Brenda Howorko wrote: > Interesting site. Between 1830 and 1870 there were 11 Pace(s) who > immigrated into the US, all from England and all sailing from Liverpool. > > Brenda Howorko > Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister > Alberta Energy > Ph: (780) 427-7727 > Fx: (780) 422-3920 I would be willing to bet they were all from my descendency Lancashire, Cheshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire. and try to fit them into my Midlands PACE ancestry I'm sure, with time, we will be able to link so many unknown earlier PACES in colonial America with those who were Christened in UK parishes and seemed to disappear from the UK parishes. My research has largely been, to look into this as many, many people emmigrated from England to colonial America. The work the LDS has done is nothing less than phenoninal, to say the very least. GTP

Sheila: Louisa L. Pace was b. 1864 and married L. A. Phillips on March 3, 1880 in Franklin Co, AR. I don't know who their children were. Louisa was a daughter of John Morgan Pace and Elizabeth Evans, who married in 1846 in Johnson Co, AR. Siblings of Louisa were: Eliza J., Mary Emoline, John Litten, Charles W., Benjamin M., Martha Ann, and Arminta Elizabeth. John Morgan Pace was b. 10/20/1818 in SC. Elizabeth Evans was a daughter of Archibald Evans, who, per Larry Raiburn, is believed to have been a full-blood Cherokee. Most of my info is from Terrie Burns Coffee, adtaco@brightok.net, who says that John Morgan Pace is buried in Pond Creek Cemetery, between Ozark and Altus in Franklin Co, AR. John was a son of Francis Pace and Mary Lynch. I will send you more details of the ancestry by direct email. Gordon W. Pace -----Original Message----- >From: hart627@comcast.net >Sent: Feb 21, 2006 2:27 PM >To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACE-L] Louisa Laura Pace of AR > >I am searching for info on my g-grandmother who was a Pace and married Lewis Ancil Phillips in Franklin Co AR. I have found my g-grandmothers name listed several different ways...Louisa Laura, Laura Lutie, and just Laura. I am also trying to find if she was part Cherokee Indian. I know they lived in Franklin, White and Cleburne counties in Arkansas. > >Thanks, Sheila > > >==== PACE Mailing List ==== >Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: http://boards.ancestry.com > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Donebest@aol.com wrote: > Many years ago there was an article in the magazine of our Atlanta Sunday > paper about a group of young people who were going, or had gone, on some sort of > expedition (art?) to a little town in Italy. There was a background photo of > the town showing very old castlelike structures or battlements. The name of > the town was Pacentro, as well as I can remember. Does anyone know about this > place and if it could be connected to our Paces? > Kathy Best > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== PACE, a dynamic word of action, in the Balkan nations of southern Europe, seems to have power as a dynamic force, rather that just a surname. Source: Oxford A PACE flag, (the flag of PEACE) was donated by Julian Pace and his wife at last June's Reunion at Independence, Missouri. I've seen it several times on BBC World TV News. Very popular in Venezuala riots, Spain, Peru and other places where crowds form and hold marches of peace to protest. Maybe not seen in US The PACE flag was actually a peace movement flag in Italy! From Oxford PACE - by leave of, in announcing contrary opinion PASCHAL - of the Passover, of Easter PACE EGGS were a tradion of Lancashire, England have been talked about before. maybe some of you remember My father and aunts were born in Lancashire, UK The PACE EGGS were a tradition there. Other Paces in England, say they know nothing of this, but in Lancashire, Yorkshire (of the north east) it was well known tradition. GTPace Canada If you don't like what I write, cut me off this lest From: http://pacentro.jeffsmobile.ca/ Pacentro, a town situated in the National Park of Maiella, located approximately 2 hours east of Rome, 1 hour west of the Adriatic Coast. Reportedly, Pacentro became a populated area around the 8th century, although archeological ruins have dated further back then that. The architecture of Pacentro has withstood the test of time. The 3 castles, constructed by the counts Valva, are still standing and have been recently renovated. Santa Maria Maggiore Church was built around the sixteenth century and St. Marcello's church, founded in 1047, was restored in 1166. The town is situated at approximately 1200 feet. also see: http://www.pacentro.org/ http://www.abruzzoheritage.com/ The St. Thomas of Aquinas motto is Pace e Bene, or "peace and health," so the place might be incorporating "peace" in the name?

Hi there, I'm afraid that complaints of bounced or "lost" posts are popping up on many Rootsweb mailing lists right now. At one point AOL's SPAMCOP had Rootsweb on it's "black list" and thousands of emails backed up before that was ironed out. Now it's other things gumming up the works.. This week I too have had members reporting lost posts to a list that I admin. (SINES) ~ Gordan, have you checked the archives for your "lost" posts: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PACE/2006-02 They may have made it to the list.. just not back to you. I found these so far: "... Norman - Pacy sur Eure by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:40:14 -0500) Newsome link by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:19:51 -0500) Newsome link, ctd by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:29:53 -0500) Newsome link, ctd by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:49:40 -0500) Newsome link, ctd by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:17:12 -0500) Newsome link, ctd by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:23:59 -0500) Re: [PACE-L] Newsome link, ctd by paceshire (Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:20:05 -0500) Re: [PACE-L] Newsome link, ctd by paceshire (Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:27:27 -0500) Newsome link, ctd. by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:56:24 -0500) Italy by Donebest (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:49:11 EST) Re: [PACE-L] Italy by GTP in Canada (Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:36:44 -0500) Common ancestry Antony Pace by Roy Johnson (Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:19:25 -0600) RE: [PACE-L] Common ancestry Antony Pace by Janders 45 (Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:09:54 -0600) Italian Pace immigrants by Rebecca Christensen (Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:25:07 -0800 (PST)) RE: [PACE-L] Italian Pace immigrants by Roy Johnson (Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:21:40 -0600) RE: [PACE-L] Italian Pace immigrants by Brenda Howorko (Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:14:32 -0700) appology by GTP in Canada (Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:26:45 -0500) = List members will just have to be patient while thses things get sorted through. The powers-that-be ARE working to straighten these messes out. Try checking to make sure your ISP has not installed a new SPAM fighting program that may have black listed Rootsweb. Bye for now, Kathleen ================================================ > [Original Message] > From: Roy Johnson <royj@webster.edu> > To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/23/2006 8:34:19 AM > Subject: RE: [PACE-L] appology > > Gordon, it is my impression that the list is not censored. It is not a > moderated list, where the listowner (in this case the other Gordon) reads > and approves every submission. However, there are probably length > requirements and maybe your emails were pretty long. Could that explain it? > > They should be in your "sent items" box and easy to retrieve and break up > and send again. > > Roy Johnson > > -----Original Message----- > From: GTP in Canada [mailto:gordpace@eagle.ca] > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:27 AM > To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACE-L] appology > > I need to appologise to the list. > Many hours spent to catch up with back emails > after being away, a couple weeks, disappeared when I sent them, > also, "Norman - Pacy sur Eure" and several others, > didn't make it to the list. More hours wasted. > Getting into hot water, washing dishes > would have been more productive. > GTPace in Canada

Members of the Pace Family, Why don't we all take a deep breath, have a cup of coffee, or something, and relax a bit. As Roy Johnson points out there are limitations on messages to PACE-L. Gordon W. Pace, the list manager, can clarify that as required. As GTP of Canada explained, he probably exceeded the limits. GTP of Canada got a little carried away is his suspicions of the cause of his problems, and has apologized. We are all members of the same family and should cut each other a little slack when it is needed. Best regards. Bob Pace On Feb 23, 2006, at 8:49 AM, Henry A. Pace wrote: > I am offended one of the most revered list members denigrated my > Country > and my President and even more offended no other list member, except > myself, has so stated. > > Henry A. Pace > U. S. A. F. - 1950 - 1954 > Pasadena, Texas > UNITED STATES OF AMERICA > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Check out the Pace GenConnect Boards where you can post or peruse Pace > Bibles, Obits, Bios, Deeds, Wills, Queries, etc. Bookmark this URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com > >

I am offended one of the most revered list members denigrated my Country and my President and even more offended no other list member, except myself, has so stated. Henry A. Pace U. S. A. F. - 1950 - 1954 Pasadena, Texas UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Interesting site. Between 1830 and 1870 there were 11 Pace(s) who immigrated into the US, all from England and all sailing from Liverpool. Brenda Howorko Executive Assistant to the Deputy Minister Alberta Energy Ph: (780) 427-7727 Fx: (780) 422-3920 -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: February 22, 2006 8:25 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Italian Pace immigrants If you go to http://www.castlegarden.org/help.html and do a search on Pace immigrants through Castle Garden (1820-1913), the first 860 out of 892 results for Pace immigrants to the US were Italians. The Italian Pace immigrants arrived at Castle Garden generally during the late 1800s and early 1900s. Rebecca ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipients of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed.

Sorenson Mol. Gen. Fnd. gives an estimate of "Most likely num. generations separating you from your paternal MRCA" (most recent common ancestor). Where the match is 22/24 (roughly equivalent to our 34/37), that estimate is 20 generations. That "feels" about right in this case, so I would bet that Bob and Antony have a common male ancestor somewhere between 15 and 25 generations ago. But I suspect that SMGF's estimate results from strictly mathematical calculations. If we factor in the common surname and geographical location, it sure seems possible that Bob and Antony's common male ancestor was someone not too many generations removed from Richard Pace's departure for the Americas (Richard's father, grandfather, g-grandfather, etc). Joe ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Roy Johnson" <royj@webster.edu> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Common ancestry Antony Pace Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:19:25 -0600 >From Roy Johnson, DNA coordinator: The Group Administrator Page offers a tool for calculating the probable distance to a common ancestor between any two participants. I ran the test for Antony Pace (8179) and his two 34/37 matches with kits 6366 and 8179. It should be emphasized that these estimates are highly tentative and are constantly being refined. They are based on comparison with other DNA results where the common ancestor is known and there is a 34/37 match. We know there was no common ancestor prior to 8 generations, which puts us back to the late 1600s. 10-12 generations puts us back to the time of Richard of Jamestown. So these estimates indicate a good likelihood of a common ancestor close to the time of Richard of Jamestown. I know Bob won't mind if I reveal this-I think it's kind of neat that one of these matches is with past Pace Society president Bob Pace. Keep in mind that "within" means that number of generations or less. The odds of a common ancestor within... 8 generations is 51.17% 10 generations is 67.53% 12 generations is 79.64% 14 generations is 87.82% 16 generations is 92.98% 18 generations is 96.08% 20 generations is 97.86% 22 generations is 98.86%

Gordon, it is my impression that the list is not censored. It is not a moderated list, where the listowner (in this case the other Gordon) reads and approves every submission. However, there are probably length requirements and maybe your emails were pretty long. Could that explain it? They should be in your "sent items" box and easy to retrieve and break up and send again. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: GTP in Canada [mailto:gordpace@eagle.ca] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:27 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] appology I need to appologise to the list. Many hours spent to catch up with back emails after being away, a couple weeks, disappeared when I sent them, also, "Norman - Pacy sur Eure" and several others, didn't make it to the list. More hours wasted. Getting into hot water, washing dishes would have been more productive. GTPace in Canada ==== PACE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe send email to PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the one word message: subscribe OR unsubscribe For digest mode, use PACE-D-request@rootsweb.com

I need to appologise to the list. Many hours spent to catch up with back emails after being away, a couple weeks, disappeared when I sent them, also, "Norman - Pacy sur Eure" and several others, didn't make it to the list. More hours wasted. Getting into hot water, washing dishes would have been more productive. GTPace in Canada

Gordon Pace / Canada.: During the years that John of Middlsex was in Middlesex most all residents were tradesmen as well as farmers. Large Plantation owners employeed overseers and smaller plantation owners ran their own operations. History tells us that persons of indenture that were imported such as building the Christ Church in Lancaster County were indentured for a period that it took to construct the church, after which they returned to their homeland. Theer was a regular movement of people between the Colony and the homeland. Many people making several trips. Those tradesmen who strickly followed a trade would be more inclined to purchas 50 acres rather than the 200 acres that John Pace paid Quit rent on in 1707. Remember that there was no villages, towns or cities in these rural areas and a family was responsible to do all the tasks to survive. There were no stores, so large Plantation owners who were well connected in England were also local traders. Residents in the area would depend on this trader family to fulfill their needs that they themselves could not provide. The currency in Middlesex was Sweet sented tobacco. Coffee and tea and spices as well as cloth, iron goods, tools and tinker products etc were aquired from the trader. The trader also often times acted as broker for the tobacco grown on the farm. Cooper tolls were used to manufacture barrels as well as Tobacco casks. John in his will left his carpenter and joiner tools, other than those needed to run the plantation, to his oldest son John Jr. John Jr. died in 1734 and his oldest son William was bound out to Robert Price to learn the art of carpenter and to write and read. William sold the plantation he inherited as heir apparent to Jno. White, his step father, who was a carpenter and joiner. 3 generations of Carpenter/joiners. John Pace Sr was appointed by court on several occasions to inspect the work of other tradesmen and report to court that a fair price was charged and that the quality was good. When John Pace Sr died he left carpenter, jointer, cooper, and shoe makers tools. He also left animals, grain, tobacco which were products of a farmer. From this inventory, plus the amount of land he owned one would consider that he was both Tradesman and Farmer. I would guess that John Jr. aided his father in his trade, and Joseph and the other children ran and managed the farming. It is interesting that in my studying this family, that there is no record of John of Middlesex ever being a slave holder. Some say he may have been Quaker and migrated to Virginia from Maryland. My persuit of this possibility has not produced any results. There is a possibility that John used indentured persons to help with the farm work. Also you should be aware that his wife Elizabeth, who many say her family name was NEWSOME, have noproof whatsoever that she was a Newsome. The fact of them naming their eight child Newsome as proof of her maiden name is very weak. Usuall a child given a spouses name was given to an earlier birth child, a practice used in getting that child named in the grandparents will. Consider also that Joseph, Benjamin and William all were involved in farming. Benjamin as an overseer for thacker in King and Queen County and Joseph and William in Goochland County. As they use to say down on the farm you need to get the burr out from under your saddle. out. Stay Cool !! God Bless America. Jack Pace

Gordon: It sounds a tad harsh. Jack Pace May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace

I am interested in those NOT of Italian origin. This shows that there are scads of Paces here who are not from our main two lines. These are mostly recent enough arrivals that their descendents should know who they are, if they have done any genealogy at all. I am surprised that we do not have more of them in the Pace Society and/or submitting DNA samples. Their DNA as recent immigrants would be of immense value to us; it would serve the same purpose as DNA from current UK residents. I was interested to note that there were a couple from Ireland and one from Switzerland--maybe the Italian part but who knows? Also, some may have just been on a trip and went back, such as "Mr. R. C. Pace, Gentleman". I copied all of these Paces to a Word document and saved it for future reference. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:25 PM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Italian Pace immigrants If you go to http://www.castlegarden.org/help.html and do a search on Pace immigrants through Castle Garden (1820-1913), the first 860 out of 892 results for Pace immigrants to the US were Italians. The Italian Pace immigrants arrived at Castle Garden generally during the late 1800s and early 1900s. Rebecca ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out!

If you go to http://www.castlegarden.org/help.html and do a search on Pace immigrants through Castle Garden (1820-1913), the first 860 out of 892 results for Pace immigrants to the US were Italians. The Italian Pace immigrants arrived at Castle Garden generally during the late 1800s and early 1900s. Rebecca

From Roy Johnson, DNA coordinator: The Group Administrator Page offers a tool for calculating the probable distance to a common ancestor between any two participants. I ran the test for Antony Pace (8179) and his two 34/37 matches with kits 6366 and 8179. It should be emphasized that these estimates are highly tentative and are constantly being refined. They are based on comparison with other DNA results where the common ancestor is known and there is a 34/37 match. We know there was no common ancestor prior to 8 generations, which puts us back to the late 1600s. 10-12 generations puts us back to the time of Richard of Jamestown. So these estimates indicate a good likelihood of a common ancestor close to the time of Richard of Jamestown. I know Bob won't mind if I reveal this-I think it's kind of neat that one of these matches is with past Pace Society president Bob Pace. Keep in mind that "within" means that number of generations or less. The odds of a common ancestor within... 8 generations is 51.17% 10 generations is 67.53% 12 generations is 79.64% 14 generations is 87.82% 16 generations is 92.98% 18 generations is 96.08% 20 generations is 97.86% 22 generations is 98.86%

Maybe I shouldn't be alarmed about secrecy, (US style) I received a mysterious phone today call from Ancesrtry.com Now why I can't publish the STEPNEY records on this list. Trying to understand this situation, GTP - Canada

Donebest@aol.com wrote: > Many years ago there was an article in the magazine of our Atlanta Sunday > paper about a group of young people who were going, or had gone, on some sort of > expedition (art?) to a little town in Italy. There was a background photo of > the town showing very old castlelike structures or battlements. The name of > the town was Pacentro, as well as I can remember. Does anyone know about this > place and if it could be connected to our Paces? > Kathy Best > Hi Kathy, I hope I'm still on this US list. My Italian friends have always been in touch with me and grateful to know, even though I'm from England. Permit me to say the following, which is very popular in Eastern Canada, maybe not so elsewhere, but I have grown up with Italian people here in Ontario. They seem to know about all of this name business. Right now, my friend Mastromarko, from southern Italia where he says the families are partly Arabic, says the northern Italians were PACE Jewish descent and many believe went to England and Germany. This seems to be well known in Barkan countries ( southern Europe along the Mediterranian) If this is true, maybe I am Jewish, but I don't know about that, for sure. I have many German friends and I am as Jewish to them as they are, but other German friends are the same as me. This Rootsweb list is for Genealogy, maybe not ethnick history, again, you have to be careful about it but who are we anyway. Just doing our Family history. The name PACE transcends many countries, so can we be classified as one race or another? This needs to be a European study, I'm a citizen of UE and would like to know more but some folks would rather hide stuff in the dark. Maybe more talk later if this survives the list censors. GTP

Many years ago there was an article in the magazine of our Atlanta Sunday paper about a group of young people who were going, or had gone, on some sort of expedition (art?) to a little town in Italy. There was a background photo of the town showing very old castlelike structures or battlements. The name of the town was Pacentro, as well as I can remember. Does anyone know about this place and if it could be connected to our Paces? Kathy Best

I am searching for info on my g-grandmother who was a Pace and married Lewis Ancil Phillips in Franklin Co AR. I have found my g-grandmothers name listed several different ways...Louisa Laura, Laura Lutie, and just Laura. I am also trying to find if she was part Cherokee Indian. I know they lived in Franklin, White and Cleburne counties in Arkansas. Thanks, Sheila

It seems that none of the list of Stepney PACE Christenings appeared on this Rootsweb transfer. If anyone wants the results of this research, You can get in touch with me, if this is still allowed, within the realm of your new Stalinist type of permission. GTPace Ontario, Canada