Joe--am clipping an earlier (forwarded) message from this List. This particular Pace reference is found in Vol. 1 of the Encyclopedia of Quaker Genealogy. - Joyce H. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:38:50 +0000 From: "Betty A. Pace" <bapace2@juno.com> To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20001205.085945.4038.1.BAPACE2@juno.com> Subject: [PACE-L] Re: BWO Look-Up Request: Quaker Genealogy --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Forwarding old message: On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:04:21 -0500 "Michael & Wendy Muir" <mwmuir@cyberhighway.net> writes: >The only Pace entries are from the Spring MM, which was in Orange Co., >NC > >PACE: >1835, 1, 31. Nancy recrq. (received by request) >1848, 3, 30. Nancy, dt Hardy & Susanna, Chatham Co., m. Thomas Cox. > > There is a secondary entry for Pace, referring to a George & >Esther (Pace) Marris. >This is from the High Point MM, which was in Guilford County > >Wendy Muir > -----Original Message----- From: Janders 45 [mailto:janders45@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:54 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Quaker Paces? Found the following on one of the Quaker genealogy sites: Mary Pace Worcester Eng mm 1mo 6 1715-6 Cert is endorsed :To Mary Pace att Richard Kenerdy at Leverpool By Chester Bagg." http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/quaker_arrivals_at_philadelphia_.htm I can't recall seeing any references to Quaker Paces. Any Quaker genealogists out there? Joe Anderson
Donor needs to try to get Death Cert might help them find who parents were I found this Shelby COUNTY TN - CEMETERIES - New Salem Cumberland Presbyterian Church Cemetery Pace, Cosby A. 1877 1944 Wife-Donie S. Pace;children:Ralph,Margaret Peck, Carl, & Howard from Macon,GA;Veteran of Spanish-American War Pace, Donie S. 12/25/1886 5/25/1967 Husband-Cosby A. Pace also they are on the 1920 Cen in Cochran Shelby Co Tn HH 118 Pace, Lon age 40 b- GA Father -GA mother in GA Donnie age 35 TNTNTN Margaret age 9 Ga Carl age 7 Ga Ralph age 5 Ga Lon Jr 2 3/12 But I cannot find them on any other Census ... Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Johnson" <royj@webster.edu> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: [PACE-L] New results 57109 > New results have been posted on the DNA page for 57109. This is Lynn > Beard's submission and goes back only to her grandfather Cosby Alonzo > Pace b. 1878 Cochran, GA, died prob. Brunswick, TN. > > The results place this line clearly in group 3a, and should be helpful > in seeking further evidence. Perhaps the town names of Cochran, GA, and > Brunswick, TN will also help. > > Roy Johnson > DNA coordinator > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Help this list grow - tell other Pace researchers about it. > Also, the Pace Society of America home page is located at: http://www.pacesociety.org - check it out! > > __________ NOD32 1.1523 (20060505) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >
Found the following on one of the Quaker genealogy sites: Mary Pace Worcester Eng mm 1mo 6 1715-6 Cert is endorsed :To Mary Pace att Richard Kenerdy at Leverpool By Chester Bagg." http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/quaker_arrivals_at_philadelphia_.htm I can't recall seeing any references to Quaker Paces. Any Quaker genealogists out there? Joe Anderson
New results have been posted on the DNA page for 57109. This is Lynn Beard's submission and goes back only to her grandfather Cosby Alonzo Pace b. 1878 Cochran, GA, died prob. Brunswick, TN. The results place this line clearly in group 3a, and should be helpful in seeking further evidence. Perhaps the town names of Cochran, GA, and Brunswick, TN will also help. Roy Johnson DNA coordinator
Has anyone heard of W.P. Pace? He was either from MS or TN and was still living in 1940's. I can't seem to come up with anything on him. I'm trying to help a new researcher who has W.P. associated with his family in a collateral line. I know this isn't much info. I do know he had a son, Jeff, who lived in Memphis prior to his death. I've not turned up anything on the SSDI for either of them. Thanks for any clues. Gale Pace Judkins
Information sent to me by Becky Shatto. She said she would not mind my passing this along to the list as she was unfamiliar with the Pace list . Since I am interested in the Walker name in my family I am adding my own little bit to what she sent. Gleaned from the internet. John Phillips was born in Herfordshire, England, m. Mary Frances" Fannie" Walker,daug. of Colonel George Walker and Mary Meade Ann Leigh Phillips was the dau. of John Phillips and Mary Frances Walker sent to me by Myron w. Gwinner of Tulsa, Okla. who also called me by phone. Mary Meade Walker, born abt. 1755. George and Mary had 13 or 14 children. Mentioned in the will of George Walker in Brunswick County, Va( dtd. 2-4-1779,prv. 12-25-1780. are several: John, 4th son, Jacob Wythe, 6th son ----- Original Message ----- From: Becky Shatto To: lcarey@bcpl.net Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Joseph Farrar Pace Hi- Joseph Farrar Pace is the son of William A. Pace b.1831 and Maria E. Farrar of Mecklenburg, VA. He is the grandson of James T. Pace b.1793 d.1848 and Anne Leigh Phillips b. 1799 d. 1859 in Pr. Geo. Co. VA. Joseph Farrrar Pace had siblings:James, Daniel Middagh, and Carrie Leigh. His children are: Carrie Leigh, William A., Marie Louise, J. Farrar, Fannie Rubie, Willie Anne, and Kate Goode. At the close of the Civil War Joseph Farrar went with his parents and other Pace family members to CO. where they remained for some years. One of his uncles, David Hamilton Payne, died there in 1882 and is buried in Denver's Riverside Cemetery. In the same cemetery is buried another of Joseph's uncle and aunts: Joel Alexander Pace b.1829 d.1885 and his wife, Mary C. Spain Pace b.1836 d.1896. The whereabouts of William A. and Maria E. Farrar Pace and their descendants is of great interest to me. If you have anything that might add to my knowledge of that line of the family I'd appreciate your sharing it with me. Let me hear from you. Rebecca C. Shatto
Yes ma'am, it was an announcement post I made on the forums. If you got the email, you are already registered on the forums though. It only went out to registered users. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Betty A. Pace [mailto:bapace2@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:50 PM To: jim.williamson@pacegenealogy.us Cc: Pace-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: New announcement: Software updates Is this okay? Is it safe to register? --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Keeping Up the Pace" <jim.williamson@pacegenealogy.us> To: bapace2@juno.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:17:41 +0000 Subject: New announcement: Software updates Message-ID: <E1FbK39-0000NK-D6@greyhound.petrescuehosting.com> The forums have been updated to the most recent stable version of the software as of this morning. I am seeing a couple of minor bugs, I will track them down and work them out shortly, ut the new version has better security than the last one, not that we have had any problems here so far. TNG, the tree software that I have in place is severly outdated. I will be upgrading it shortly and becoming more active with that protion of the site. Jim To unsubscribe from these announcements, login to the forum and uncheck "Receive forum announcements and important notifications by email." in your profile. You can view the full announcement by following this link: http://pacegenealogy.us/forum/index.php?topic=279.0 Regards, The Keeping Up the Pace Team.
Is this okay? Is it safe to register? --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Keeping Up the Pace" <jim.williamson@pacegenealogy.us> To: bapace2@juno.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:17:41 +0000 Subject: New announcement: Software updates Message-ID: <E1FbK39-0000NK-D6@greyhound.petrescuehosting.com> The forums have been updated to the most recent stable version of the software as of this morning. I am seeing a couple of minor bugs, I will track them down and work them out shortly, ut the new version has better security than the last one, not that we have had any problems here so far. TNG, the tree software that I have in place is severly outdated. I will be upgrading it shortly and becoming more active with that protion of the site. Jim To unsubscribe from these announcements, login to the forum and uncheck "Receive forum announcements and important notifications by email." in your profile. You can view the full announcement by following this link: http://pacegenealogy.us/forum/index.php?topic=279.0 Regards, The Keeping Up the Pace Team.
James Ware who married Agnes Pace was from the King and Queen Co Wares. I some time ago did a piece on this family in the Pace Bulletin but have never been able to find her parents. It stands to reason that one (3) of the Benjamin Paces might have had a daughter Agnes. Also there was a David Pace in K&Q. Recall K& Q is a burn county.This Ware family had a president of US in their tree. Jack Pace On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:37:11 -0400 "Lois Long Carey" <lcarey@bcpl.net> writes: > >From a Ware Family Geneology > They were married in 1735 > > Who were her parents? > I am also looking for a connection to a Ware Long > of Caroline County, Va > > Long is my maiden name and my paternal side of > my family is from Caroline C ounty,va > > Any connection between the Longs and Paces > because of Ware Long would be a new twist to me. > > > ==== PACE Mailing List ==== > Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at > http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace > > May your every shot be long and down the middle. Jack Pace
Although the St Dunstan's marriage record for Richard Pace and Isabell Smyth says that they are both "of" Wapping Wall, that doesn't necessarily mean that they always lived there, or that they lived nearby, or even within what is now Greater London. Given that St Dunstan's was the maritime church, it seems at least possible that Richard and Isabell might have come to London from the provinces, and got married at St Dunstan's because it fitted in with their plans to sail to Virginia. I believe that in the 16th-17th century a couple only needed to reside in a parish for three weeks minimum, while banns were called, in order to be allowed to be married in the parish church. So I had a look in the IGI to see if I could find the names elsewhere. And in Flamstead, Herts, (batch number C046972) these two records appear: RICHARD PACE chr 21 Feb 1589 Flamstead Herts (son of Richard) ISABELL SMITH chr 7 Apr 1583 Flamstead Herts (daughter of William and Isabell) The dates aren't exactly right but near enough, it seems to me, to be interesting. There's also a Richard Pace born in 1560 which would also be possible given that the Jamestown Richard Pace died by 1629 so might possibly have been a good deal older than Isabell. Quite a few other Paces, also, including at least one George. Flamstead is to the north west of London, near St Albans. See http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=43269 for history. Interesting to see that in the 15th century Flamstead was owned by Richard Earl of Warwick, and after his death it passed to his daughter Isabella. That may be why the names Richard and Isabella were popular amongst the residents of Flamstead in the 16th century. Unfortunately it seems Flamstead marriage registers don't go back as far as the 16th-17th century. Ellen Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
From ancestry .com James Pendleton Pace , son of John Wilson Pace and Henrietta Ann Mcquarry. There was in Goochland Co.Va a Pendleton Pace, who married Elizabeth Johnson, dau. of Stanhope Johnson. this Stanhope Johnson was also sur. at the marriage of Elisha Pace and Patsy Johnson, dau,of Tho,Johnson From Goochland Co. Va Birth Register Stanhope Johnson b. Feb 27, 1758 baptized A pril 25, 1758 parents Daniel Johnson and Jean Woodie I have looked and looked for Jean Woodie, Did she come from England.?? Any Descendents from Stanhope Johnson, Pendleton Pace? Since I have a Pace, Robinson, Johnson connection in Va. looking for details about these people. Here are some burials in Ridge Park Cemetery , Saline County, Missouri William Ben R. Pace b. 26 Mar 1852 d. 2 Mar 1926 parents John and Henrietta Pace wife, Mary F. Pace Mary Jane Leaton Pace b. 15 Nov. 1859 d.15 Aug. 1956 Parents; William adn Lucinda Davis Leston Hus. W.B.R. George Wilson Pace b. 3 April 1883 d. 11 April 1963 parents: Martin W. and Rose Ann Leaton Pace wife: Elizabeth Custer Pace Elmire Llynn Pace b. 7 Oct. 1880 d. 10 april 1963 Parents: Sam and Mary A lberry Parker Husband: Thomas Pace
Lois Long Carey wrote: > I heard someone on T.V say that the double L's usually > indicate a source from Wales. Yes, I think the double L is pronounced as 'th' There are many surnames that could be considered Welsh, some are Davis, Davies, Williams, Morgan & Jones of course, Cadwalladar, Lewis, to name just a few. > > Are there any Paces out there with a definite connection > to Wales?? or Llewellyns Yes, my SHROPSHIRE PACE ancestry borders on Wales, they call these bordering counties, the "Welsh marches". Welsh surnames are found in Shropshire families. One of the Rootsweb lists I'm subscribed to is called MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com because it deals with the middle of the Marches, namely Shropshire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire, Gloucestershire, basically much of the Midlands of England that includes Worcestershire, Staffordshire, Cheshire. This WELSH border was not always clearly defined or adheared to. People would walk to church from their home which was in Shropshire to the church in Wales, etc. The border was an imaginary thing. > There was a story in my family that three brothers > came from Wales. > My grandfather had a brother born about 1846 whose > name was James Llewellyn Pace. > He was the son of John R.Pace b. 1809 and > Elizabeth?? ( I have recently found that she may > be an Elizabeth Lane) dau. of William S. Lane > and Nancy Haden of Fluvanna. > Lanes, Paces, and Hadens were all neighbors > in Fluvanna. > > I did a little search and found a > Thomas Llewellyn and Mary Newton > Ma.6 Jan. 1791 at St. Matthew, Walsall, Staffordshire > Issue:John 1792,William 1801,Thomas 1802, > Samuel 1803, Keziah 1805, Phebe 1808 St. Matthew, Walsall is where my grandparents married in 1898 and many of my ancestors. It is to the north west of the city of Birmingham, actually on the outskirts. In the records, you might see Walsall or Walsall Foreign, another way of saying, outlying districts. Another Pace Society member, Darrell Pace of Charlotte NC, joined last year. He had discovered his ancestry may go back to Bloxwich or Walsall. I lost his email address in the switch from W98 to XP. Does anyone have his address? His DNA did not match mine but that is not important as his ancestor lived in a decade when there were a lot of deaths in my family and others in the Midlands of England, around the year 1770 and in such case, family is often absorbed into related family. DNA continuity could be broken in such cases, so I'd certainly not give up on relationship. When I was brought to Canada and dropped off and lived with several families, my name was changed so the relatives would not have to pay the educational taxes. During the depression, people kept quiet about 'things' and did what they could. It was the way of life. I went through this several times, not something I care to talk about but people were not that affluent but recognized family members and did what they could during times like the depression, war. So when DNA does not match when it is hoped it should, keep these facts in mind and please understand some facts of life. If my parents were killed in the war, I would have another surname, not Pace, as I was brought up by relatives of another surname. Perhaps in later life, I would not have known my true identity. If you had seen the recent movie the Chronicles of Narnia, where the bombs were dropping and kids were shipped out of cities, I was in that and called Gordon after the surname of the nurse that looked after us when the hospital was bombed. My mother went back to England, where my father worked in the war effort for Vickers Aircraft, Spitfires, Hurricanes at Castle Bromwich. Anyway, enough of this, my story is one of many, I'm sure. I feel it's important to explain why some DNA missmatches do not tell the complete story. When DNA does match over several generations of marriages, and descendency, etc. it is nothing short of amazing, of course, but do not forget the cold hard facts of life that some of our ancestors had to live through. GTPace
I heard someone on T.V say that the double L's usually indicate a source from Wales. Are there any Paces out there with a definite connection to Wales?? or Llewellyns There was a story in my family that three brothers came from Wales. My grandfather had a brother born about 1846 whose name was James Llewellyn Pace. He was the son of John R.Pace b. 1809 and Elizabeth?? ( I have recently found that she may be an Elizabeth Lane) dau. of William S. Lane and Nancy Haden of Fluvanna. Lanes, Paces, and Hadens were all neighbors in Fluvanna. I did a little search and found a Thomas Llewellyn and Mary Newton Ma.6 Jan. 1791 at St. Matthew, Walsall, Staffordshire Issue:John 1792,William 1801,Thomas 1802, Samuel 1803, Keziah 1805, Phebe 1808
Westminster,St Clement Danes,C041601/2/3,M035243 Westminster,St Clement Danes,,M041601/3 If anyone needs the LDS Batch Numbers for London Churches, to search on the LDS FamilySearch.org site I have several dozen of the numbers for Christenings & marriages Perhaps it would be beneficial for PACE researchers to have access to these batch numbers for the London churches. I could post them to the list if anyone would like them. By searching these PR's, many of the Christenings, mentioning father, sometimes mother also included, the actual PACE family members can be realized. GTPace Betty A. Pace wrote: > Hi, > I have heard that she might be descended from a Smythe fellow who was a > big-wig in one of the funding companies for Jamestown, not the same as > Capt. John Smith, whose father was a George by the way. > > It doesn't seem that anyone has really made an effort to track down > Isabel's roots, maybe because the name Smith/Smythe was too common. Or, > like with a lot of genealogy research, the preference seems to be toward > tracing the male line, forgetting the two share equally in the > descendants. If Paces are descended from Richard I, we are also > descended from Isabel. > > Betty Pace > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:58:48 EDT BetinFL@aol.com writes: > Hi, If you find out anything about Isabel Smythe Pace's, parents or who > she was related to, I would appreciate it if you would let me know. I > also descend from her. I have heard that she was a relative or some such > of John Smith, since she had the money to pay her own passage to > Jamestowne and as such got her own land Grant. Have you read this or > heard this, and if so, do you know the source? > Best regards, > Betty Morgan > BetinFL@aol.com > > ==== PACE Mailing List ====
Roy, Was it also Leatha Betts who originally discovered a Richard Pace in Kingston upon Thames parish register? If so, I would like to mention credit to her on the web page I made up, a few years ago, which shows this Richard Pace in Kingston PR. and his likely parents marriage, the year before. http://www.phc.igs.net/~gordpace/uk/kingston.htm Richard PAYSE + Spouse: Anne BROWNE Marriage 15 Jun 1579 KINGSTON upon Thames, Surrey LDS - M015493 Richard PACE Christening: 24 Aug 1580 KINGSTON Upon Thames, Surrey LDS - P015491 Possibly RICHARD of JAMESTOWN GTPace ------ Roy Johnson wrote: > No research has been done because no record has been found of who either of > their parents were. > > On the Pace Network there is an article and speculation, as follows: > > Who were the ancestors of Richard and Isabella? They have not been > discovered for certain, but Leatha Betts offers the following possibilities: > > For Isabella--here's a possibility: > > ENGLISH ADVENTURERS AND EMIGRANTS, 1609-1660 by Peter Wilson Coldham, Publ. > Baltimore, 1984 p. 21, Wife of William Perry, Izabell (Widow of Richard > Pace) 26 Aug 1629 mentions she is aged 40. (Amended land patent date 26 Aug > 1627.) Therefore, she would have been born between September 1588 and > August, 1589, if this is an exact age. > > Pub. Registers of England Christening Isabell Smyth, father John Smyth, St. > Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England 4 May 1587. > > According to the birth date, this would make her 42 in 1629, which is pretty > close. Folks didn't always give their exact date. The parish of St. Clement > Danes is on the west side of London, near Westminster (see map) probably no > more than 3 miles from Wapping. > > For Richard--here's a Richard Pace about the right age, but no proof it is > the same one: > > Par Registers of England, Christenings, Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey, > England 24 Aug 1580, father Richard Pace. > > Leatha doesn't say, but the baby was obviously a Richard Pace also and is a > candidate for being "our" Richard. This would make him 7 years older than > Isabell if she is Isabell of St. Clement Danes. > > The URL for this and other interesting information is: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/jtown.htm > > But why not visit the Pace Network and scroll down? You will be surprised > at the articles: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/ > > In the records that I have seen of London area at the time of Richard, I > have seen very few Georges. > > There have been some attempts to link him to this Richard Pace: (From the > Pace Network) > > Richard Pace, who in 1591 held a close in West Ham, across the river Lea > from Wapping (where Richard of Jamestown lived) and Stepney (where he was > married). A "close" is a short street leading to a building of note, such > as an abbey or manor, with the buildings on both sides. The close was called > "Wellfield" and was in the Abbey Marsh section of West Ham. (The date is > right as Richard was born probably c. 1585) > > For the entire article see: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/documnts/dr-pace.htm > > But all of these are just speculation. No documents have been found > regarding either of their parents. > > Roy Johnson
Roy Johnson wrote: > > Pub. Registers of England Christening Isabell Smyth, father John Smyth, St. > Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England 4 May 1587. If anyone wants to look up Smythe; LDS batch numbers for St Clement Danes Westminster,St Clement Danes,C041601/2/3, M035243 Westminster,St Clement Danes,,M041601/3 GTPace
I would like to point out a collection of web pages, the subject of which is Smith/Smythe families in Medieval England. Therein you will find a web page targeting Captain John Smith of Jamestown. There you will find more information on said Smith than you might want. Go to http://www.zipworld.com.au/~lnbdds/home/smythcaptjohn.htm Other web pages are linked to this one, or you can go to www.google.com and search Voyages in Time together with Smythe. Also, I believe it is reasonable to assume that the family of Isabel Smythe was connected with London. Furthermore, it is possible that her family was associated with one of the cities Guilds that backed the Virginia Company. Such an association might help to explain Richard and Elizabeths motivation in moving to Jamestown. Betty Pace wrote: I know that the movie "The New World" was not especially accurate regarding Capt. John Smith and the early days of Jamestown. There is a book which claims to present the salient and truthful facts about John Smith and his role before, during and after the Jamestown colony. I can't determine whether it has flaws of scholarship, but it is very readable and does seem to give good background to the colony in the days of Richard & Isabel. "Captain John Smith: Jamestown and the Birth of the American Dream." by Dorothy & Thomas Hoobler. Pub'd 2006 by John Wiley & Sons. The dustcover credits the authors with other notable books on history, some award-winning, especially the series on "The American Family Albums," dealing with the cultures of various American ethnic and racial groups. Betty Pace --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.
Hi everyone Does anyone have any information on Francis Pace and Mariah Griggs /or on any of his family, I think I'm correct in saying that he was married 3 time but I'm not sure to whom and when. Not sure who the Mother is of there children. Need help. Wesley H. Pace Abt 1836 and his wife James Ira Pace Abt. 1837 and his wife George E. Pace No info at all Eliza F. Pace No info at all Catherine Pace No info at all Susan C. Pace Abt 1844 Virginia Mary L Pace Abt 1849 And Francis Pace married to Eleanor Burton. He was born Oct 9, 1826 Virginia. Would appreciate any help that any one can give me on this family. Thanking you in advance. Geraldine Pace dpace2@kc.rr.com
No research has been done because no record has been found of who either of their parents were. On the Pace Network there is an article and speculation, as follows: Who were the ancestors of Richard and Isabella? They have not been discovered for certain, but Leatha Betts offers the following possibilities: For Isabella--here's a possibility: ENGLISH ADVENTURERS AND EMIGRANTS, 1609-1660 by Peter Wilson Coldham, Publ. Baltimore, 1984 p. 21, Wife of William Perry, Izabell (Widow of Richard Pace) 26 Aug 1629 mentions she is aged 40. (Amended land patent date 26 Aug 1627.) Therefore, she would have been born between September 1588 and August, 1589, if this is an exact age. Pub. Registers of England Christening Isabell Smyth, father John Smyth, St. Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England 4 May 1587. According to the birth date, this would make her 42 in 1629, which is pretty close. Folks didn't always give their exact date. The parish of St. Clement Danes is on the west side of London, near Westminster (see map) probably no more than 3 miles from Wapping. For Richard--here's a Richard Pace about the right age, but no proof it is the same one: Par Registers of England, Christenings, Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey, England 24 Aug 1580, father Richard Pace. Leatha doesn't say, but the baby was obviously a Richard Pace also and is a candidate for being "our" Richard. This would make him 7 years older than Isabell if she is Isabell of St. Clement Danes. The URL for this and other interesting information is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/jtown.htm But why not visit the Pace Network and scroll down? You will be surprised at the articles: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/ In the records that I have seen of London area at the time of Richard, I have seen very few Georges. There have been some attempts to link him to this Richard Pace: (From the Pace Network) Richard Pace, who in 1591 held a close in West Ham, across the river Lea from Wapping (where Richard of Jamestown lived) and Stepney (where he was married). A "close" is a short street leading to a building of note, such as an abbey or manor, with the buildings on both sides. The close was called "Wellfield" and was in the Abbey Marsh section of West Ham. (The date is right as Richard was born probably c. 1585) For the entire article see: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/documnts/dr-pace.htm But all of these are just speculation. No documents have been found regarding either of their parents. Roy Johnson -----Original Message----- From: Betty A. Pace [mailto:bapace2@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:41 AM To: PACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACE-L] Isabel Smythe Has any definitive research been done on the parents of Isabel Smythe? I know from researching my mother's English-Welsh family that English people most often followed a naming pattern for their children. That suggests that either the father of Richard I or the father of Isabel was a George, thus accounting for the name of their first son. Also generally English people married in the home parish of the bride. Betty Pace ==== PACE Mailing List ==== Be sure to check the Pace Family Genealogy Forum at http://genforum.com/pace/ and the Pace Network at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace
Hi, I have heard that she might be descended from a Smythe fellow who was a big-wig in one of the funding companies for Jamestown, not the same as Capt. John Smith, whose father was a George by the way. It doesn't seem that anyone has really made an effort to track down Isabel's roots, maybe because the name Smith/Smythe was too common. Or, like with a lot of genealogy research, the preference seems to be toward tracing the male line, forgetting the two share equally in the descendants. If Paces are descended from Richard I, we are also descended from Isabel. Betty Pace On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:58:48 EDT BetinFL@aol.com writes: Hi, If you find out anything about Isabel Smythe Pace's, parents or who she was related to, I would appreciate it if you would let me know. I also descend from her. I have heard that she was a relative or some such of John Smith, since she had the money to pay her own passage to Jamestowne and as such got her own land Grant. Have you read this or heard this, and if so, do you know the source? Best regards, Betty Morgan BetinFL@aol.com