Upgrade has been ordered for this kit, and request sent to apply funding. We have enough. I almost forgot to tell Antony about this. I think that would be a good idea. Roy

I spent three summers in Richmond above London and have visited London about ten more times on my student trips. The Thames at low tide looks like a creek to this Missouri guy accustomed to the Mississippi and Missouri rivers. Well, maybe not a creek, but a small river. Not hard at all to cross in a small boat. At high tide is more like the Mississippi at St. Louis. I have done a lot of reading on London and the Thames. In Richard's time there were many small boatman willing to cross the river for a fee. It was widely done. As for transporting items or a loaded cart, that would require a larger barge, but they existed. The Thames is tidal some way above London, today ending at Richmond where a dam and lock have been installed to prevent the tide from going further up. In Richard's time there was only London Bridge, maybe a mile upstream from Wapping, and it was crowded with shops on both sides making it narrow and very congested with carts etc. crossing. London Bridge in that day had huge stone supports that blocked much of the passage of water. When the tide was coming in or going out, the narrow openings between the piers of the bridge ran fast like rapids on a river and it took a skilled boatman to get through. That is why all of the big ships were restricted to the area downstream from the bridge, so that's where the shipyards were. However, from my reading the Thames was never much of a barrier. I have walked across Tower Bridge at the edge of Wapping and I have stood at Wapping docks and looked across the river, and I cannot imagine any difficulty in getting across in any kind of decent boat. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:30 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACE-L] Wapping to Rotherhithe -- googlings Ellen, That is very interesting especially the tunnel! IF- all of the rest of the markers match - then the results will be exciting because we could *potentially* have a 34/37 match which FTDNA intreprets as a "related" match - that is, Group 3a and participant #8179 probably shared a common ancestor in the time period since surnames have been established. Even if we land up with a 33/37 match, FTDNA says the relationship is "probably related." See FTDNA's page on Genetic Distances for 37 markers for more information. http://www.familytreedna.com/GDRules_37.html There have been some projects that have had the third panel of markers (markers 26-37) match while the mutations have occurred in the first 25 markers. But the third panel of markers also has several fast mutating markers, so it will be interesting to see how this turns out. IF -- it turns out to be a "related" match of 34/37 or even 33/37, further research will need to be undertaken as the lineage for participant # 8179 only goes back to a George Pace of 1859. At this point, not enough is known about the George Pace line of 1859 but it might put a foot in the doorway in finding out more about the ancestry of the NC Paces of Group 3a especially, with additional research effort on the George Pace of 1859 line. Now to patiently await the DNA test results..... Rebecca genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net wrote: It would certainly be exciting if the DNA shows a close relationship. Won't prove anything, I suppose, but very interesting indeed. Rebecca, can you tell us what conclusions could reasonably be drawn (if any) if all the other markers turn out to match? Ellen ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To share info which may be of interest to others, reply to the mail list (PACE-L@rootsweb.com). To say thank you or otherwise reply personally, reply to sender.

That was quick. We have the money for the funding! As soon as I see it in the General Fund, I will ask that it be applied to Antony. Roy

Rebecca Christenson sent me the following email questioning FTDNA's conclusion on DYS 390 in my last email. Under these circumstances, funding this upgrade at $59.00 (we already have $14.00) would be a good investment. Anyone interested? Roy Johnson DNA coordinator Roy, I saw the note on the website. Although a couple of hundred years late, it is very interesting that Antony Pace's line is in the same area as Richard Pace. Evidently FTDNA still claims DYS 390 is a slow marker(?), but it actually is one of the faster markers tested by FTDNA - in the fastest third of FTDNA's markers. A chart showing gene diversity among the various haplogroups for the different markers and the mutation rates for the markers for R1b based on a study of ysearch entries can be found on the following page. http://www.geocities.com/null439/GenDiv3.htm The misreporting of mutation rate speeds by FTDNA was discussed earlier this month on the Genealogy-DNA list - evidently FTDNA is planning on updating their information soon. (??) http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2006-01/1137962307 Here is a Genealogy-DNA list e-mail message that discusses the fast and slow markers tested by FTDNA and DNA Heritage. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2006-01/1137954411 Rebecca

Rebecca Christenson has pointed out that Antony Pace (#8179) matches 22/25 with our group 3a and suggests that an upgrade to 37 markers might be interesting. FTDNA says his 22/25 is a mismatch especially due to a mutation in the slow moving marker 390. This upgrade would have to be funded at $59.00. We have $14.00 in the general fund left over from the last funding. If you are interested in contributing, let me know. If it appears there is enough interest for the $59.00 I will send info on how to donate to the general fund. Roy Johnson DNA coordinator

Last year the APVA got permission from the Church of England to exhume the body of a woman buried in a Suffolk church, who they believed was the sister of Bartholomew Gosnold. The APVA wanted to carry out mitochondrial DNA tests in the hope of confirming that a body found at Jamestown in 2003 was the body of Bartholomew Gosnold. The grave was opened, and the samples analyzed. Seems the lady who was exhumed was not Gosnold's sister after all but a different person entirely. The APVA archaeologist, Bill Kelso, is apparently still "confident" that the Jamestown body is that of Bartholomew Gosnold. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4424206.stm http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/channel/blog/2005/11/explorer_jamestown.html http://www.historicjamestowne.org/news/gosnold_dna_01.php Ellen

This is from the Fluvanna Co,Va-1853-1896 by Nell Hailey Page107- Pace, John L.( white male)( Farmer) d. 23 Dec. 1870 of cancer,aged 66 yr da,s/o Josiah Pace, b. Goochland Co.,sp. of Elizabeth Pace, John J. Johnson, friend, repd. would this be the grandson of Joseph Pace and Ann Basford, if he is the son of Josiah Pace? Anyone know who he was married to.?

"Sal De Pace, 74, world traveler" (from Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Jan. 21, 2006, ajc.com) Salvatore Joseph De Pace, 74, died Mon. (Jan. 16, 2006) ...proud of his Italian heritage, organizing charity bocce tournaments, presiding over the local La Societa Italiana group and spearheading trips to Italy. ...head of Golden Jet Travel Service for 27 years, championed trips to every corner of the globe. ...memorial Mass at All Saints Catholic Church. ...native of Providence, RI, who came to Atlanta in 1976, as a real estate developer and manager. ...son:David De Pace of Phoenix. ...daughters: Marie Heath of Dallas and Gigi Leavitt of Phoenix. ...six stepdaughters and two stepsons ...brother: John De Pace of Phoenix. ...wife: Jo Ann De Pace of Dunwoody (Atlanta, GA). (Photo and lengthy obit.) Kathy Best

Sorry, the hotel phone number didn't come out right, it should be Phone: 214-351-4477 GTP in Canada wrote: > HOTEL Reservations > can now be reserved for this June's > > PACE Society of America > Annual Reunion June 22 23 24 > > The RADISSON HOTEL & SUITES > 2330 W Northwest Highway > DALLAS, TEXAS > > for reservations > Phone: 214-351-4477 > Fax: 214-366-2467 > > mention you're with > the PACE Reunion for special rates > get reservation confirmation number > > additional details > forms to print out, at > http://www.pacesociety.org/ > > fill out Reunion Registration form > Form download on web page > and mail to > > Mira Nelson > 6905 Wilton Drive > Fort Worth, TX 76133-6130 > > no later than MAY 22 > > Gord Pace in Canada > Webmaster >

HOTEL Reservations can now be reserved for this June's PACE Society of America Annual Reunion June 22 23 24 The RADISSON HOTEL & SUITES 2330 W Northwest Highway DALLAS, TEXAS for reservations Phone: 214-351-447 Fax: 214-366-2467 mention you're with the PACE Reunion for special rates get reservation confirmation number additional details forms to print out, at http://www.pacesociety.org/ fill out Reunion Registration form Form download on web page and mail to Mira Nelson 6905 Wilton Drive Fort Worth, TX 76133-6130 no later than MAY 22 Gord Pace in Canada Webmaster

In reference to previous Frederick Pace of Wales discussions, it is interesting to note that the 1881 map does show some presence of the Pace surname in Wales. Not a lot, which agrees with what others have said on this forum. But if there were some Paces in Wales in 1881, there might have been some there 100 years earlier. Of course that number would have decreased a bit after Frederick and his family immigrated to the Carolinas around 1768. Joe Anderson

This is a new website launched in the UK and featured on a radio programme on Radio 2 yesterday. This website allows you to put in a surname "Pace" in this instance and it shows on a map where this surname showed up in 1881 and 1998 to show how the Pace's shifted around in over 100 years. This is the link to the 1881 map and it is no surprise to me where they show up : http://cetl2.geog.ucl.ac.uk/UCLnames/Map.aspx?name=PACE&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name This is the map for 1998 and see how us Pace's have travelled around!!! http://cetl2.geog.ucl.ac.uk/UCLnames/Map2.aspx?name=PACE&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name You can then view the statistics for the difference in 1881 and 1998 here: http://cetl2.geog.ucl.ac.uk/UCLnames/Statistics.aspx?name=PACE&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name This is a very interesting site and thought you could benefit for the Pace names and also any other UK names you might be studying. Best wishes Jaquie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PACE'S in the MISSOURI Soldiers Database: War of 1812 - World War I http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/soldiers/results.asp?txtName=PACE&selConflict=All&txtUnit=&rbBranch=all http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/soldiers/ New Search TIPS: Put Pace only in search box if you want to view 2 pages of Pace military records or index. Make sure that after opening the individual Pace record that you go to the bottom and click VIEW RECORD if it shows up. You will then view a copy of actual document. Viewing document seems to be available for many Civil War records. Larry Pace Pace Society of America pace.membership@pacesociety.org

Due to difficulties that Val and I are currently working out regarding uploading files, I have been unable to update the Results and Donors files on the Pace site. So,; temporarily I have uploaded them to the Pace Network (just these two files, not the entire DNA pages). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/DNA/results.htm From Results you can click the link to the Donors page or you can go to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/DNA/donors.html The most interesting new addition is in the John of Middlesex group. Willis Pace, a descendent of John of M/William, has posted 37 markers has a 25/25 match in the first 25 and a very interesting difference in markers 34 and 35, the two fast moving alleles that showed the only difference in Gordon Pace and the other John of M pace with 37 markers. Check it out. Roy Johnson

My daughter (Kathryn Pace Mangene) recently corresponded about Theodore Alonzo Pace and suggested I find it on your web site. Gordon Pace responded to her request and I'd love to see it. Can't wait for her to put the file together and send it to me herself. Thank you much, Pat Pace

Higginson Books is republishing 'Our Children's Ancestry' by Sarah Cantey Whitaker Allen. Although she was not a descendant of Rebecca Pace, many families in the book were. Sarah Allen was blind when she wrote this book, her husband was a doctor in Millegeville, GA. The book is quite wonderful, but like everything else not completely correct. Regards, Becky

Title: Our children's ancestry Authors: Allen, Sarah Cantey Whitaker, City of Publication: Milledgeville, Ga. Publisher: The author Date: 1935 Page Count: 574 Notes: Includes bibliographical references and index. The Whitaker family -- The Cantey family -- The Gaines family -- The Harvie family -- The Cosby family -- The Leonard family -- The Moran family -- The Allen family. this book is listed at Heritage Quest and your public library may give you free access to this. Page 364- 366 mention George Pace and Sarah Maycock Pace having a son Richard Pace I found this in searching Pace, Stephen on the site.

I have been trying to determine if there was an Agnes Pace (?) who married a James Ware (son of Nicholas Ware III) in Gloucester Co., VA c.1735? Some Ware researchers tend to think so...however I have found no proof. Would appreciate any information regarding this connection. Linda Juba

I have a note that her parents were John James Pace b. 1850 and Martha Elizabeth Smith She may have married Edward Franklin Dennis Anything more about this couple would be appreciated

Additional info from the obit from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Jan. 21,2006. (ajc.com) Mr. De Pace was very proud of his heritage, organizing tournaments, presiding over the local Italian group and initiating trips to Italy. After a tornado tore the Italian flag from the front of his home, he couldn't wait to replace it.