > Sumner Decker and Georgia Elizabeth (lizzie) (Miller). Lizzie died July > 2, 1898 in Grannis Wickes Arkansas with Garmen was born. > I believe R. Richmond Pace parents were Thomas and Mary Pace. Richmond > Pace also was married before Sussannah. Her name was Harriet. > I would greatly appreciate any help on the Pace/Decker family > Thank you, > Vicki > JAQMEQ@msn.com EARLIER POSTING BY LARRY PACE Hope this helps Vicki get started on the Pace side- Richmond Pace 1900 Census Ozark, Polk Co., Arkansas, pg 2 of 63 on Ancestry.com Richmond R. Pace, b. Mar 1843, 57, b. TN; father b. TN; mother b. KY Susana, wife, b. Sept 1850, 49, married 33 years, 3 children born, 1 living http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ashley42&id=I27745 GENERATION 1 Robert Richmond Pace Birth: 1844 in Lawrence Co, TN Death: BEF 1930 in LeFlore Co, OK Marriage 1 Harriet Taylor b: ABT 1846 in (estimate JP) Married: in Gibson Co, TN Father: Thomas Pace b: 1811 Mother: Mary Hendrix b: ABT 1815 in (estimate JP) Generation 2 Thomas Pace, Birth: 1811 Death: 1846 in Lawrence Co, TN Event: Informant JUL 1997 JUDKINS, Gale PACE (Family Forum) Marriage 1 Mary Hendrix b: ABT 1815 in (estimate JP) Children James Dean Pace b: 1835 in Lawrence Co, TN Christopher C. Pace b: 1836 in Lawrence Co, TN Sarah Elizabeth Pace b: 1839 in Lawrence Co, TN Sophronia H. Pace b: 1842 in Lawrence Co, TN Robert Richmond Pace b: 1844 in Lawrence Co, TN Thomas J. Pace b: 1845 in Lawrence Co, TN Generation 3 William Pace b: ABT 1775 in prob NC Sarah "1\2 Choctaw" Frazier b: ABT 1785 in (estimate JP) ALIA: William /PASE/ Death: BEF 1826 in Maury Co, TN Married: ABT 1803 in MS Children Alpha Reana Pace b: 1804 Uk(f) Pace b: BET 1804 AND 1810 Rachel? Pace b: 1809 Thomas Pace b: 1811 John Jackson Pace b: 1815 Dempsy? Pace b: 1818 William R. Pace b: 1824 Source of undocumented tree is Jackie Ashley Pace's posting on ancestry.com with the following notation: Please notify me if you use my data. Treat this as a trail to follow, not fact! Jackie Ashley Pace should be on PACE-L to copy this use of her material. Larry Pace pace.membership@pacesociety.org LPace1943@comcast.net

Vicki: Your Robert Richmond Pace is apparently on the 1900 census of Polk Co, AR, Ozark Township, shown as Richmond R. Pace b. 3/1845 in TN, father b. TN, mother b. KY, wife Susana b. 9/1850 OH, father b. OH, mother b. TN. It shows they were married 33 years, had 3 children, only one of whom were still living. In the same area is a Nellie V. Pace b. 12/1866 MO, parents b. IL and MO - don't know if she is related. It is likely that Richmond met wife Susanna in Ohio, since she was born there. I couldn't determine which Thomas Pace in TN could be Richmond's father - there are several possibilities. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: GTP <gtp3066@phc.igs.net> >Sent: Jan 4, 2006 2:05 PM >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Fw: Pace Family (Sumner Decker) > >Betty A. Pace wrote: > >>Can anyone help this lady? She does not say where or when in her >>message. >>Betty Pace >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: "Vicki Quinlan" <JAQMEQ@MSN.COM> >>To: <bapace2@juno.com> >>Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:03:55 -0800 >>Subject: Pace Family >> >>Subject: Pace Family >> >>Hello Betty, >>My name is Vicki Quinlan. I see on the Genealogy.com that you search the >>Pace Family. I have tried to search the Pace, but I'm not having very >>much luck. My Grandfather Garmen C. Decker married Rose Pace Dunn Barton >>Decker. Rose and Garmen both have the same Grandmother named Sussannah >>(Sagely) m: Robert Richmond Pace. >>I don't know Rose's parents name, but Garmen's parents name was Edward >>Sumner Decker and Georgia Elizabeth (lizzie) (Miller). Lizzie died July >>2, 1898 in Grannis Wickes Arkansas with Garmen was born. >>I believe R. Richmond Pace parents were Thomas and Mary Pace. Richmond >>Pace also was married before Sussannah. Her name was Harriet. >>I would greatly appreciate any help on the Pace/Decker family >>Thank you, >>Vicki >>JAQMEQ@msn.com >> >>==== PACE Mailing List ==== >> >some facts that may help >from Pace families of Midlands England >that may have emmigrated > >In Shropshire >PACE SUMNER DUCKER (could be Decker) are closely related. > >Look at: >http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/whit.htm > >PACE-TURNER >earlier origins of Wellington & Wrockwardine, Shropshire > >descendency include > >MARY PACE b 27 Feb 1814 TILSTOCK (s of Whitchurch, Shropshire) >+ WILLIAM SUMNER - m 21 Nov 1842 WHITCHURCH > >large descendency > >PACE-DUCKERS - Market Drayton, Shropshire >see: file:http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/mkt.htm > >Charles DUCKERS >Spouse: Elizabeth PACE >Marriage: 18 Feb 1830 Market Drayton > >This family did not show up in any local Shropshire PR's afterwards so I >suspect they may have emmigrated. > >GTPace Ontario Canada > > > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Betty A. Pace wrote: >Can anyone help this lady? She does not say where or when in her >message. >Betty Pace > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Vicki Quinlan" <JAQMEQ@MSN.COM> >To: <bapace2@juno.com> >Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:03:55 -0800 >Subject: Pace Family > >Subject: Pace Family > >Hello Betty, >My name is Vicki Quinlan. I see on the Genealogy.com that you search the >Pace Family. I have tried to search the Pace, but I'm not having very >much luck. My Grandfather Garmen C. Decker married Rose Pace Dunn Barton >Decker. Rose and Garmen both have the same Grandmother named Sussannah >(Sagely) m: Robert Richmond Pace. >I don't know Rose's parents name, but Garmen's parents name was Edward >Sumner Decker and Georgia Elizabeth (lizzie) (Miller). Lizzie died July >2, 1898 in Grannis Wickes Arkansas with Garmen was born. >I believe R. Richmond Pace parents were Thomas and Mary Pace. Richmond >Pace also was married before Sussannah. Her name was Harriet. >I would greatly appreciate any help on the Pace/Decker family >Thank you, >Vicki >JAQMEQ@msn.com > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== > some facts that may help from Pace families of Midlands England that may have emmigrated In Shropshire PACE SUMNER DUCKER (could be Decker) are closely related. Look at: http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/whit.htm PACE-TURNER earlier origins of Wellington & Wrockwardine, Shropshire descendency include MARY PACE b 27 Feb 1814 TILSTOCK (s of Whitchurch, Shropshire) + WILLIAM SUMNER - m 21 Nov 1842 WHITCHURCH large descendency PACE-DUCKERS - Market Drayton, Shropshire see: file:http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/mkt.htm Charles DUCKERS Spouse: Elizabeth PACE Marriage: 18 Feb 1830 Market Drayton This family did not show up in any local Shropshire PR's afterwards so I suspect they may have emmigrated. GTPace Ontario Canada

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Can anyone help this lady? She does not say where or when in her message. Betty Pace ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Vicki Quinlan" <JAQMEQ@MSN.COM> To: <bapace2@juno.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:03:55 -0800 Subject: Pace Family Subject: Pace Family Hello Betty, My name is Vicki Quinlan. I see on the Genealogy.com that you search the Pace Family. I have tried to search the Pace, but I'm not having very much luck. My Grandfather Garmen C. Decker married Rose Pace Dunn Barton Decker. Rose and Garmen both have the same Grandmother named Sussannah (Sagely) m: Robert Richmond Pace. I don't know Rose's parents name, but Garmen's parents name was Edward Sumner Decker and Georgia Elizabeth (lizzie) (Miller). Lizzie died July 2, 1898 in Grannis Wickes Arkansas with Garmen was born. I believe R. Richmond Pace parents were Thomas and Mary Pace. Richmond Pace also was married before Sussannah. Her name was Harriet. I would greatly appreciate any help on the Pace/Decker family Thank you, Vicki JAQMEQ@msn.com

Carolyn Parkman, if you read this would you please contact me Re. Pace/Strickland research. I have misplaced your email address. Jane Strickland Shelton, a Pace descendant of Amy Pace m. Solomon Strickland _uga1mom@aol.com_ (mailto:uga1mom@aol.com)

The debate on this is documented on the Pace Network. Goto: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/poythres.htm Roy Johnson Webmaster, Pace Network -----Original Message----- From: genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net [mailto:genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:27 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Poythress Did I overstate the case when I said that I don't think we know the name of Richard's wife? Is the Poythress theory still alive? Does anyone on this list argue that Rebecca Poythress was Richard's wife? I would be very interested to hear the reasoning, provided it is based on the primary sources. I have never been able to grasp why people thought Poythress might have been the wife, so would be glad to have it explained. Ellen At 21:26 01/01/2006 -0500, Gordon W. Pace wrote: >Barbara: >I don't know if you have this info, but I have that Thomas William >Pace was son of John Pace b. abt 1775 m. Sarah, John was a son of >Silas Pace, Sr. b. 1726 NC m. Mary Newsome, and Silas was a son of >Richard Pace and Elizabeth Cain. Richard was a son of Richard Pace >and Rebecca Poythress (surname not proven). >Gordon W. Pace >-----Original Message----- > >From: barbara baker <obbaker@ktc.com> > >Sent: Dec 31, 2005 5:30 PM > >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [PACE-L] another John Pace ?? > > > >Sorry about my "tracking" the wrong line and ending up with the wrong son, > >etc. You are correct. > > > >Thanks for the names of John Pace's children. I only had the one, Thomas > >William Pace. > > > >For Thomas William Pace I have b. 1812 in Abbeville, S.C. and d. > 1866 in TX. > >m UNK Drucilla, b 1816 in S.C. > >Had 10 children born between 1835 and 1864 (have years if anyone is > >interested), but again this Pace family continued to stay with some of the > >same names which help us as we research, and also hinder us keeping the > >generations apart. <grin> > >Children: John Davis, William T., Silas M., Haywood D., Calvin D., Cain, > >Ohel Dahl, Thomas, Major, and Ewel Ulie P. > > > >I go no farther on this line and no true documentation on any. If needed by > >anyone I could possibly get documentation on the death of Thomas William > >Pace in Texas, as most of the Paces stayed within the same Piney woods area > >of NE Texas. And as his death date is only a couple of years > after his last > >child was born there is a big possibility that some of his children stayed > >in the same general area. I have pictures of some of the Pace > headstones in > >NE Texas, and may make another trip up that direction during > Spring Break or > >next summer. (employed by school) > > > >Feel free to make any corrections that you see, as I am always glad to > >locate any misinformation, or information that makes me dig deeper to prove > >mine. > > > >I had not heard that the wife of Richard born about 1665 might not > have been > >married to a Poythress, and would be glad to hear more about this. > > > >I still stay with the Richard and Isabella Smythe being the correct couple, > >but no real proof yet. Not in hand. Do know they were the first Pace > >people to come to Jamestowne. At least all documentation that I have seen > >shows that. Wish I knew which ship they came across on. > > > >Thanks, Barbara > > > > > > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== > >Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse > Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark > this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com > > > > >________________________________________ >PeoplePC Online >A better way to Internet >http://www.peoplepc.com > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >You can search archived messages from the Pace Mailing List by going >to http://searches.rootsweb.com. If you need instructions just ask >me - gordonpace@comcast.net ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com

Hi Darlene, Thank you but I would rather not be sent images as it triggers anti-spam warnings and all hell ensues. Also when an issue is being discussed on the list it's a lot easier for everyone to follow the discussion if everything goes to the list. I don't understand the point you are making. I don't think there's any doubt who owned the land referred to in the transaction of 1721. The 1000 acres was originally patented in 1692 by Mrs Rebecca Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress. By 1721, 500 acres belonged to Littleberry Epes, 200 acres belonged to Burrell Green, and the other 300 acres belonged to Rebecca Poythress, daughter of Francis Poythress (dec'd) and his wife Rebecca. That's two Rebeccas. The other Rebecca mentioned on the page you sent is the daughter of John Poythress. Are you suggesting that that Rebecca might have been the wife of Richard Pace? Is there any reason to think so? Ellen At 10:54 02/01/2006 -0800, you wrote: >Here are several Rebecca Poythress any of which could have owned >that Land you speak of I can send more if you like >Darlene > > >

There is an interesting page on Roy Johnson's Pace Network site about the Poythress issue: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/poythres.htm The page includes a comment from Bruce Howard, who says that Rebecca Poythress was "still a single woman living in Prince George Co., VA when Richard and Rebecca Pace were residing in North Carolina." He also says that the Richard Pace who had land dealings with Francis Poythress was the son of James Pace. Ellen

Thanks for quoting the transaction in full. It's an interesting record, isn't it? The language is a little unusual: "...the said Richard Pace and Francis Poythress doth hereby acknowledge they themselves to be therewith fully satisfied contented and paid and thereof doth aquire release and discharge the said Thomas Goodwynne..." I am just guessing, but to me it sounds as if perhaps there was a mortgage on the land, held jointly by Richard Pace and Francis Poythress, and the £400 discharges the mortgage. It doesn't sound like a straightforward sale, does it? Ellen At 13:04 02/01/2006 -0500, Mr John Pace wrote: >I believe this Poythress controversy has been >going on for some time. Consider also the >following land record between Frances Poythress >and Richard Pace which I believe shows a joint >ownership between them. While other transactions >on this day show a business relationship, some >could consider this transaction to show a possible closer relationship... >John Pace > > >This Indenture made this eleventh Day of >November in the year of our Lord God One >thousand seven hundred and eighteen. Between >Richard Pace and Francis Poythress of the County >of Prince George of the one part and Thomas >Goodwynne of the County of Surry of the other >part, Witnesseth that the said Richard Pace and >Francis Poythress for divers good causes and >considerations then thereunto moving, but more >especially for and in consideration of the sum >of One hundred pounds Sterl: to them in hand >paid by the said Thomas Goodwynne at and before >the ensealing and delivery of these presents the >rect whereof the said Richard Pace and Francis >Poythress doth hereby acknowledge they >themselves to be therewith fully satisfied >contented and paid and thereof doth aquire >release and discharge the said Thomas Goodwynne >his Ex Hath given granted bargained sold >remised, released, and for ever quitted claim, >and by these presents the said Richard Pace and >Francis Poythress doth for themselves ! their >heirs Exrs and Admts forever give grant bargain >sell remise release and for ever quit claim > >unto the said Thomas Goodwynne and to his heirs >forever to all that seat tract parcell or >dividend of Land situate lying and being in the >Pssh of Westopher in the County of Prince George >contain by estimation four hundred acres of >Land, be it more or less and bounded Viz: >beginning at the Path on the Old Town run, where >it crosses the same, leading from Old Michael >Rossers plantation to Edward Goodriches >plantation, and running thence Westwardly as the >path leads along the said Rossers corn field >fence to the upper end of the same and from >thence west nineteen degrees north along a line >of marked trees to a corner oak in the head of a >bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark >trees to the runn between Richard Paces >plantation where he now lives, and the >plantation whereon John Whitmore more lately >lived, and so down that runn to the Path at the >beginning, together with Tw! o hundred acres of >Land at the head of the said Richard Paces >dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree >and running east fifty chaines to a red oake, >thence No. One hundred and sixty chains to the line dividing > >this land from lands which did belong to Mr. >Cha. Anderson Decsd: thence West fifty chains, >thence So. One hundred and sixty chains to the beginning. > >To have and to hold the said lands and premises >hereby granted unto the said Thomas Goodwynne >and to his heirs forever, together with all >houses Orchards, Gardens, Woods, underwoods, >wayes, Pastures etc. and all other the >apputenances thereon or thereunto belonging or >in any wise appurtaining, so that neither the >said Richard Pace nor Francis Poythress nor >their heirs nor any other person or persons >whatever claiming or to claim by from or under >them or either of them shall not at any time >hereafter have any right title interest claims >or demand of in or too the sd. Lands and >premises, but that the same with every ! part >and parcell thereof shall be and forever >hereafter enure to the only sole proper use of >and behoof of him the said Thomas Goodwynne and >to his heirs forever. In Witness whereof we have >hereunto set our hands and affixed our seals the >day and year first above written. > >Peter Wynne Richd: Pace (sealed with red wax) > >John (B) Bonner Ff. Poythress (sealed with red wax) > >Thomas Poythress > >Recorded Dec. 9, 1718 > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: <genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net> >To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:09 AM >Subject: RE: [PACE-L] Poythress > > >>Hi Joyce. Thanks for the reply. >> >>I don't understand how that record could be >>interpreted to mean Richard was married to >>Rebecca Poythress. Sounds to me as if Francis >>Poythress owned a tract of land which included >>the plantations of Richard Pace, Joseph Carter, >>Edward Crosland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael >>Rosser, Sr., and in 1718 Richard Pace bought >>the title to the land. He lived on the land >>before he bought it, but so apparently did all >>these other chaps, and there seems to be no >>suggestion that they were living there because >>they were related to Francis Poythress by >>marriage. (Is there? I could not find anything to indicate it.) >> >>A fuller version of that entry reads as follows: >> >>"Prince George Wills and Deeds, p. 269, November 11, 1718 >>Frances Poythress, the Elder, of Westover >>Parish, Prince George County, to Richard Pace >>of the same, "for divers good causes and >>considerations him there unto wavering but more >>especially for and in consideration of the >>value of One hundred pounds Sterling to him in >>hand paid by the said Richard Pace" for the >>land "Whereon the said Richard Pace now liveth, >>the plantation whereon Joseph Carter, Edward >>Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, & Michael Rosser >>Senr. Liveth...being about four hundred acres >>bounded on the lands of the said Francis >>Poythress according to several Lines of Marked >>Trees lately made between the said Francis and the said Richard." >>Wit: Peter Wynne, John (B) Bonner, Thomas Poythress ff. Poythress >> >>This seems to make it clear that the basis for >>the deal was cash paid on the nail. >> >>On the same day we have: >> >>"Nov. 11, 1718 Francis Poythress of Westover >>Parish, Pr. Geo. Co. to Thomas Goodwyn of Surry >>Co., 100 acres in Westover Parish, Pr. Geo. >>next to Peter Grammer, and lands lately >>purchased of Richard Pace by said Francis Poythress >>F. Poythress >>Wit: >>Peter Wynne >>John (JB) Bonner >>Thomas Poythress " >> >>and >> >>"Nov. 11, 1718 Richard Pace and Francis >>Poythress of Pr. Geo. Co. to Thomas Goodwyn of >>Surry Co. for £ 100, 400 acres in Westopher >>Par. bounded by Ol Town Run, path from old >>Michael Rosser's plantation, Edward Goodrich's, >>Richard Pace's, place where John Whittmore >>lately lived together with 200 acres of land at >>head of Richard Pace's dividend, next to Mr. Charles Anderson, dec'd, >>F. Poythress >>Richard Pace >>Wit: >>Peter Wynne >>John (JB) Bonner >>Thomas Poythress " >> >>To me these records just show that Francis >>Poythress, Richard Pace, Thomas Goodwyn and >>John Bonner were all conducting land >>transactions between one another, for money not >>for love, and they all went to court on 11 November 1718 to get it sorted. >> >>The deed of 1721, in which Rebecca is referred >>to as Rebecca Poythress (not Rebecca Pace), >>seems to me to show that Rebecca Poythress was >>not married to Richard Pace, else she would >>have been referred to as Rebecca Pace, not >>Rebecca Poythress. The land in question was >>apparently given by Mrs Rebecca Pothress to her >>two daughters, Ann and Rebecca. Ann is >>referred to by her married name, as Ann Green; >>if Rebecca had been married in 1721, she would >>no doubt have been also referred to by her >>married name. Since she is named as Poythress >>still, the conclusion (it seems to me) must be that she was unmarried. >> >>"Deed 15 November 1721, from Burrell Green and >>Ann, his wife, and Francis Poythress all of >>Surry County, conveying a tract of land in >>Prince George County to Robert Hunnicut >>patented by Rebecca Poythress (being in all >>1000 A.) on 29 April 1692, half of which land >>is in the possession of Littleberry Eppes, 300 >>acres of said land was given to Rebecca >>Poythress a daughter of said Rebecca, and 200 A. to the said Ann Green." >> >>What do you think? >> >>Ellen >> >> >> >> >>==== PACE Mailing List ==== >>Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you >>can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, >>Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you >can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, >Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com >