Anyone researching the descendants of Mary Etta ANGEL (b 1871-72) who married Samuel DAUGHERTY? Their daughter, Hazel, married William B. PACE. Mary Etta's father was Joseph L. ANGEL and her mother was Anna ROBERTS. Would like to find out more on Anna Roberts. Nancy Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: "pascalfl" <pascalfl@comcast.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: [PACE-L] Ben Pace - Angel Genealogy >I am trying to get in touch with BEN PACE. He left a message at GenForum >(1999) regarding his reseach on his gr-grandmother, Mary Etta ANGEL. I >tried to contact him via the email address connected to that post but it >apparently is no longer active. > > Nancy Pascal > pascalfl@comcast.net > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace > >

Many years ago a Pace Society member visited York Minister Cathedral in northern England and brought back a document stating that the Pace surname was Norman and went back to Pacy sur Eure in France. It has since been determined that this document was published (or at least got its information from) an organization called the House of Names, not known for its accuracy. I recently ran the mapping study of place names at http://cetl2.geog.ucl.ac.uk/uclnames/Surnames.aspx and got some very interesting results. The Pace surname in 1881 was very strong in the eastern counties next to Wales (and indeed even into central Wales!) and there was a fairly strong representation up north on the Scottish border, but elsewhere, even around London, it was weak. But the surname Pacey was very strong in the western counties where the Normans mostly settled. So my hypothesis is that the Pacey surname came from Pacy sur Eure in Normandy, but the Pace surname probably did not since it was hardly in those Norman counties at all in 1881. Also, DNA of the western (John of Middlesex) Paces in our study is very different from the DNA of the Paces that we believe originated in the London area. (Of course there would be quite a few Normans in London since it was the capital.) Of course there were changes in the spellings so that we may have Paces whose ancestors were Paceys and are of that Norman background. It is very interesting to go to the mapping URL and put in alternative spellings of the name, such as Pase, Paise, Paisey, etc. Each variation seems to be highly localized in small sections of England in the 1881 maps. Social mobility has caused these names to move around so that the 1997 map is different, but the 1881 maps would be more valuable for drawing conclusions about the local origins of the variants of the Pace surname. Roy Johnson

Perhaps not such a good idea as I at first thought. I gave it a try and bought the Will of George Pace, Shipwright of Saint Mary Magdalen Bermondsey, Surrey, probated in 1710. The transaction went smoothly and very quickly, but it turns out what you get is not a transcript but an image of the original document. Should have guessed that that would be the case. So it would mean quite a lot of work, transcribing all the relevant Pace wills. Probably not worth it, since the chances of actually finding a descendant through this method must be quite small. Ellen

Maybe someone would want to try to find his descendants. Betty Pace This was sent to me by a non-Pace relative in the U.K.-- He is not in a postion (or health) to do further research. ----- Forwarded Message ----- Linnean Society, their periodical ‘The Linnean’. In the current number {January 2006) there is an article on ‘Stephan Ion Pace (1872-1941): a ‘little local difficulty’ in the history of the Marine Station at Millport’ a Naturalist at the Plymouth Marine Laboratory He was born in London (22 November 1872) the son of a stained-glass worker. He studied zoology at the then Royal College of Science now Imperial College. Pace moved to Millport in June 1905 where he became Director of the Scottish Marine Station. He was only Director for 2 years and this is where ‘the local difficulty’ arose. Of course there is much more about Stephan Pace in the article but I doubt whether it would be of interest to you. However Pace is not such a common name Google Search Stephan Ion Pace, 1872-1941, English malacologist (a student of Columbellidae), director of the Marine Biological Association of the W of Scotland , i.e. Millport until 1907 (when he resigned and was replaced by R. Elmhirst (q.v.)) [Columbella pacei E.A. Smith, 1895], in 1904 married to the marine biologist Rose Mable Clark, 18??-19??. He was considered to dislike amateur researchers. Another namesake is the stalwart South Florida collector Robert (Bob) Pace, 19??-, [Ancilla (Amalda) pacei Petuch, 1987, Coralliophila pacei Petuch, 1987, Terebra (Strioterebrum) pacei Petuch, 1987, Conus pacei Petuch, 1987, Trivia (Niveria) pacei Petuch, 1987, Modulus pacei Petuch, 1987, Cerithium muscarum paceoui Petuch, 1987, Cyclotheca pacei Petuch, 1987, Dermomurex pacei E. J. Petuch, 1988, Favartia pacei E. J. Petuch, 1988]. (Andrew Vik, Tampa, Florida kindly provided the information abt R. Pace).

At 09:24 08/02/2006 -0600, Roy Johnson wrote: ><<It costs £3.50 to download a will.>> > >How is payment made? Credit card is the only possibility I can think of. I >use PayPal for international sales on eBay (it's very smooth, they handle >exchange rates and everything for a reasonable fee of about 2%) but I doubt >if the archives are signed up for PayPal. Is there some provision to do the >money exchange? Payment is by credit card. When you use a credit card to pay for something in another currency, the exchange gets made at the exchange rate which prevails at the time the money leaves your credit card account. This happens automatically. At present rates £3.50 is about USD 6.09. Some card providers might make an extra charge, I don't know about that. >Persuading British Paces to do the test is tough, especially if the request >comes from this side of the Atlantic. So many of the rip-off genealogy >offers come from the US that most Brits don't trust the Pace Society and >think it's just another one. Gordon Pace (of Canada) has tried without >success, and he is related to many of the British Paces in Shropshire and >has visited there. As a British librarian, you would have much more >credibility to do the persuading. Actually, we would love to get more >British Pace DNA from anyone--and funding would not be a problem; many of us >are eager to donate to such an endeaver. ??? I'm neither British nor a librarian. We might not even find anyone to persuade, so the problem might not arise. If we do find a likely candidate, of course they might not be interested but then again they might. Ellen

While we're waiting to see what the DNA upgrade can tell us, it occurred to me that those interested could make a collective onslaught on the available online early Pace records, looking at Paces who lived in and around Middlesex, in the 18th century. We could try to trace from each of those 18th-century Paces towards the present day, in the hope of getting all the way to the present day and finding a living male-line descendant. If we could find a suitable living descendant, then we could invite him to participate in the DNA project. My reasoning is that any Paces living in that area during the 18th century could _conceivably_ be descended from relatives of Richard and/or Ant's ancestors. IF (big if) we could find a descendant who was willing to participate, we could compare his DNA to Ant's as well as to that of the possible Richard descendants in the database. Could be interesting. Even if we don't find a suitable DNA candidate, it might throw up possible ancestors of Ant's. I was thinking we could start by examining the wills archive at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp. There are some interesting Pace wills listed in Middlesex in the 18th century. Several of them are the wills of mariners. The wills can be accessed at the Family Records Centre in Islington manually, but that would be very slow. Much quicker if we use the online archive. It costs £3.50 to download a will. My suggestion is that anyone who wants to could volunteer to buy a will and then share with the list the relevant information contained in it. (I don't think we're allowed to post an actual transcription, because of copyright, but we could say what names and relationships are mentioned.) Then we could put our heads together and identify the most promising leads to follow, and from there we could search the relevant parish records for further information. Anyone interested in trying this approach? Ellen

Descendants of Silas Pace Jr. might be interested to know that the book also contains a lot of Foreman entries. (Silas was married to Elizabeth Foreman.) Ellen At 07:12 08/02/2006 -0600, Joyce wrote: >Those who are interested in these surnames in NC (Cains/Walkers/Paces in >Bertie/Edgecombe/Nash) may want to peruse the NC section of the book (online >through Rootsweb), "Cains and Associated Families of Amite County, >Missisippi," by Mildred Ezell. It contains many, many, abstracts of deeds >involving Cains, Walkers, and Paces in earlier North Carolina beginning in >the 1720s. There's an index to the book, subdivided alphabetically, at this >site. It will NOT take you directly to the pages but is a reference to the >names found within the book. (Continue reading to find URLs to book itself.) >http://www.rootsweb.com/~msfrank2/cainbookindex.htm > >Because the book is chopped up into different sections, each with different >URLs, it's a bit of a challenge to navigate through web links or find a >direct link to it on the Amite Co., MS website. Therefore, included below >are URLs which take you to the beginning of the book and to the most >pertinent sections--about NC Cains. From there you can search on the Pace >name, or whatever is of interest (watercourse names, etc.) > >"Read Me" section--helpful in getting oriented to this book... >http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/0readme.txt > >Beginning of book: >http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cain001.txt > >***Sections about NC Cains--each section a continuation of the preceding*** >http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cainc01.txt > >http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cainc31.txt > >http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cainc61.txt > >Some years ago I just printed the whole book, section by section, and it's >in a thick folder, all marked up. My interest is that a name in one of the >John Pace deeds (Roger Case), I've long suspected is "really" a Casey and >related to my Daniel Casey whose son and daughter each married Paces--i.e., >Mary Casey to Barnabas, and John Casey to Elizabeth). Roger's name was >spelled Casse elsewhere in these NC records, Casse being an early variant of >Casey. Hope this references helps those who're also interested in NC Paces! > >- Joyce Harris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mr John Pace [mailto:pjohndeb@verizon.net] >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:42 AM >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACE-L] 2005 Fall/Winter Bulletin > >....I think that if one studies these records, it >is plain to see that the Walkers, Cains and Paces had a very close >relationship in Nash Co.... > > > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >If you haven't done so within the last six months, please post a >message describing your Earliest Pace Ancestor and how you descend >from them. Please include dates, places, spouses, etc, if >possible. Send the message to PACE-L@rootsweb.com

Go to this URL to sign up and put in the requested info. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Pace I will then get an email message asking me to approve or not. The reason for this is that we often get requests from people who are not qualified--females or a different surname with Pace ancestry. I had to reject one of those this morning. The female who tried to sign up is now looking for a male relative who will accept the kit. Then you will be given a URL to request the kit. You can pay by credit card or invoice. The kit can be sent to you or to the person who will donate the DNA. Then a lineage should be sent to me in the form that we use on the Donors page, except that all names should be filled in. When I post it on the Donors page, I do not post data for living persons. Roy -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Howorko [mailto:Brenda.Howorko@gov.ab.ca] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:28 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] How do I get the DNA Sample, mailing instructions etc. I am going to be in Kentucky in April and would like to try and convince my cousin, Richard Pace to contribute to the DNA project - our line is kind of short on Pace males, although Jim Pace in Texas is related through Joseph and Martha "Patsey" Foster Pace. Could someone direct me as to how to go about doing this. I will also pay for this myself. Looking forward to finding out how we fit, although I believe we are of the John of Middlesex lineage. This is our line, done from my cousin Richard Pace >Richard Pace (the current one) >Craddock Dixon "Beno" Pace >William Robert Pace >William Pace >Schuyler Pace >David Foster Pace >Joseph and Martha "Patsey" Pace >William Pace and Elizabeth Wade >John and Susanna Houchins Pace >Joseph and Anne Bashford/Basford Pace (I believe this is where my line >meets Roy Johnson's) Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipients of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com

Hi everyone at the Pace rootsweb: My earliest Pace ancestors were Willis Pace who was born in Wake co NC in 1790. He married Polly Gill , Tabitha Pace's and Jessee Gill's daughter who was also born in 1790 . Tabitha Pace's father was Buckner Pace who was originally from Va. and who died circa 1800 in Wake Co NC. The above Willis Pace is not the Tennessee Willis Pace nor the Canadian Willis Pace. Willis Pace of Wake co NC was born there and died there. I descend through his son Pressley P. Pace of Wake co who was born circa 1830 and married Rebecca Scarborough, daughter of John Scarborough of Wake Co NC. Hope you can trace Buckner and Willis Pace back to Richard of Jamestown. We have been told that we descended from Richard of Jamestown who made history with Chanco. It could be from either or both lines. Have never seen any proven theories as to how . Thanks for any information . Daniel Scarborough Hoyle Gallatin Tennessee

I am going to be in Kentucky in April and would like to try and convince my cousin, Richard Pace to contribute to the DNA project - our line is kind of short on Pace males, although Jim Pace in Texas is related through Joseph and Martha "Patsey" Foster Pace. Could someone direct me as to how to go about doing this. I will also pay for this myself. Looking forward to finding out how we fit, although I believe we are of the John of Middlesex lineage. This is our line, done from my cousin Richard Pace >Richard Pace (the current one) >Craddock Dixon "Beno" Pace >William Robert Pace >William Pace >Schuyler Pace >David Foster Pace >Joseph and Martha "Patsey" Pace >William Pace and Elizabeth Wade >John and Susanna Houchins Pace >Joseph and Anne Bashford/Basford Pace (I believe this is where my line >meets Roy Johnson's) Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipients of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed.

<<It costs £3.50 to download a will.>> How is payment made? Credit card is the only possibility I can think of. I use PayPal for international sales on eBay (it's very smooth, they handle exchange rates and everything for a reasonable fee of about 2%) but I doubt if the archives are signed up for PayPal. Is there some provision to do the money exchange? Persuading British Paces to do the test is tough, especially if the request comes from this side of the Atlantic. So many of the rip-off genealogy offers come from the US that most Brits don't trust the Pace Society and think it's just another one. Gordon Pace (of Canada) has tried without success, and he is related to many of the British Paces in Shropshire and has visited there. As a British librarian, you would have much more credibility to do the persuading. Actually, we would love to get more British Pace DNA from anyone--and funding would not be a problem; many of us are eager to donate to such an endeaver. Roy -----Original Message----- From: genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net [mailto:genealogy@snuffy.britishlibrary.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:10 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Finding Pace descendants in London (Richard line) While we're waiting to see what the DNA upgrade can tell us, it occurred to me that those interested could make a collective onslaught on the available online early Pace records, looking at Paces who lived in and around Middlesex, in the 18th century. We could try to trace from each of those 18th-century Paces towards the present day, in the hope of getting all the way to the present day and finding a living male-line descendant. If we could find a suitable living descendant, then we could invite him to participate in the DNA project. My reasoning is that any Paces living in that area during the 18th century could _conceivably_ be descended from relatives of Richard and/or Ant's ancestors. IF (big if) we could find a descendant who was willing to participate, we could compare his DNA to Ant's as well as to that of the possible Richard descendants in the database. Could be interesting. Even if we don't find a suitable DNA candidate, it might throw up possible ancestors of Ant's. I was thinking we could start by examining the wills archive at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp. There are some interesting Pace wills listed in Middlesex in the 18th century. Several of them are the wills of mariners. The wills can be accessed at the Family Records Centre in Islington manually, but that would be very slow. Much quicker if we use the online archive. It costs £3.50 to download a will. My suggestion is that anyone who wants to could volunteer to buy a will and then share with the list the relevant information contained in it. (I don't think we're allowed to post an actual transcription, because of copyright, but we could say what names and relationships are mentioned.) Then we could put our heads together and identify the most promising leads to follow, and from there we could search the relevant parish records for further information. Anyone interested in trying this approach? Ellen ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace

I am trying to get in touch with BEN PACE. He left a message at GenForum (1999) regarding his reseach on his gr-grandmother, Mary Etta ANGEL. I tried to contact him via the email address connected to that post but it apparently is no longer active. Nancy Pascal pascalfl@comcast.net

Those who are interested in these surnames in NC (Cains/Walkers/Paces in Bertie/Edgecombe/Nash) may want to peruse the NC section of the book (online through Rootsweb), "Cains and Associated Families of Amite County, Missisippi," by Mildred Ezell. It contains many, many, abstracts of deeds involving Cains, Walkers, and Paces in earlier North Carolina beginning in the 1720s. There's an index to the book, subdivided alphabetically, at this site. It will NOT take you directly to the pages but is a reference to the names found within the book. (Continue reading to find URLs to book itself.) http://www.rootsweb.com/~msfrank2/cainbookindex.htm Because the book is chopped up into different sections, each with different URLs, it's a bit of a challenge to navigate through web links or find a direct link to it on the Amite Co., MS website. Therefore, included below are URLs which take you to the beginning of the book and to the most pertinent sections--about NC Cains. From there you can search on the Pace name, or whatever is of interest (watercourse names, etc.) "Read Me" section--helpful in getting oriented to this book... http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/0readme.txt Beginning of book: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cain001.txt ***Sections about NC Cains--each section a continuation of the preceding*** http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cainc01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cainc31.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/amite/history/books/cain/cainc61.txt Some years ago I just printed the whole book, section by section, and it's in a thick folder, all marked up. My interest is that a name in one of the John Pace deeds (Roger Case), I've long suspected is "really" a Casey and related to my Daniel Casey whose son and daughter each married Paces--i.e., Mary Casey to Barnabas, and John Casey to Elizabeth). Roger's name was spelled Casse elsewhere in these NC records, Casse being an early variant of Casey. Hope this references helps those who're also interested in NC Paces! - Joyce Harris -----Original Message----- From: Mr John Pace [mailto:pjohndeb@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:42 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] 2005 Fall/Winter Bulletin ....I think that if one studies these records, it is plain to see that the Walkers, Cains and Paces had a very close relationship in Nash Co....

Roy do I have him contact you at royj@webster.edu or should he post to Pace site

Mark Strickland is a descendant of Solomon Strickland and Amy Pace b. North Carolina and d. 1815 in Madison Co., Georgia. I hope this helps, if not contact me. Larry Pace Pace Society of America Membership Chairman pace.membership@pacesociety.org Subject: [PACE-L] John David Pace - Alcorn County, MS I am a new member and just received the newsletter. In the list of new > members is Mark A. Strickland. If that Mark is related to Julia Pace, > b. cir > 1904, daughter of John David Pace and Nancy Goddard of Corinth, Alcorn > County, > MS, who married Mark Strickland, I believe we are cousins. I am the > granddaughter of Elizabeth Pace who was Julia Pace's older sister. Would > love to > share information. > > Dianne Denhem

I am a new member and just received the newsletter. In the list of new members is Mark A. Strickland. If that Mark is related to Julia Pace, b. cir 1904, daughter of John David Pace and Nancy Goddard of Corinth, Alcorn County, MS, who married Mark Strickland, I believe we are cousins. I am the granddaughter of Elizabeth Pace who was Julia Pace's older sister. Would love to share information. Dianne Denhem

John, When we talk about the relationship between the PACE and WALKER families, we want to remember that my Stephen Pace in Johnson Co NC married (1) Nancy Walker and (2) Lucy Walker, widow of Nancy's deceased brother. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr John Pace" <pjohndeb@verizon.net> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: [PACE-L] 2005 Fall/Winter Bulletin > Thanks to those who contributed to the new Pace Bulletin. A special thanks > to Shirley Pace Graham for her hard work in the land records around John > and Richard Pace in Nash, Co. NC. I think that if one studies these > records, it is plain to see that the Walkers, Cains and Paces had a very > close relationship in Nash Co. suggesting that William Pace who married > Sisley Walker was closely related to John and Richard Pace. This is also > in agreement with the present DNA test results. > > John Pace > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the new Pace Society of America web page at: > www.pacesociety.org, and please join the Pace Society of America for only > $25.00 per year. >

Thanks to those who contributed to the new Pace Bulletin. A special thanks to Shirley Pace Graham for her hard work in the land records around John and Richard Pace in Nash, Co. NC. I think that if one studies these records, it is plain to see that the Walkers, Cains and Paces had a very close relationship in Nash Co. suggesting that William Pace who married Sisley Walker was closely related to John and Richard Pace. This is also in agreement with the present DNA test results. John Pace

Just wondering if copies of Bruce Howard's "Our Colonial Ancestors" were still available for sale? Also, I've seen postings from several years back about him working on a follow-up book. Was that ever completed? ------------------------------------------- Glen Mark Martin http://martin.techwind.com

According to W. James Pace book Chapter 4, Lucretia Holland Pace was the oldest daughter of D.E. Pace and Melita Leverett.She was born in Elber County GA., 18, December 1828. moved to Alabama around 1836, she was eight years old. On Nov. 9, 1854 she married William Dawson Haynes in Chambers County, the minister was Gideon Gideon Leverett, her uncle. Her usban was the son of John Jason Haynes (1804-1886) and Elizabeth McKnight (1805-1847) W.D. Haynes was born 5, July 1830 in Greene County Ga., died 1, Dec. 1927 at Lineville. .was part of the 25th Alabama Infntry Regiment in the Confederate States Army.Was paroled as a prisoner of war at Talladega Co. 21, July 1860 Family listed in U.S. Census of 1860, Taladego Co, 21, July 1860 p. 783, Dwelling 1145. She died 01, June 1906 in Lineville AL. Both are buried Old Lineville Cemetery Clay County. Jack Pace/Williamsburg,Va.